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I read online that it is recommended to not use the adaptor if you can upgrade your PSU instead. I shall buy this one you recommend instead.
Cheers!
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On September 19 2012 09:59 YouthSC wrote:I read online that it is recommended to not use the adaptor if you can upgrade your PSU instead. I shall buy this one you recommend instead. Cheers!
I'll give you a bit of food for thought. I use two of the adapters. I've done full stress testing using them in separate cards, and both in the same one. They don't affect stability at crazy loads, assuming you have a decent PSU, even in SLI rigs.
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If you're buying a new computer entirely, then sure, you can spend a little extra and get a power supply with the necessary connectors. The extra cost there is a small fraction of the total build cost. I mean, it's a little safer, and people who care about aesthetics (which is most of those saying that you should upgrade) would say it looks neater. Occasionally some of those adapters come loose, maybe because somebody put too much stress on it or didn't really secure it. If it comes loose under load, bad things happen.
I don't think it's a big deal, anyhow. Do as you please. If spending money unnecessarily (maybe irrationally) gives peace of mind or whatever else, then go for it.
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Hi all,
I just went to university away from my home country and want to build a new PC here in Scotland. I thought it'd be sinch, but I actually found myself at a loss after about a week of searching, so I realized you are my only hope, my Obi Wan team if you will.
What is your budget?
I have a limit of £550 which is about $870 for the PC itself
What is your resolution?
I am buying a new monitor as well and it is most probably going to be 1680 × 1050 or 1920x1080 depending on what I find.
What are you using it for?
I need it pretty much for gaming purposes only. I play DotA 2, Diablo 3, the occasional Starcraft II and experiment with various MMORPGs.
What is your upgrade cycle?
Around 4 years
When do you plan on building it?
Considering I need a PC for uni, I guess I have to start building it as soon as possible.
Do you plan on overclocking?
At least not in the first 12-18 months
Do you need an Operating System?
No
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Same as overclocking, so 12-18 months later at the earliest.
Where are you buying your parts from?
I am not at all knowledgable of the pc market around here as I arrived very recently.
I appreciate any advice given, so thanks beforehand.
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On September 20 2012 01:34 Darks0le wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hi all,
I just went to university away from my home country and want to build a new PC here in Scotland. I thought it'd be sinch, but I actually found myself at a loss after about a week of searching, so I realized you are my only hope, my Obi Wan team if you will.
What is your budget?
I have a limit of £550 which is about $870 for the PC itself
What is your resolution?
I am buying a new monitor as well and it is most probably going to be 1680 × 1050 or 1920x1080 depending on what I find.
What are you using it for?
I need it pretty much for gaming purposes only. I play DotA 2, Diablo 3, the occasional Starcraft II and experiment with various MMORPGs.
What is your upgrade cycle?
Around 4 years
When do you plan on building it?
Considering I need a PC for uni, I guess I have to start building it as soon as possible.
Do you plan on overclocking?
At least not in the first 12-18 months
Do you need an Operating System?
No
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Same as overclocking, so 12-18 months later at the earliest.
Where are you buying your parts from?
I am not at all knowledgable of the pc market around here as I arrived very recently.
I appreciate any advice given, so thanks beforehand.
Your budget is not terribly large, so we won't be getting a large monitor or anything like that (although it should be quality).
Here's what I recommend (I didn't check all the UK sites, but these seemed to work out):
Core Components: 153 pounds
Pentium g2120 - 72
MSI B75 matx mobo - 48
2x4gb 1333mhz RAM- 33
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Video Card: 91 pounds
Gigabyte 7770
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-gigabyte-gv-r777oc-1gd-rev20-hd7770-atx-graphics-card
Monitor: 111 pounds
Asus VS229H
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-VS229H-Widescreen-Monitor-Headphone/dp/B005HIRFYO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348074094&sr=8-1
Edit: When in doubt on monitors, take WomWomWom's advice. (See below.)
Supporting Components: 133 pounds
Bit Fenix Merc Beta Case - 33
XFX Core 450w PSU - 37 (this may be out of stock when you order, you can try ebuyer.com for it as well)
Hitachi 500gb HDD - 50
DVD-burner -13
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Peripherals (I assumed you didn't have these): 53 pounds
Mionix Naos 3200 - 37 For right handers, one of the best comfy-ergonomic & gaming mice out there. Worth the $.
