EPTWhat the fuck. I'm so frustrated right now. Just do a Celeron CPU or at least an i3 along with Pro3/4 if you have to cut somewhere?
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Shauni
4077 Posts
What the fuck. I'm so frustrated right now. Just do a Celeron CPU or at least an i3 along with Pro3/4 if you have to cut somewhere? | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
So that means CPU, GPU, and sometimes RAM space. RPM of HDD gets overlooked. Quality of PSU gets overlooked. Coolers get overlooked. And so forth. | ||
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Scorevath
United States43 Posts
On July 21 2012 08:11 Shauni wrote: Good example of how people don't have the slightest clue as how to balance a build. 3570K and Extreme4 along with beyond terrible PSU, 'gaymer case' and slowest laptop hard drive you can find with no space whatsoever. What the fuck. I'm so frustrated right now. Just do a Celeron CPU or at least an i3 along with Pro3/4 if you have to cut somewhere? I apologize for frustrating you. I've never built a PC before and have no background knowledge on the matter. That is why I'm here because I'm trying to learn and figure out what I need/don't need. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
We are frustrated that builders come up with these builds because people probably buy them fairly often. Like our parents, or uncles or aunts or whatever. Then they complain to us when shit goes south and THATS what frustrates us. Just build your own PC dude. No problem. | ||
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Scorevath
United States43 Posts
Again if I can go above and beyond 720p at low settings and 30 fps with this then that's fine. I'm just trying to get a general idea | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On July 21 2012 08:09 Scorevath wrote: Those were my 3 worries as well because I never see things like that in this thread. Just out of curiosity and for future reference, is there any advantage in using a notebook HDD instead of a normal tower one? It will depend somewhat on the model, but the 2.5" hard drives (typical notebook size) have much lower power consumption and generally have lower acoustic noise levels as well. If you ever decide to use one in an external enclosure, those can be powered off of the USB bus alone. Sometimes the smaller size is an advantage in small-form-factor desktop systems and all-in-ones. As you might expect, they're much worse by $ / GB and have a bit lower performance as well. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On July 21 2012 08:21 Scorevath wrote: This "bundle" is through a local store. If I can convince them to drop the HDD, RAM, and PSU and sell me the CPU, mobo, case, and GPU for $400 is that worth it? I guess the question is do the CPU, mobo, and GPU work well together or not? Again if I can go above and beyond 720p at low settings and 30 fps with this then that's fine. I'm just trying to get a general idea It would be worth it yes, even without the case you'd find it difficult to find the GPU CPU and motherboard under 400$. It's still not the best match if you plan on playing games, 7750 is very weak for a 3570k. I have to question your motive though. If you don't have enough money to choose your own products, will you really supplement with a sufficient PSU, RAM and SSD by yourself? You can't right? Cause that CPU is half your previous budget. And if you do have enough money, why don't build your own computer instead of choosing from some stupid bundle? | ||
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Scorevath
United States43 Posts
On July 21 2012 08:41 Shauni wrote: It would be worth it yes, even without the case you'd find it difficult to find the GPU CPU and motherboard under 400$. It's still not the best match if you plan on playing games, 7750 is very weak for a 3570k. I have to question your motive though. If you don't have enough money to choose your own products, will you really supplement with a sufficient PSU, RAM and SSD by yourself? You can't right? Cause that CPU is half your previous budget. And if you do have enough money, why don't build your own computer instead of choosing from some stupid bundle? My goal is to build a PC that can run SC2 and stream at 720p for as cheap as possible. Someone told me I would need an i5 to do that. Is this not the case? I'm happy to build my own PC. I just thought I could save some money buy bundling a little bit at a local parts store. I guess I'll spend some time this weekend putting a build together that is completely my own and see what I can come back with. | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
On July 21 2012 08:22 Myrmidon wrote: It will depend somewhat on the model, but the 2.5" hard drives (typical notebook size) have much lower power consumption and generally have lower acoustic noise levels as well. If you ever decide to use one in an external enclosure, those can be powered off of the USB bus alone. Sometimes the smaller size is an advantage in small-form-factor desktop systems and all-in-ones. As you might expect, they're much worse by $ / GB and have a bit lower performance as well. in europe SSD's are getting so cheap.... even if it's not that good, the 240GB vertex plus, at 140 euros OCZ petrol 128gb 69 euros even crucial m4 was at 170euros for the 256gb version | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Anyway, for your purposes, keeping to a relatively strict budget, you can get parts cheaper than $500, no problem. And remember that the hard drive is worse and the power supply useless on the store's offer. Core i5-3570k - $215 after promo code http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504 AsRock B75M-GL - $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157326 Pareema 2 x 4GB DDR3 1600 MHz RAM - $41 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576011 Samsung CD / DVD burner - $17 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151244 Western Digital Caviar Blue 250GB - $50 http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=59705&promoid=1261 BitFenix Merc Beta - $35 http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63257 Corsair CX400 - $35 http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=33357 Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM (if necessary) - $90 http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271 You can just use the integrated graphics on the i5-3570k. There are 500GB hard drives for not much more, if you want, but at least that model is relatively modern. CX400, again, is slightly better than the CX V2 series. For those wondering, i5-3570k is for the extra clock speed and integrated HD 4000 graphics. Actually, for $25 more you can get a Z75 Pro3 instead of that B75 model, which can overclock the processor. You'll want aftermarket cooling for overclocking though, especially if you're also using the integrated graphics. | ||
