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No actually, you're right. Its been a long time I've dealt with AMD processors. 70 degrees is normal for Intel processors.
A new case, provided your old case has air going in and air going out, is not really going to change things. If you want to improve temperatures, you want to either remount that heatsink or get a better aftermarket heatsink that fits your current case.
That being said, Phenom IIs run hot. AMD says that's the maximum temperature but it seems to be fairly common for it to run above that temperature. Assuming you haven't fucked around with power management, it should protect itself if its running extremely hot.
Not to lay it into you any further but that motherboard costs around $200. I mean for $50 more you could have upgraded to an Intel system...
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An intel g630 for 65 does better than some of amd's cpu's that are supposed to compete with intel's i5 series. If you're looking at phenoms or fx's it usually is going to make more sense to get an ivy/sandy intel anyways. If you're still looking to stay with amd I'd wait just a tad longer to see how this pans out:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-a6-5400k,3224.html
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On September 28 2012 08:24 9-BiT wrote:
Stream SC2 at ultra and max FPS? No. Max FPS for most monitors is 60, and no processor in the world can handle large army sizes onscreen in SC2 at 60fps let alone when streaming. Note that ultra is easy to do, the problem is AI & pathing calculations when hundreds of zerglings are streaming across creep. But that's not really your question.
Off topic, but why is sc2 so cpu intensive? Broodwar was a super old game that is easy to run on any modern computer. It doesn't seem like calculating things like units running across creep would be that tough to me.
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On September 29 2012 14:47 Infernal_dream wrote:
Them saying 70c is too hot is retarded. There's a reason the processor isn't underclocking itself at 70. Because it's perfectly fine running at them temperature. You get to 85/90 then you need to worry. Also, if you wanted to OC you wouldn't need a new case. You'd need a new heatsink.
Baka.
Too hot means a possibility of miscalculations and/or long time degeneration of the chip. It does not imply your house will burn down. The safety shutdown when the chip gets too hot is obviously higher, which is the temperature that will cause immediate short term damage on the chip (For my AMD chip it was when the core sensors were at at 102C FYI).
And the temperatures of each core being at 72 represents the chisel being around 62 which is what the value is referring to.
Also, Phenom II CPUs have defective temperature sensors, so you can't compare your value to someone else's anyway. How can you know your chip has good temperature sensors? The temperature readings should only be remotely accurate near TJMax.
But in either way your chip shouldn't run that hot, I think its just an issue of imperfect cooling, seeing as TF2 isn't even a taxing stress test. I'd imagine the temperatures would go way beyond 80C during linpack?
My 955 with H60 cooler only went over 70C in stresstests when I upped the voltages quite a bit.
If you're so concerned why don't you just get a real heatsink and stop whining?
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Off topic, but why is sc2 so cpu intensive? Broodwar was a super old game that is easy to run on any modern computer. It doesn't seem like calculating things like units running across creep would be that tough to me.
I don't really know.
But if I had to guess it has a lot to do with using sprites vs using 3d models & tile-based movement vs collision detection. A Broodwar unit is just a sprite on a tileset. There's not a whole heck of a lot to calculate. But units also moved pretty clunky. Go back and actually watch BW zerglings run around. It's... odd... once you're used to SC2 lings.
Then watch a pack of SC2 lings. Fluid motion. And they're actually a 3-D object that can move in relation to other units rather than in relation to a tileset. Is a tile open? The unit can move to it. Simple. Now take SC2 and you have all sorts of collision calculations, the upshot of which is that a unit can move at the same time other units around shift position. Upshot: fluid packs of zerglings running together. Stalkers that don't bug out and go crazy when the group stops moving in a straight line.
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Hey, I just moved to the US and left my computer in Germany. So I need a new one! I fell in love with the idea of building a small desktop. I plan to basically build the first one in http://www.anandtech.com/show/4348/small-form-factor-buyers-guide/4. The guide is however over a year old, so I would appreciate some comments on my plans.
What is your budget?
I want to stay below $1000.
What is your resolution?
1680x1050
What are you using it for?
It should run SC2 and Diablo 3 at high settings. It should also work for a few years for new titles, as I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon.
What is your upgrade cycle?
See above.
When do you plan on building it?
As soon as possible.
Do you plan on overclocking?
No.
Do you need an Operating System?
No.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg, wherever I can get stuff.