Cheapo Logitech speakers - 9
Cheapo Microsoft keyboard - 7
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Total: 541 pounds, including tax, NOT including shipping.
If it turns out you didn't need peripherals, you could upgrade the processor to an i3-3220 (20 more pounds)
Another potential cost: USB wireless adapter if you are going to be connecting to a wireless router, ethernet cord if you're going to be using a wired connection.
The CPU cannot be overclocked, so no need to consider that. Also, SLI/Crossfire is way outside your budget. You can, however, overclock the 7770 somewhat if you desire to.
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Asus VS229H is a huge compromise. IPS yay, response nay. 14ms suggests no rtc at all.
Another option for a little bit more is the benq gw2450hm. I still have no idea if it's actually shit or not but signs point to good for the price.
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On September 20 2012 03:32 Womwomwom wrote:
Asus VS229H is a huge compromise. IPS yay, response nay. 14ms suggests no rtc at all.
Another option for a little bit more is the benq gw2450hm. I still have no idea if it's actually shit or not but signs point to good for the price.
Thanks for pointing that out. I actually don't know anything about the monitor other what what I saw in the monitor thread:
Asus VS229H-P (21.5" IPS monitor)
1920x1080 LED backlit IPS monitor. Has: HDMI , VGA, DVI, headphone jack. Ergonomic features: backwards/forwards tilt. VESA mount compatible: Yes.
- Typical IPS matte antiglare coating
- Low input lag
- Asus's trace-free overdrive control. Best results are typically 40 or 60. Try it out yourself to see which one you prefer the most.
- Generally priced very low at most common sources like Amazon and Newegg.
Does it not have low input lag, or do I have no idea what you mean by "14ms suggests no rtc at all?"
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I meant panel response not input lag. Rtc is response time compensation or overdrive - all fast monitors do some bullshit to decrease ghosting. That monitor from the monitor thread iis also the P version. Very confusing huh. Don't worry you should be confused.
I still haven't figured put how LG names their monitor lineups, most have shitty RTC and mess with black frame insertion. A few are actually decent and very cheap but what are they? If you can find a good one at a good price, then thats a decent budget option but fuck digging through dozens of monitors called shit like ips226v-ghsh and ips225f-asdf. People say Apple is good at marketing, well no they're not they're just good at making things easy for the consumer to understand. Fundamental difference.
I get off on monitors and I find it hard to remember these stupid product names and features that work/don't work so imagine how hard it is for someone who doesn't follow monitor tech religiously!
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Well, as always thanks for the education. I guess I'll stop recommending that monitor. 
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If you're going to recommend the monitor, make sure its the P version. That one is p much perfect but it's not sold on Amazon.co.uk for some reason (why? I dont know Asus doesn't want money I guess)
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hi guys,
i'm planning to buy a new pc, mostly for standard office/internet and occasional gaming (sc2, d3).
planned budget about 600 € only for hardware. wouldnt mind if goes up 50 bucks.
upgrade cycle is about 3 years.
no plans of overclocking etc.
I have currently a 19" monitor running on 1280x1024. maybe i will replace it within the next 6 months with a 23" monitor (not sure though)
Maybe i'll add an SSD later.. not important right now.
i found an offer on http://www.aletoware.de/products/aktuelle-Angebote/AW-System-i5-2400-HD77701.html
items listed below are slightly customized to the link above
CPU: INTEL Core i5 3450 (4x3.1GHz) (1x)
CPU cooler: Xigmatek Gaia SD1283 (1155, 2011, AM3, FM1) (1x)
RAM:4GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3 PC-1333 - 2x2048MB (1x)
Mainboard: ASUS P8H77-V LE Sockel 1155 (NEU!!!) (1x)
GPU: 1024MB NVIDIA Geforce GTS 450 (1x)
HDD: 500GB HDD (SATA-III, 7.200U/Min, 16MB Cache) (1x)
PSUl: 600W LC Power LC-6600 14cm (1x)
CASE: CoolerMaster Elite 330 Miditower (1x)
for € 587
what do you say? fair offer?
