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On September 22 2012 04:20 Wabbit wrote:
(I won't be posting a full Canadian build recommendation, but this question should be relevant)
Are you sure it's the Q9550 that's holding you back in gaming? You mentioned you don't need a video card...what do you have now? Q9550 is still pretty decent and should only experience painful slowdowns in very few games like SC2.
For Adobe CS6 the CPU upgrade will yield massive benefits, though.
I would personally also consider overclocking (assuming you have a decent motherboard), but that's not guaranteed and might yield only ~20-30% improved performance at best.
Yea, as for Sc2, it's running ok, but also not quite the priority right now. When it comes to Adobe CS6, it's quite painful, and it takes forever just to render vector files. I guess the major would lean more towards CS6
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On September 21 2012 22:34 Rollin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 22:25 Medrea wrote:
Dont SLI with 660's, that would be pretty pointless. Do you mean because of the memory bandwidth issues on the 600 series, or because it's not a flagship card, or both?
It's not a flagship. Having two 680's and being relegated to one 680 won't feel terrible, but going from two 660's to one 660 means your going to feel the heat in the FPS sooner rather than later, and then youll wonder why you bought a fancy PSU, motherbard, and another GPU.
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On September 22 2012 04:39 apm66 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 22 2012 04:20 Wabbit wrote:
(I won't be posting a full Canadian build recommendation, but this question should be relevant)
Are you sure it's the Q9550 that's holding you back in gaming? You mentioned you don't need a video card...what do you have now? Q9550 is still pretty decent and should only experience painful slowdowns in very few games like SC2.
For Adobe CS6 the CPU upgrade will yield massive benefits, though.
I would personally also consider overclocking (assuming you have a decent motherboard), but that's not guaranteed and might yield only ~20-30% improved performance at best. Yea, as for Sc2, it's running ok, but also not quite the priority right now. When it comes to Adobe CS6, it's quite painful, and it takes forever just to render vector files. I guess the major would lean more towards CS6
I should also mention that being inexperienced with software suites like CS6, I'm not sure how important I/O storage speed is - basically, if everything is not in memory or if the software somehow constantly reads/writes from disk, that could potentially be a major bottleneck and something like extra RAM would help more (maybe for a RAM disk? idk) - and maybe an SSD too for loading stuff fast, though I'm not sure about using an SSD as a scratch disk if you're doing many GB of writes per day (could deteriorate faster, but would probably still last a good 3-5yrs if you get a drive with the higher quality NAND)
Some more experienced people should chime in here and correct me (feel free to insult me also).
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On September 22 2012 03:52 apm66 wrote:
I've been running a Q9550 for quite some time now and it's not able to sustain the latest games anymore, and cannot handle Adobe CS6 (illustrator/photoshop) very well, which is really important.
What is your budget?
800-900CAN .If not enough, please suggest new budget. (Sounds like it's not going to be enough)
What is your resolution?
1920x1080
What are you using it for?
For editing large amount of photos with Lightroom, Graphic design(Adobe Illustrator/Photoshop/Indesign) and Streaming
What is your upgrade cycle?
Every 4 years or so
When do you plan on building it?
ASAP!
Do you plan on overclocking?
No idea. Will it benefit me? What's your take on that?
Do you need an Operating System?
NaDa.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
NaDa
Where are you buying your parts from?
So, Canadacomputers and ncix
Note: I do not require dvddrive, sound card, graphic card, keyboard, mouse, monitors.
Thanks guys!
I feel like all the deals are shit this week:
Antec Neo Eco 450C - $35
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&promoid=1265
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB - $70
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=74462&promoid=1265
Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 - $200-20MIR
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=69494&promoid=1265
Intel Core i5 3570K - $220
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70541&promoid=1265
MSI Z77A-G43 ATX - $100-20MIR
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=69230&promoid=1360
Bitfenix Merc Alpha - $35
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=63256&promoid=1265
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo - $30 or if you dont hate MIR http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=53611&vpn=CAFA50&manufacture=Corsair&promoid=1265
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=64385&promoid=1265
Kingston KHX1600C10D3B1K2/16G 16GB Kit 2X8GB - $73
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70944&promoid=1265
$562.93 + $5 shipping + taxes - MIR
You can always get a nicer case and keep it for a few builds, getting a better gpu if you are looking to play games in the future at max settings or upgrade the cpu to an i7-3770k for better streaming and cs6
Keep in mind that I dont know too much about cs6 (would probably be better if you had a professional videocard vs the gaming one I suggested for cs6) and the other editing programs.
