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On July 20 2012 21:14 Scorevath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 21:04 Rannasha wrote:+ Show Spoiler +$500 budget for 720p streaming is tight. The parts your friend wants to sell aren't that useful, other than perhaps the power supply if it's a decent brand and possibly the graphics card. The CPU is not powerful enough for 720p streaming. You want to look at a setup with an i5 CPU ideally. A Phenom II X6 is a reasonable alternative that is a bit cheaper and still streams okay.
GPU wise, you don't need much if you only want to use low settings. But for streaming/casting, some added eyecandy is generally considered to be beneficial.
Overclocking is a very cheap way of getting more streaming performance. Streaming relies almost completely on the CPU, so overclocking it translates directly into better streaming. If you buy a processor that can be overclocked, make sure to spend $20-$30 extra for a decent third party cooler, so you can get a nice overclock going. Would something like this be a better way to start the build?
That's actually a pretty good price for what you're getting. Mind you that the power supply may not be very high quality and the motherboard is a basic model, so overlocking potential might be limited. If you go for this option, do add another 4 GB of memory, as the included 4 GB is very little these days.
In general, if your budget allows it, an Intel i5 processor will provide better streaming performance. However, the Phenom II X6 will be able to do 720p as well. Some people stream 1080p with it, but this is generally after overclocking.
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On July 21 2012 02:40 skyR wrote:
GTX 460 / Radeon HD6850 are basically the same price ($140) and both offer better performance than the GTX 550 Ti and 7770.
Phenom II X4 sucks. For a gaming configuration, you want a Core i3 2100 / 2120 / etc.
If I get a Core i3 then I would have to change motherboards right? any suggestions?
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On July 21 2012 02:47 Rkuro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 02:40 skyR wrote:
GTX 460 / Radeon HD6850 are basically the same price ($140) and both offer better performance than the GTX 550 Ti and 7770.
Phenom II X4 sucks. For a gaming configuration, you want a Core i3 2100 / 2120 / etc. If I get a Core i3 then I would have to change motherboards right? any suggestions?
Yes you'd need to change the motherboard to a H61, H67, or H77.
H61 is your most basic board, H67 has SATA 6Gbps (for SSDs - if you plan on getting one sometime in the future), and H77 has native USB3 and native support for Ivybridge (if you plan on upgrading to a core i5 later).
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On July 21 2012 01:09 The_Doctor_ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +-I originally had the 670 but was told by several people that it wasn't worth spending that much on a card. Any suggestions on where to get and which 570
-I have always considered modular to be something worth having.
-I guess I will return this ssd and look for another one.
- whether it's worth it or not is completely up to you. Do you want to be able to play any game at the highest settings without nearly ever dropping under 60 FPS at 1920x1080? Then spend $400 on a 670. Otherwise, save $100-200 and you can turn down a few games from highest to high settings and you'll still be able to play them smoothly.
Generally Newegg and Amazon have the best prices. Amazon has this evga 570 for $270 with a $40 rebate, and it's the "AR" version (lifetime warranty if you register it within 30 days).
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-012p31572ar
The only other one worth getting is this MSI Twin Frozr II. Everything else is too expensive (or I can't find better deals, not looking that hard, just using pcparpicker): http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-n570gtxtwinfrozrii
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Edit: nvm im stupid sorry
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What are you confused about?
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So what Im looking at right now is:
mobo: Intel H67
CPU: Intel core i3 2100
GPU: Geforce GTX 460
Now, can this system run on a 430W PSU?
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On July 21 2012 03:32 Rkuro wrote:
So what Im looking at right now is:
mobo: Intel H67
CPU: Intel core i3 2100
GPU: Geforce GTX 460
Now, can this system run on a 430W PSU?
If it's a good PSU, then yes, definitely.