opinions are appreciated 
thx
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On September 20 2012 04:59 Derity wrote:+ Show Spoiler +hi guys, i'm planning to buy a new pc, mostly for standard office/internet and occasional gaming (sc2, d3). planned budget about 600 € only for hardware. wouldnt mind if goes up 50 bucks. upgrade cycle is about 3 years. no plans of overclocking etc. I have currently a 19" monitor running on 1280x1024. maybe i will replace it within the next 6 months with a 23" monitor (not sure though) Maybe i'll add an SSD later.. not important right now. i found an offer on http://www.aletoware.de/products/aktuelle-Angebote/AW-System-i5-2400-HD77701.htmlitems listed below are slightly customized to the link above CPU: INTEL Core i5 3450 (4x3.1GHz) (1x) CPU cooler: Xigmatek Gaia SD1283 (1155, 2011, AM3, FM1) (1x) RAM:4GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3 PC-1333 - 2x2048MB (1x) Mainboard: ASUS P8H77-V LE Sockel 1155 (NEU!!!) (1x) GPU: 1024MB NVIDIA Geforce GTS 450 (1x) HDD: 500GB HDD (SATA-III, 7.200U/Min, 16MB Cache) (1x) PSUl: 600W LC Power LC-6600 14cm (1x) CASE: CoolerMaster Elite 330 Miditower (1x) for € 587 what do you say? fair offer? opinions are appreciated thx
It's not a reasonable price.
Buying roughly similar components (no aftermarket cooler - unnecessary but maybe a little quieter - , smaller motherboard, but better case) brand new would be cheaper:
i5-3450 - 165 euro
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p790405_Intel-Core-i5-3450-4x-3-10GHz-So-1155-BOX.html
Asus B75 mATX mobo - 50
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p808116_Asus-P8B75-M-LX-Intel-B75-So-1155-Dual-Channel-DDR-mATX-Retail.html
Double the amount of RAM - 29
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p701016_8GB-G-Skill-NT-Series-DDR3-1333-DIMM-CL9-Dual-Kit.html
Bit Fenix Shinobi Case (white, comes in other colors)- 49
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p744298_BitFenix-Shinobi-Core-USB-3-0-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-weiss.html
450w Super Flower Amazon PSU - 43
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p632231_450-Watt-Super-Flower-Amazon-Non-Modular-80--Bronze.html
500gb Hitachi HDD - 50
Beige DVD-burner -16 (you didn't list a DVD-burner in the parts above)
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p636427_500GB-Hitachi-Deskstar-7K1000-C-HDS721050CLA362-16MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-3Gb-s.html
Total = 402.
Now I didn't include a video card, becuase the 450 above is pretty much terrible and not worth considering. If building new you'd want to include something with some genuine oomph
Probably the Zotac or Gigabyte 660 (200 euro):
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p812884_2048MB-Gigabyte-GeForce-GTX-660-OC-2xWindforce-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-.html
So I don't know much about aletoware.de ... if it's a used equipment site, then 350 euro or so would probably be fair for those components, then replace the 450 with a 660. If it's a pre-built kind of site, then 450 euro or so would be fair for the components you listed, but you wouldn't want to go for it, because you'd want to replace the gtx 450 with a 660, and then you'd be tossing away 50 euro anyway.
Now if aletoware.de is pre-built computer site and the computer comes with windows & other software included, then if you're not a student the price might be fair.
Make sense?
P.S. The parts list above works as a decent component selection for building on your own.
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For some reason it looks like a lot of Europe doesn't carry VS229H-P and VS239H-P, just VS229H and VS239H. In particular, I've noticed it for the UK. For that matter, I don't think the VS229H and VS239H are available in NA. The P makes the difference. wtf Asus.
For some reading material, this is what the overdrive ("trace free") setting does in general, for an IPS and then a TN monitor.