As this is my first time dealing with a very small case, I am scared to change any of the parts. I always fear stuff might not fit in the case. I have a screen, so I don't need to get one.
Case LIAN LI PC-Q08B $109.99
PSU Antec TruePower New TP-550 $116.26
Alternatively, Antec True Power ATX 550 $104.32. But this one has different measures so I am scared.
CPU Intel Core i5-2500K (4x3.3GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo, 8MB L3) $219.99
Motherboard ASUS P8H61-I $85.99
GPU ASUS EAH6850 DC/2DIS/1GD5/V2 Radeon HD 6850 $177.68. I feel like I should be able to safe some money here. This card seems a little over the top for my needs.
Memory Patriot 4GB (2x2GB) PSD34G1333K $29.99
DVDRW LITE-ON DS-8A5S $29.99
SSD OCZ Vertex 4 VTX4-25SAT3-256G 2.5" 256GB $199.99
Overall 962.60 + shipping
Thank you for help. I appreciate it!
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I am working on my build and am near completion but have come across an unexpected trouble. The 20 + 4 pin ATX PSU plug doesn't snap into my the motherboard's 24 pin ATX plug. It almost works, but something is a little off. The 4 piece fits in nicely but when I try to fit the 20 pin part it doesn't go in all the way...
Is a pin bent a little? Does anyone know what I could do?
By the way:
They are both brand new
GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk II 750W High Performance 80PLUS Silver SLI CrossFire ready Power Supply
Thanks
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On September 30 2012 04:41 eskashaborn wrote:
I am working on my build and am near completion but have come across an unexpected trouble. The 20 + 4 pin ATX PSU plug doesn't snap into my the motherboard's 24 pin ATX plug. It almost works, but something is a little off. The 4 piece fits in nicely but when I try to fit the 20 pin part it doesn't go in all the way...
Is a pin bent a little? Does anyone know what I could do?
By the way:
They are both brand new
GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk II 750W High Performance 80PLUS Silver SLI CrossFire ready Power Supply
Thanks
What's off? Are you sure it's facing the correct direction? It can't go both ways. It should also be difficult to insert, it will take quite some force. Give pictures or something if you're sure it won't work, it's impossible to say anything but 'try again' because the parts themselves are obviously compatible.
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On September 30 2012 01:15 phaib wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey, I just moved to the US and left my computer in Germany. So I need a new one! I fell in love with the idea of building a small desktop. I plan to basically build the first one in http://www.anandtech.com/show/4348/small-form-factor-buyers-guide/4. The guide is however over a year old, so I would appreciate some comments on my plans. What is your budget?I want to stay below $1000. What is your resolution?1680x1050 What are you using it for?It should run SC2 and Diablo 3 at high settings. It should also work for a few years for new titles, as I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon. What is your upgrade cycle?See above. When do you plan on building it?As soon as possible. Do you plan on overclocking?No. Do you need an Operating System?No. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?No. Where are you buying your parts from?Newegg, wherever I can get stuff. As this is my first time dealing with a very small case, I am scared to change any of the parts. I always fear stuff might not fit in the case. I have a screen, so I don't need to get one. Case LIAN LI PC-Q08B $109.99 PSU Antec TruePower New TP-550 $116.26 Alternatively, Antec True Power ATX 550 $104.32. But this one has different measures so I am scared. CPU Intel Core i5-2500K (4x3.3GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo, 8MB L3) $219.99 Motherboard ASUS P8H61-I $85.99 GPU ASUS EAH6850 DC/2DIS/1GD5/V2 Radeon HD 6850 $177.68. I feel like I should be able to safe some money here. This card seems a little over the top for my needs. Memory Patriot 4GB (2x2GB) PSD34G1333K $29.99 DVDRW LITE-ON DS-8A5S $29.99 SSD OCZ Vertex 4 VTX4-25SAT3-256G 2.5" 256GB $199.99 Overall 962.60 + shipping Thank you for help. I appreciate it!
All those prices are very old and the components are all last gen.
i5-3570K & MSI Z77MA-G45 mATX $311.98 $15 off with promocode EMCNAHE239, limited offer ($15 Mail in rebate) and $15 promotional gift card w/ purchase, ends 9/30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1065735
Corsair 8GB DDR3-1600 1.5v RAM & Gigabyte HD7850 $249.98 ($20 Mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1058407
OCZ Agility 4 256GB SSD $179.99 ($20 Mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227808
Silverstone SST-PS07B mATX Mini Tower $78.99 ($10 Mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163186
Rosewill Capstone 450M $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261
DVD Burner $17.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO $34.99 ($5 Mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099
Total: $943.91 ($843.91 After rebates, code, and gift card)
Huzzah! I'm ~$100 cheaper than the guide and I'm about 10-15% more powerful while using less energy.