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well the reason i was told the 670 isnt worth it is because the game that i have played most by far is starcraft 2. just started playing diablo 3 while i dont want to severely limit myself part of my thinking was that if in the future i need more powerful graphics i can always add a second card.
wabbit the card that you are suggesting was the one i was looking at once it was said that the 560ti was not good. does the fact that its a 1gb card vs 2gb matter? I assume not being that most cards seem to be 1gb now.
comparison of 570 cards on newegg
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On July 21 2012 03:49 The_Doctor_ wrote:well the reason i was told the 670 isnt worth it is because the game that i have played most by far is starcraft 2. just started playing diablo 3 while i dont want to severely limit myself part of my thinking was that if in the future i need more powerful graphics i can always add a second card. wabbit the card that you are suggesting was the one i was looking at once it was said that the 560ti was not good. does the fact that its a 1gb card vs 2gb matter? I assume not being that most cards seem to be 1gb now. comparison of 570 cards on newegg
SLI with mid-range cards is not the greatest idea but it works.
Who said the 560ti was not good? It's a fine card for its price range. You get the performance you pay for. This is pretty simple. All these cards are generally fine. And for silly games like SC2 and D3, yes anything more than a 560ti is a waste of money if you don't play something far more demanding in the next few months/years.
more than 1GB VRAM is starting to become more useful for some games but generally most video cards have plenty. If you are planning to get a 560ti or 570 and SLI and keep the SLI setup for many years, it would be nice to have more than 1GB of VRAM per card so that you don't run into the occasional massive fps drop. 560ti's with 2GB aren't really worth it though because 570's cost about that much and will be better 100% of the time, and paying extra for 2.5GB 570's (if you can even find any) would just be stupid instead of getting 7870's. At least the regular 1.25GB 570's at ~$240 are still justifyiable.
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I dont really know what i may play in the next few years which is why i am willing to get more then what i currently need.
I have been convinced that i should at least upgrade it to the 570 as it makes sense.
The price difference between 1.25gb and 2.5gb is 40$ so if it would preform better even mildly then that would be worth it to me. I do not plan on adding a second card sli for at least a year or 2. I was more thinking that in the future rather then upgrading to an entirely new card if i wanted to upgrade i could just add a second one of what i have which by then should also be much cheaper. Here are those two cards on newegg
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It doesn't perform better just because of more VRAM. VRAM is already extremely overstated as it is, you will do fine on 1GB unless you like running NVidia surround with 3 2560*1600 monitors.
Just get the 560 ti as it has better price/performance and upgrade in 3 years if you feel like it. You're playing mainly blizzard games dude, you'll still do fine with a 8800gt or something...
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On July 21 2012 04:59 The_Doctor_ wrote:I dont really know what i may play in the next few years which is why i am willing to get more then what i currently need. I have been convinced that i should at least upgrade it to the 570 as it makes sense. The price difference between 1.25gb and 2.5gb is 40$ so if it would preform better even mildly then that would be worth it to me. I do not plan on adding a second card sli for at least a year or 2. I was more thinking that in the future rather then upgrading to an entirely new card if i wanted to upgrade i could just add a second one of what i have which by then should also be much cheaper. Here are those two cards on newegg
570's are already last generation. There's very little motivation to buy one now, let alone in more than a year. You'll be way better off selling it at that point and getting something else.
Just get a regular 570 or 560ti. 1.25GB VRAM is plenty for 1920x1080 for a few years.
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So would the one from the link i posted previously be a good choice? the 570?
That makes sense about just selling it and upgrading in two years.
Microcenter near me will price match neweggs price with out the rebate and there is 6% tax however for 29.99 or 39.99 (idr) they have a replacement plan that they will put the amount i pay for it toward a repalcement of the same or any other card with in 2 years. is that worth doing?
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Anyone? I have a 64GB Crucial M4 and at this price the Kingston is tempting..