Pretty much all the cheap eIPS monitors are using pretty much the same panels from LG. Check the responsiveness of the Dell Ultrasharp compared to the Asus VS (non-P) for the 21.5" and 23.6" variants. The difference in the pixel response should be from whatever Dell is doing compared to whatever Asus is not doing on the non-P versions:
VS229H, U2212HM, VS239H, U2312HM
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On September 20 2012 05:25 MisterFred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 04:59 Derity wrote:+ Show Spoiler +hi guys, i'm planning to buy a new pc, mostly for standard office/internet and occasional gaming (sc2, d3). planned budget about 600 € only for hardware. wouldnt mind if goes up 50 bucks. upgrade cycle is about 3 years. no plans of overclocking etc. I have currently a 19" monitor running on 1280x1024. maybe i will replace it within the next 6 months with a 23" monitor (not sure though) Maybe i'll add an SSD later.. not important right now. i found an offer on http://www.aletoware.de/products/aktuelle-Angebote/AW-System-i5-2400-HD77701.htmlitems listed below are slightly customized to the link above CPU: INTEL Core i5 3450 (4x3.1GHz) (1x) CPU cooler: Xigmatek Gaia SD1283 (1155, 2011, AM3, FM1) (1x) RAM:4GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3 PC-1333 - 2x2048MB (1x) Mainboard: ASUS P8H77-V LE Sockel 1155 (NEU!!!) (1x) GPU: 1024MB NVIDIA Geforce GTS 450 (1x) HDD: 500GB HDD (SATA-III, 7.200U/Min, 16MB Cache) (1x) PSUl: 600W LC Power LC-6600 14cm (1x) CASE: CoolerMaster Elite 330 Miditower (1x) for € 587 what do you say? fair offer? opinions are appreciated thx It's not a reasonable price. Buying roughly similar components (no aftermarket cooler - unnecessary but maybe a little quieter - , smaller motherboard, but better case) brand new would be cheaper: i5-3450 - 165 euro http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p790405_Intel-Core-i5-3450-4x-3-10GHz-So-1155-BOX.htmlAsus B75 mATX mobo - 50 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p808116_Asus-P8B75-M-LX-Intel-B75-So-1155-Dual-Channel-DDR-mATX-Retail.htmlDouble the amount of RAM - 29 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p701016_8GB-G-Skill-NT-Series-DDR3-1333-DIMM-CL9-Dual-Kit.htmlBit Fenix Shinobi Case (white, comes in other colors)- 49 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p744298_BitFenix-Shinobi-Core-USB-3-0-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-weiss.html450w Super Flower Amazon PSU - 43 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p632231_450-Watt-Super-Flower-Amazon-Non-Modular-80--Bronze.html500gb Hitachi HDD - 50 Beige DVD-burner -16 (you didn't list a DVD-burner in the parts above) http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p636427_500GB-Hitachi-Deskstar-7K1000-C-HDS721050CLA362-16MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-3Gb-s.htmlTotal = 402. Now I didn't include a video card, becuase the 450 above is pretty much terrible and not worth considering. If building new you'd want to include something with some genuine oomph Probably the Zotac or Gigabyte 660 (200 euro): http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p812884_2048MB-Gigabyte-GeForce-GTX-660-OC-2xWindforce-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-.htmlSo I don't know much about aletoware.de ... if it's a used equipment site, then 350 euro or so would probably be fair for those components, then replace the 450 with a 660. If it's a pre-built kind of site, then 450 euro or so would be fair for the components you listed, but you wouldn't want to go for it, because you'd want to replace the gtx 450 with a 660, and then you'd be tossing away 50 euro anyway. Now if aletoware.de is pre-built computer site and the computer comes with windows & other software included, then if you're not a student the price might be fair. Make sense? P.S. The parts list above works as a decent component selection for building on your own.
thank you very much for your suggestions.
i already thought that i might want to replace the video card with sth more powerful and i could use a cheaper mobo
the pc from aletoware comes prebuild without software which isn't a problem for me (as a student i get it for free).
also i thought it would be nice to have pick up and repair service ...
i wasn't sure if i want to build it on my own.
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-Edit- Found some help. Thanks, though, looking forward to using this thread sometime in the future.
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From that mindfactory website there's an OC'ed Sapphire 7870 with a superior cooler on it for 20 euro more than the 660 previously linked.
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hey guys i have an intel based g2120 cpu and i was wondering if its compatible with the amd sapphire hd 7750 GPU?