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On September 30 2012 04:41 eskashaborn wrote:
I am working on my build and am near completion but have come across an unexpected trouble. The 20 + 4 pin ATX PSU plug doesn't snap into my the motherboard's 24 pin ATX plug. It almost works, but something is a little off. The 4 piece fits in nicely but when I try to fit the 20 pin part it doesn't go in all the way...
Is a pin bent a little? Does anyone know what I could do?
By the way:
They are both brand new
GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk II 750W High Performance 80PLUS Silver SLI CrossFire ready Power Supply
Thanks
Make sure the two cables aren't designed to be clipped together when you plug it in as a 24pin. The connecting clippiness between them could cause sticking if you did them separate.
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On September 30 2012 05:44 iTzSnypah wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2012 01:15 phaib wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey, I just moved to the US and left my computer in Germany. So I need a new one! I fell in love with the idea of building a small desktop. I plan to basically build the first one in http://www.anandtech.com/show/4348/small-form-factor-buyers-guide/4. The guide is however over a year old, so I would appreciate some comments on my plans. What is your budget?I want to stay below $1000. What is your resolution?1680x1050 What are you using it for?It should run SC2 and Diablo 3 at high settings. It should also work for a few years for new titles, as I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon. What is your upgrade cycle?See above. When do you plan on building it?As soon as possible. Do you plan on overclocking?No. Do you need an Operating System?No. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?No. Where are you buying your parts from?Newegg, wherever I can get stuff. As this is my first time dealing with a very small case, I am scared to change any of the parts. I always fear stuff might not fit in the case. I have a screen, so I don't need to get one. Case LIAN LI PC-Q08B $109.99 PSU Antec TruePower New TP-550 $116.26 Alternatively, Antec True Power ATX 550 $104.32. But this one has different measures so I am scared. CPU Intel Core i5-2500K (4x3.3GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo, 8MB L3) $219.99 Motherboard ASUS P8H61-I $85.99 GPU ASUS EAH6850 DC/2DIS/1GD5/V2 Radeon HD 6850 $177.68. I feel like I should be able to safe some money here. This card seems a little over the top for my needs. Memory Patriot 4GB (2x2GB) PSD34G1333K $29.99 DVDRW LITE-ON DS-8A5S $29.99 SSD OCZ Vertex 4 VTX4-25SAT3-256G 2.5" 256GB $199.99 Overall 962.60 + shipping Thank you for help. I appreciate it! All those prices are very old and the components are all last gen. i5-3570K & MSI Z77MA-G45 mATX $311.98 $15 off with promocode EMCNAHE239, limited offer ($15 Mail in rebate) and $15 promotional gift card w/ purchase, ends 9/30 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1065735Corsair 8GB DDR3-1600 1.5v RAM & Gigabyte HD7850 $249.98 ($20 Mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1058407OCZ Agility 4 256GB SSD $179.99 ($20 Mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227808Silverstone SST-PS07B mATX Mini Tower $78.99 ($10 Mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163186Rosewill Capstone 450M $69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261DVD Burner $17.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO $34.99 ($5 Mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099Total: $943.91 ($843.91 After rebates, code, and gift card) Huzzah! I'm ~$100 cheaper than the guide and I'm about 10-15% more powerful while using less energy.
Thanks a lot! This one is however a bit larger than what I planned for. However, I think I still gonna go with your build.
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They aren't Jinglehell...
I tried many times to plug it in (in the correct orientation of course)...
It seems like some of the motherboard pins might be slightly off...I don't know how fix that. I'll try plugging in the PSU into a different ATX.
EDIT: Yay I fiddled around with a screwdriver and pushed some pins around. Then I applied a ridiculous amount of force and got it to go in. Hopefully it will work now!
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Canada197 Posts
Hello kind computer building enthusiasts
I need some help building a computer in South Korea.
More specifically, parts, and where to buy them/checking that they will work together.
(as with 99% of people in my situation, I've recently moved to Seoul, teaching english, blah blah blah, looking to build a tower)
I did build my last computer back home, so I have a bit of superficial knowledge in regards to what parts are required, what specs mean etc, but I could really use some help.