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I'm thinking about buying a new computer because I want to start streaming. Here's the thing, graphics mean nothing to me. Currently I'm using a 2.7 ghz dual core with an integrated graphics card and get 60 fps just fine on low settings and 1024x768 (this is my preferred setup and would play on this even if I had a high end comp)
Is streaming affected by a GPU at all? If I just bought a computer with a quad core i5 or i7 and integrated graphics/low end card would I be happy with my results?
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No streaming isn't affected by the GPU at all.
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I guess it would work but its nowhere near perfect. I don't see any reason why anyone purchasing a desktop would have an IGP as their GPU though. Would you be willing to build a computer instead? You'd get better parts and at a cheaper price as well.
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On September 22 2012 07:23 Sovano wrote:I guess it would work but its nowhere near perfect. I don't see any reason why anyone purchasing a desktop would have an IGP as their GPU though. Would you be willing to build a computer instead? You'd get better parts and at a cheaper price as well.
The ezpay system is what makes me want to get this one. $150 a month with no credit card or strings attatched. Also, this is the only game I ever play or will ever play (at least on pc) and I prefer the low settings so no need for a gpu yea?
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Given that it's 1024x768, I'd consider just getting an i5.
You can find similar computers with an Ivy Bridge i5 for around $500. I'm not sure about financing.
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On September 22 2012 06:24 Ata wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 03:52 apm66 wrote:
I've been running a Q9550 for quite some time now and it's not able to sustain the latest games anymore, and cannot handle Adobe CS6 (illustrator/photoshop) very well, which is really important.
What is your budget?
800-900CAN .If not enough, please suggest new budget. (Sounds like it's not going to be enough)
What is your resolution?
1920x1080
What are you using it for?
For editing large amount of photos with Lightroom, Graphic design(Adobe Illustrator/Photoshop/Indesign) and Streaming
What is your upgrade cycle?
Every 4 years or so
When do you plan on building it?
ASAP!
Do you plan on overclocking?
No idea. Will it benefit me? What's your take on that?
Do you need an Operating System?
NaDa.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
NaDa
Where are you buying your parts from?
So, Canadacomputers and ncix
Note: I do not require dvddrive, sound card, graphic card, keyboard, mouse, monitors.
Thanks guys! + Show Spoiler +
I've have modified what was given to me (Above)
650W - $70
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=35456&vpn=OCZ700MXSP&manufacture=OCZ Technology&promoid=1265
i5 3570k -$ 220
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70541&vpn=BX80637I53570K&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1265
mboard - $150
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70263&vpn=GA-Z77X-UD3H&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1265
case - $120
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62758&promoid=1360
Corsair h100 - $110
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61380&vpn=CWCH100&manufacture=Corsair&promoid=1360
8gb ram - $50
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=64473&vpn=CMZ8GX3M1A1600C10&manufacture=Corsair
HDD - 70
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65701&promoid=1265
Total $791
Please let me know how this looks and if everything balances well. Thanks!
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If I'm reading this correctly, you're paying more to downgrade with a nice case and an overpriced closed loop liquid cooler.
Actual specs are slightly worse, the H100 is kind of a silly place for cooling, high end air is a better deal, if you actually need more might as well bump to a full custom loop.
You're mostly paying more to upgrade in places that don't make major performance differences for most users.
Case I can't argue with, PSU, meh, unless you have a need for modular, not worth it.
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Thank you very much
On September 22 2012 05:42 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 22:34 Rollin wrote:On September 21 2012 22:25 Medrea wrote:
Dont SLI with 660's, that would be pretty pointless. Do you mean because of the memory bandwidth issues on the 600 series, or because it's not a flagship card, or both? It's not a flagship. Having two 680's and being relegated to one 680 won't feel terrible, but going from two 660's to one 660 means your going to feel the heat in the FPS sooner rather than later, and then youll wonder why you bought a fancy PSU, motherbard, and another GPU.
what gpu would you recommend with the build?
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I have a friend in America looking for a computer build:
Budget: $1300 USD
Resolution: 1920x1080, but the monitor will need to be purchased.