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On September 20 2012 06:03 Derity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 05:25 MisterFred wrote:On September 20 2012 04:59 Derity wrote:+ Show Spoiler +hi guys, i'm planning to buy a new pc, mostly for standard office/internet and occasional gaming (sc2, d3). planned budget about 600 € only for hardware. wouldnt mind if goes up 50 bucks. upgrade cycle is about 3 years. no plans of overclocking etc. I have currently a 19" monitor running on 1280x1024. maybe i will replace it within the next 6 months with a 23" monitor (not sure though) Maybe i'll add an SSD later.. not important right now. i found an offer on http://www.aletoware.de/products/aktuelle-Angebote/AW-System-i5-2400-HD77701.htmlitems listed below are slightly customized to the link above CPU: INTEL Core i5 3450 (4x3.1GHz) (1x) CPU cooler: Xigmatek Gaia SD1283 (1155, 2011, AM3, FM1) (1x) RAM:4GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3 PC-1333 - 2x2048MB (1x) Mainboard: ASUS P8H77-V LE Sockel 1155 (NEU!!!) (1x) GPU: 1024MB NVIDIA Geforce GTS 450 (1x) HDD: 500GB HDD (SATA-III, 7.200U/Min, 16MB Cache) (1x) PSUl: 600W LC Power LC-6600 14cm (1x) CASE: CoolerMaster Elite 330 Miditower (1x) for € 587 what do you say? fair offer? opinions are appreciated thx It's not a reasonable price. Buying roughly similar components (no aftermarket cooler - unnecessary but maybe a little quieter - , smaller motherboard, but better case) brand new would be cheaper: i5-3450 - 165 euro http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p790405_Intel-Core-i5-3450-4x-3-10GHz-So-1155-BOX.htmlAsus B75 mATX mobo - 50 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p808116_Asus-P8B75-M-LX-Intel-B75-So-1155-Dual-Channel-DDR-mATX-Retail.htmlDouble the amount of RAM - 29 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p701016_8GB-G-Skill-NT-Series-DDR3-1333-DIMM-CL9-Dual-Kit.htmlBit Fenix Shinobi Case (white, comes in other colors)- 49 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p744298_BitFenix-Shinobi-Core-USB-3-0-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-weiss.html450w Super Flower Amazon PSU - 43 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p632231_450-Watt-Super-Flower-Amazon-Non-Modular-80--Bronze.html500gb Hitachi HDD - 50 Beige DVD-burner -16 (you didn't list a DVD-burner in the parts above) http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p636427_500GB-Hitachi-Deskstar-7K1000-C-HDS721050CLA362-16MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-3Gb-s.htmlTotal = 402. Now I didn't include a video card, becuase the 450 above is pretty much terrible and not worth considering. If building new you'd want to include something with some genuine oomph Probably the Zotac or Gigabyte 660 (200 euro): http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p812884_2048MB-Gigabyte-GeForce-GTX-660-OC-2xWindforce-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-.htmlSo I don't know much about aletoware.de ... if it's a used equipment site, then 350 euro or so would probably be fair for those components, then replace the 450 with a 660. If it's a pre-built kind of site, then 450 euro or so would be fair for the components you listed, but you wouldn't want to go for it, because you'd want to replace the gtx 450 with a 660, and then you'd be tossing away 50 euro anyway. Now if aletoware.de is pre-built computer site and the computer comes with windows & other software included, then if you're not a student the price might be fair. Make sense? P.S. The parts list above works as a decent component selection for building on your own. thank you very much for your suggestions. i already thought that i might want to replace the video card with sth more powerful and i could use a cheaper mobo the pc from aletoware comes prebuild without software which isn't a problem for me (as a student i get it for free). also i thought it would be nice to have pick up and repair service ... i wasn't sure if i want to build it on my own.
Well the main issue is that however you work it, buying a pre-buit is more expensive. So you won't be able to get as good a list of components for 600 euro (for instance, I bet if you plugged a 660 into aletoware's build, it comes to significantly more than 600 euro, probably 650-750 euro.
Building a computer is really, really easy if you watch a guide video first, can read directions, and have two working hands. So the real question is whether the increase in price/decrease in CPU or GPU quality is worth it to you to have whatever repair service aletoware offers (the individual parts will be covered by their own warranty if you buy on your own).
Edit: yeah, going through their configurator, an equivalent PC with a 660 comes to 780 euro... so that's a hefty 180 euro increase over building on your own.
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On September 20 2012 06:31 Nazty12 wrote:
hey guys i have an intel based g2120 cpu and i was wondering if its compatible with the amd sapphire hd 7750 GPU?
yes. Assuming your PSU can handle the additional load. (There's an outside chance that if you bought a bare-bones system with a g2120 and no video card, the PSU will be so bad it can't handle even the tiny demands of a 7750.)