About the computer:
Amount I'm looking to spend: ~1,500,000 won (~$1500). Flexible (could be a bit higher, if necessary)
Purposes:
Playing SC2 @ 1920 x 1080 (27")
Streaming SC2 (at a lower res)
Playing unkown, graphically demanding games in the future
Heavy 3D modelling, Heavy Photoshop work.
3D Rendering
Generally needs to be a decent machine, I will ship it back home when I leave and hopefully use it for a while.
I will not be doing any overclocking.
CPU:
Trying to decide between Intel i7 and intel i5. Aiming for the ivy bridge 4 cores in either case, to support the 1600 mhz for the ram.
RAM:
Aiming for 16GB DDR3.
Graphics Card:
Literally no idea what I should be aiming for here. Probably over $200 price wise.
Would be nice to get a decent amount of dedicated Vram.
Motherboard:
Appropriate to support the above. I want some USB 3 functionality.
I am absolutely clueless about choosing motherboards, other than that they should hold all the components.
DvD/CD drive:
Just something simple and functional, not a big focus.
Hard Drive
1 TB should be fine. Not solid state, the old fashioned kind.
Power Supply:
Don't know what to aim for here. Something reliable.
Probably ~80 price range or a bit more. What is a reputable brand?
OS:
Buying a legit copy of windows 7
Case:
Largely based on the other components.
Something with a lot of fans. I don't care about aesthetic, just want functionality here.
Need room for more than one hard drive.
Cooling?
I've always just used the fan that comes with the motherboard.
I don't know how to evaluate if an additional cooling unit is necessary.
I headed over to Yongsang to look at the electronics market, and I looked around on this site a bit:
http://www.gmarket.co.kr/
What I'm looking for:
1) advice on if I should be ordering these parts online, or if I should be buying them in person. Which is better for finding good parts and/or for better value. And where? Online and physically.
2) advice on which parts I should be realistically seeking with my goals/budget/location.
Thank you very much
- navy
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i also have a question for the thread. am i just used to poor people cuz im american? how do ppl all afford these machines? i mean most responsible adults who make money dont play video games all the time. there was an economic recession...r most kuddies living with mom where she subsidizes the internet electricity and food? or r u all just landed and estsblished rich boys?
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On September 30 2012 23:57 ellsworth wrote:
haters try to justify buying expensive intel buildd with nvidia stock cards from evga and trash on amd parts that play video games well too. i built my friend an apu for 300 to play sc, which is as much as a lot of these nerds spend on their graphics cards. i also have a phenom at 4.0ghz and paid like 350 for the build 2 years ago. meanwhile haters are hating while im getting by playing video games just like them
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I mean the german dude clearly has disposable income...he's a
baller
User was warned for this post
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On October 01 2012 00:01 ellsworth wrote:
i also have a question for the thread. am i just used to poor people cuz im american? how do ppl all afford these machines? i mean most responsible adults who make money dont play video games all the time. there was an economic recession...r most kuddies living with mom where she subsidizes the internet electricity and food? or r u all just landed and estsblished rich boys?
get job, get money, get nice rig.
also learn to post and write.
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On October 01 2012 00:03 ellsworth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 23:57 ellsworth wrote:
haters try to justify buying expensive intel buildd with nvidia stock cards from evga and trash on amd parts that play video games well too. i built my friend an apu for 300 to play sc, which is as much as a lot of these nerds spend on their graphics cards. i also have a phenom at 4.0ghz and paid like 350 for the build 2 years ago. meanwhile haters are hating while im getting by playing video games just like them
Are you playing on max settings or do you want to play on max settings? I don't mind being able to play on low, which I have done for the past year. Just got pretty sick of playing with crappy looking units and dull looking buildings. I think deep down, some people just want a better experience. That is why they end up bashing another company. AMD can be better for one person, while Intel may be better for another.
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On October 01 2012 00:01 ellsworth wrote:
i also have a question for the thread. am i just used to poor people cuz im american? how do ppl all afford these machines? i mean most responsible adults who make money dont play video games all the time. there was an economic recession...r most kuddies living with mom where she subsidizes the internet electricity and food? or r u all just landed and estsblished rich boys?
Spending $1000 on a nice computer every 2 years isn't really a major expenditure for most people that have a steady job and a reasonable spending pattern.
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