Using it for: He'll be using it for streaming (console, computer), gaming; Games what will be played include: StarCraft 2, Diablo 3, Witcher 2, Borderlands 2
Upgrade cycle: 2 years Graphics Card, 3 Years CPU
Building it: The next 2-3 days
Overclock: No
OS: No
2nd GPU/SLI/Crossfire: No
Thanks!
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On September 22 2012 11:54 apm66 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 06:24 Ata wrote:On September 22 2012 03:52 apm66 wrote:
I've been running a Q9550 for quite some time now and it's not able to sustain the latest games anymore, and cannot handle Adobe CS6 (illustrator/photoshop) very well, which is really important.
What is your budget?
800-900CAN .If not enough, please suggest new budget. (Sounds like it's not going to be enough)
What is your resolution?
1920x1080
What are you using it for?
For editing large amount of photos with Lightroom, Graphic design(Adobe Illustrator/Photoshop/Indesign) and Streaming
What is your upgrade cycle?
Every 4 years or so
When do you plan on building it?
ASAP!
Do you plan on overclocking?
No idea. Will it benefit me? What's your take on that?
Do you need an Operating System?
NaDa.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
NaDa
Where are you buying your parts from?
So, Canadacomputers and ncix
Note: I do not require dvddrive, sound card, graphic card, keyboard, mouse, monitors.
Thanks guys! + Show Spoiler + I've have modified what was given to me (Above) 650W - $70 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=35456&vpn=OCZ700MXSP&manufacture=OCZ Technology&promoid=1265i5 3570k -$ 220 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70541&vpn=BX80637I53570K&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1265mboard - $150 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70263&vpn=GA-Z77X-UD3H&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1265case - $120 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62758&promoid=1360Corsair h100 - $110 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61380&vpn=CWCH100&manufacture=Corsair&promoid=13608gb ram - $50 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=64473&vpn=CMZ8GX3M1A1600C10&manufacture=CorsairHDD - 70 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65701&promoid=1265Total $791 Please let me know how this looks and if everything balances well. Thanks!
You definitely dont want that ram if my understanding is correct. You want dual channel, you dont want heat-spreaders and you dont want to pay $50 for 8 gb Also, the reason I had recommended the 16 gb one was cause of the programs you use.
Someone else covered the rest.
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On September 22 2012 12:07 JingleHell wrote:
If I'm reading this correctly, you're paying more to downgrade with a nice case and an overpriced closed loop liquid cooler.
Actual specs are slightly worse, the H100 is kind of a silly place for cooling, high end air is a better deal, if you actually need more might as well bump to a full custom loop.
You're mostly paying more to upgrade in places that don't make major performance differences for most users.
Case I can't argue with, PSU, meh, unless you have a need for modular, not worth it.
I would be more than happy to hear what you could recommend for PSU. Thanks! 
I swapped H100 with http://ncix.com/products/?sku=42819&vpn=NH-U12P SE2&manufacture=Noctua
On September 22 2012 14:10 Ata wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 11:54 apm66 wrote:On September 22 2012 06:24 Ata wrote:On September 22 2012 03:52 apm66 wrote:
I've been running a Q9550 for quite some time now and it's not able to sustain the latest games anymore, and cannot handle Adobe CS6 (illustrator/photoshop) very well, which is really important.
What is your budget?
800-900CAN .If not enough, please suggest new budget. (Sounds like it's not going to be enough)
What is your resolution?
1920x1080
What are you using it for?
For editing large amount of photos with Lightroom, Graphic design(Adobe Illustrator/Photoshop/Indesign) and Streaming
What is your upgrade cycle?
Every 4 years or so
When do you plan on building it?
ASAP!
Do you plan on overclocking?
No idea. Will it benefit me? What's your take on that?
Do you need an Operating System?
NaDa.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
NaDa
Where are you buying your parts from?
So, Canadacomputers and ncix
Note: I do not require dvddrive, sound card, graphic card, keyboard, mouse, monitors.