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On September 20 2012 06:32 MisterFred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 06:03 Derity wrote:On September 20 2012 05:25 MisterFred wrote:On September 20 2012 04:59 Derity wrote:+ Show Spoiler +hi guys, i'm planning to buy a new pc, mostly for standard office/internet and occasional gaming (sc2, d3). planned budget about 600 € only for hardware. wouldnt mind if goes up 50 bucks. upgrade cycle is about 3 years. no plans of overclocking etc. I have currently a 19" monitor running on 1280x1024. maybe i will replace it within the next 6 months with a 23" monitor (not sure though) Maybe i'll add an SSD later.. not important right now. i found an offer on http://www.aletoware.de/products/aktuelle-Angebote/AW-System-i5-2400-HD77701.htmlitems listed below are slightly customized to the link above CPU: INTEL Core i5 3450 (4x3.1GHz) (1x) CPU cooler: Xigmatek Gaia SD1283 (1155, 2011, AM3, FM1) (1x) RAM:4GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3 PC-1333 - 2x2048MB (1x) Mainboard: ASUS P8H77-V LE Sockel 1155 (NEU!!!) (1x) GPU: 1024MB NVIDIA Geforce GTS 450 (1x) HDD: 500GB HDD (SATA-III, 7.200U/Min, 16MB Cache) (1x) PSUl: 600W LC Power LC-6600 14cm (1x) CASE: CoolerMaster Elite 330 Miditower (1x) for € 587 what do you say? fair offer? opinions are appreciated thx It's not a reasonable price. Buying roughly similar components (no aftermarket cooler - unnecessary but maybe a little quieter - , smaller motherboard, but better case) brand new would be cheaper: i5-3450 - 165 euro http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p790405_Intel-Core-i5-3450-4x-3-10GHz-So-1155-BOX.htmlAsus B75 mATX mobo - 50 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p808116_Asus-P8B75-M-LX-Intel-B75-So-1155-Dual-Channel-DDR-mATX-Retail.htmlDouble the amount of RAM - 29 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p701016_8GB-G-Skill-NT-Series-DDR3-1333-DIMM-CL9-Dual-Kit.htmlBit Fenix Shinobi Case (white, comes in other colors)- 49 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p744298_BitFenix-Shinobi-Core-USB-3-0-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-weiss.html450w Super Flower Amazon PSU - 43 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p632231_450-Watt-Super-Flower-Amazon-Non-Modular-80--Bronze.html500gb Hitachi HDD - 50 Beige DVD-burner -16 (you didn't list a DVD-burner in the parts above) http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p636427_500GB-Hitachi-Deskstar-7K1000-C-HDS721050CLA362-16MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-3Gb-s.htmlTotal = 402. Now I didn't include a video card, becuase the 450 above is pretty much terrible and not worth considering. If building new you'd want to include something with some genuine oomph Probably the Zotac or Gigabyte 660 (200 euro): http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p812884_2048MB-Gigabyte-GeForce-GTX-660-OC-2xWindforce-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-.htmlSo I don't know much about aletoware.de ... if it's a used equipment site, then 350 euro or so would probably be fair for those components, then replace the 450 with a 660. If it's a pre-built kind of site, then 450 euro or so would be fair for the components you listed, but you wouldn't want to go for it, because you'd want to replace the gtx 450 with a 660, and then you'd be tossing away 50 euro anyway. Now if aletoware.de is pre-built computer site and the computer comes with windows & other software included, then if you're not a student the price might be fair. Make sense? P.S. The parts list above works as a decent component selection for building on your own. thank you very much for your suggestions. i already thought that i might want to replace the video card with sth more powerful and i could use a cheaper mobo the pc from aletoware comes prebuild without software which isn't a problem for me (as a student i get it for free). also i thought it would be nice to have pick up and repair service ... i wasn't sure if i want to build it on my own. Well the main issue is that however you work it, buying a pre-buit is more expensive. So you won't be able to get as good a list of components for 600 euro (for instance, I bet if you plugged a 660 into aletoware's build, it comes to significantly more than 600 euro, probably 650-750 euro. Building a computer is really, really easy if you watch a guide video first, can read directions, and have two working hands. So the real question is whether the increase in price/decrease in CPU or GPU quality is worth it to you to have whatever repair service aletoware offers (the individual parts will be covered by their own warranty if you buy on your own). Edit: yeah, going through their configurator, an equivalent PC with a 660 comes to 780 euro... so that's a hefty 180 euro increase over building on your own.
thank you again,
but to keep this open...
i guess it would not hurt to spend about 10 bucks more to have a mobo in ATX format with a few more PCI slots?
the mobo you suggested doesn't have any space for extra cards.
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