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On July 20 2012 20:45 Scorevath wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hello everybody and thank you for reading. I'm trying to build a somewhat low end PC that can do more than my laptop can. I've been gaming on a fairly low end laptop (Spent $500 in it back in January 2011) for the past year and a half and it just can't do what I want it to do. I recently got a casting job and this will require me to stream so I need something that is capable of doing the following: - Steaming in atleast 720p. 1080p or 1080p+ would be preferable - Run SC2 on low at a 1920x1080 at atleast 30 fps - Run skype/other streaming programs like scoreboard in the background Budget: As little as possible. If I'm not mistaking I can easily build something like this for less than $500. Resolution: Correct me if I'm wrong but you want to have a high resolution if you are streaming/casting so that the HUD doesn't take up too much of the screen. I would perfer 1920x1080 I think. Usage: Primarily gaming, streaming, and watching movies on netflix/hulu. I'll use my laptop for mostly everything else because it is more than capable of doing those things. Upgrade Cycle: Really only as necessary. Probably not often. As I graduate college and have a more reliable source of income in the next 2 years I may throw a couple hundred dollars into it but don't expect much. Timeline: Ready to move as soon as possible Overclocking: Don't know much about it but I don't plan on it unless I need to in order to do what I want OS: I have a windows 7 disk SLI/Crossfie: No idea what these are and I don't think I need a really powerful GPU for low res SC2 Buying Parts: Living in the states so I can buy them online. I also have a Microcenter and Ginstar near me. A friend of mine that just built a new computer and has some spare parts that he is willing to sell me. I'm not sure if they are going to be useful for this build but he is going to sell them to me for very cheap. He has: - AMD Athlon II X4 641 Llano 2.8GHz Socket FM1 100W - ASUS M4A87TD EVO AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard - nvidia 9800gtx1mb gpu - 600 w power supply He hasn't given me pricing for these yet but I suspect he will sell me all of them for $100-$200. Is this something I should do? Other parts i will need: - Case - Fan - RAM - PSU - HDD Thanks in advance for any help. TL is awesome. I will need a monitor as well but don't include that in the budget. I am open to recommendations though.
I've started to put together a build based on the comments. Here is what I currently have.
- CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K 3.4GHz LGA 1155
- Mobo: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
- GPU: 7750PE51G AMD Radeon HD 7750 1024MB GDDR5 PCIe 3.0 16x Video Card
- Case: Commander MS-I Snow ATX Mid-Tower
- PSU: Diablotek DA Series PSDA500 500W ATX Power Supply
- RAM: 4x2GB DDR3-1333 (PC-10600) CL9 Desktop Memory Module
- HDD: Scorpio Blue 160GB 5400 RPM SATA 3Gb/s 2.5" Internal Notebook Hard Drive WD1600BPVT - OEM
I'm getting all of this for $500 as a bundle. Based on my research this is a pretty good deal. I'm a little worried about the PSU because it seems like there have been alot of DOAs. Also a notebook harddrive seems very weird. Is this normal at all?
Any comments or suggestions?
If you didn't read the original post this is meant for streaming SC2 at atleast 720p on Low at 30fps. Will this be able to handle that/go above and beyond?
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If you value your own life, I hope you aren't being serious.
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Hard drive is 5400 RPM which is not good for a gamer. PSU is Diablotek and should never be turned on.
Also 4 sticks of 2gb RAM. That's not recommended.
I would pass on that build, you would have to replace so much already.
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The power supply is one of those exploding specials. I don't see why one would get four sticks of 2GB rather than two sticks of 4GB either.
You didn't link anything that includes a CPU cooler. Most people getting a k-suffix processor and Z77 motherboard would be using an aftermarket heatsink and overclocking, but you don't have anything like that there, or even the stock cooler. There's no optical drive listed either.
Laptop hard drives work just fine, though many cases don't really have proper mounting for them (they'll have hard mounting only, which is fine for SSDs that don't actually vibrate...this isn't ideal but not a huge deal). This one doesn't have any mounting at all for those, though, as far as I can tell.
Anyway, the exploding power supply is the biggest issue.
If you're not interested in overclocking or playing on higher than low, that's overpriced for that purpose. However, it can do what you ask—stream SC2 at 720p on low at 30 fps, at least until the power supply explodes. Actually, the issue with the power supply is that it can damage other components while exploding, or even during normal operation over time, before anything is grossly apparent.
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Those were my 3 worries as well because I never see things like that in this thread. Just out of curiosity and for future reference, is there any advantage in using a notebook HDD instead of a normal tower one?
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