Thanks guys! + Show Spoiler + I've have modified what was given to me (Above) 650W - $70 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=35456&vpn=OCZ700MXSP&manufacture=OCZ Technology&promoid=1265i5 3570k -$ 220 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70541&vpn=BX80637I53570K&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1265mboard - $150 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70263&vpn=GA-Z77X-UD3H&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1265case - $120 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62758&promoid=1360Corsair h100 - $110 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61380&vpn=CWCH100&manufacture=Corsair&promoid=13608gb ram - $50 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=64473&vpn=CMZ8GX3M1A1600C10&manufacture=CorsairHDD - 70 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65701&promoid=1265Total $791 Please let me know how this looks and if everything balances well. Thanks! You definitely dont want that ram if my understanding is correct. You want dual channel, you dont want heat-spreaders and you dont want to pay $50 for 8 gb Also, the reason I had recommended the 16 gb one was cause of the programs you use. Someone else covered the rest.
I completely forgot that LR and PS were 64bits programs! Swapped back to what you suggested for ram
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On September 22 2012 21:12 apm66 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 12:07 JingleHell wrote:
If I'm reading this correctly, you're paying more to downgrade with a nice case and an overpriced closed loop liquid cooler.
Actual specs are slightly worse, the H100 is kind of a silly place for cooling, high end air is a better deal, if you actually need more might as well bump to a full custom loop.
You're mostly paying more to upgrade in places that don't make major performance differences for most users.
Case I can't argue with, PSU, meh, unless you have a need for modular, not worth it. I would be more than happy to hear what you could recommend for PSU. Thanks! I swapped H100 with http://ncix.com/products/?sku=42819&vpn=NH-U12P SE2&manufacture=NoctuaShow nested quote +On September 22 2012 14:10 Ata wrote:On September 22 2012 11:54 apm66 wrote:On September 22 2012 06:24 Ata wrote:On September 22 2012 03:52 apm66 wrote:
I've been running a Q9550 for quite some time now and it's not able to sustain the latest games anymore, and cannot handle Adobe CS6 (illustrator/photoshop) very well, which is really important.
What is your budget?
800-900CAN .If not enough, please suggest new budget. (Sounds like it's not going to be enough)
What is your resolution?
1920x1080
What are you using it for?
For editing large amount of photos with Lightroom, Graphic design(Adobe Illustrator/Photoshop/Indesign) and Streaming
What is your upgrade cycle?
Every 4 years or so
When do you plan on building it?
ASAP!
Do you plan on overclocking?
No idea. Will it benefit me? What's your take on that?
Do you need an Operating System?
NaDa.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
NaDa
Where are you buying your parts from?
So, Canadacomputers and ncix
Note: I do not require dvddrive, sound card, graphic card, keyboard, mouse, monitors.
Thanks guys! + Show Spoiler + I've have modified what was given to me (Above) 650W - $70 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=35456&vpn=OCZ700MXSP&manufacture=OCZ Technology&promoid=1265i5 3570k -$ 220 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70541&vpn=BX80637I53570K&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1265mboard - $150 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70263&vpn=GA-Z77X-UD3H&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1265case - $120 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62758&promoid=1360Corsair h100 - $110 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61380&vpn=CWCH100&manufacture=Corsair&promoid=13608gb ram - $50 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=64473&vpn=CMZ8GX3M1A1600C10&manufacture=CorsairHDD - 70 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65701&promoid=1265Total $791 Please let me know how this looks and if everything balances well. Thanks! You definitely dont want that ram if my understanding is correct. You want dual channel, you dont want heat-spreaders and you dont want to pay $50 for 8 gb Also, the reason I had recommended the 16 gb one was cause of the programs you use. Someone else covered the rest. I completely forgot that LR and PS were 64bits programs! Swapped back to what you suggested for ram
The Neo Eco you already had suggested is fine unless you plan to do multiple GPUs or some truly absurd stuff. The 450.
The Noctua cooler is probably still overkill unless you want to OC your CPU to the absolute max of where it can go on air cooling, but at least it's a better choice than an H100.
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How much better is a Radeon 7850 compared to a 6850? I want Sc2 and GW2 on Medium/high settings.
Thanks
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On September 23 2012 04:30 bigbry1995 wrote:How much better is a Radeon 7850 compared to a 6850? I want Sc2 and GW2 on Medium/high settings. Thanks
About 50% faster?
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=539
What screen resolution? What kind of fps? HD 6850 should be enough for SC2 on high (ultra) and GW2 on medium/high already. With a slower CPU, you'll have issues with both. What are you using?
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Well right now I'm running a piece of crap 5570, but I was just curious if I should spend the extra 30 bucks or so on the 7850. I have an i7-860 or something, not the best but it should be plenty for those games I think.
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