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Scorevath
United States43 Posts
On July 21 2012 09:46 Myrmidon wrote: + Show Spoiler + For SC2 on low, you don't need a graphics card as good as an HD 7750, but for gaming in general (and for playing on higher settings, which is what most people assume, though it's not necessary), it just looks underpowered compared to a i5-3570k. Anyway, for your purposes, keeping to a relatively strict budget, you can get parts cheaper than $500, no problem. And remember that the hard drive is worse and the power supply useless on the store's offer. Core i5-3570k - $215 after promo code http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504 AsRock B75M-GL - $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157326 Pareema 2 x 4GB DDR3 1600 MHz RAM - $41 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576011 Samsung CD / DVD burner - $17 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151244 Western Digital Caviar Blue 250GB - $50 http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=59705&promoid=1261 BitFenix Merc Beta - $35 http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63257 Corsair CX400 - $35 http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=33357 Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM (if necessary) - $90 http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271 You can just use the integrated graphics on the i5-3570k. There are 500GB hard drives for not much more, if you want, but at least that model is relatively modern. CX400, again, is slightly better than the CX V2 series. For those wondering, i5-3570k is for the extra clock speed and integrated HD 4000 graphics. Actually, for $25 more you can get a Z75 Pro3 instead of that B75 model, which can overclock the processor. You'll want aftermarket cooling for overclocking though, especially if you're also using the integrated graphics. Wow this is fantastic!! This is exactly what I was looking for. It's especially nice because Microcenter has the i5 3570K for $25 cheaper right now. Just out of curiosity, can the integrated graphics card handle SC2 on low at 1920 x 1080? And I'm assuming the mobo can support a GPU just in case I upgrade later? Thanks again. You are wonderful! | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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Linz
Belgium151 Posts
What is your budget? 1000 euro (about 1200$) What is your resolution? I'm planning on buying the Dell Ultrasharp 2312HM for 160 euro (195$), so I guess that would make 1920x1080. If you can suggest a better one that's cheaper, that would be great (23 inch preferred) What are you using it for? 60% gaming, 35% browsing and watching series or movies, 5% random stuff What is your upgrade cycle? Probably about 4-5 years. When do you plan on building it? I'd need the computer at the end of september. Do you plan on overclocking? Not really, I'm going to keep my hands off. Do you need an Operating System? Yes. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Not really. Where are you buying your parts from? I live in Belgium, so no access to Newegg or any of those fancy cheap-ass Canadian / American sites  Extra notes: no need for speakers and/or a mouse, I already have those. Would need a new keyboard though. | ||
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SoulWager
United States464 Posts
On July 21 2012 10:12 Myrmidon wrote: HD 4000 integrated should be able to get 30 fps (average) at 1920x1080 on medium settings. Low settings look much simpler and require much less graphics processing, so it's no problem at all. Yes, you can always add a graphics card later. I don't think that will actually be playable. Pretty sure you'd have to reduce resolution and use low settings to get consistent 30fps. HD4000 is about half the performance of a gt240 in sc2. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
"man this game is good but I wish it had an in game clock" "only for alienware bro" Probably from all the marketing fluff they output. That being said, are you building now or in September? Because things change greatly month to month. | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On July 21 2012 12:14 SoulWager wrote: I don't think that will actually be playable. Pretty sure you'd have to reduce resolution and use low settings to get consistent 30fps. HD4000 is about half the performance of a gt240 in sc2. Well I don't think he'd be able to stream and use integrated graphics and pull decent framerate. Although he could just use integrated graphics until he could afford a GPU then buy one and should be able to stream ezpz. Never used integrated on a cpu so I don't know how much it actually effects the CPU itself. | ||
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Puph
Canada635 Posts
 Is it generally a good idea to wipe down the contacts between my Hyper 212+ and processor? I already built my rig and turned it on, it worked. Lights, fans, air, spinning. Didn't access bios yet because missing 2.5"SSD bracket and sata wire and fear of explosions. Should I worry about possible gunk particles stuck between the cpu and heatsink?TL:DR; I feel like I read somewhere that I should clean the top of the CPU that sticks to the heatsink, and the heatsink as well. But I didn't :o EDIT: I';m sorry I have another question! Can I flash SSD firmware on my SSD without 2.5" brackets? by using the optical drive's SATA to connect it? I am attempting to update it before installing OS. Some way, likely USB. Lack of sata cables is because I need one for SSD, HDD and Optical drive. To my undersatnding. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On July 21 2012 12:14 SoulWager wrote: I don't think that will actually be playable. Pretty sure you'd have to reduce resolution and use low settings to get consistent 30fps. HD4000 is about half the performance of a gt240 in sc2. Maybe you're right. Anyway, I didn't mean to imply that medium settings would be playable while streaming, just that low would not be a problem for the IGP in any circumstance. (30 fps average, if that's the case, looks pretty bad and far different from 30 fps minimum or games locked at 30 fps) Only benches I can find are these: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5771/the-intel-ivy-bridge-core-i7-3770k-review/15 http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-3000.37948.0.html AT result looks suspiciously high? Anyway, again, low is no problem. Under certain circumstances, medium may be passable, or not. On July 21 2012 14:54 Infernal_dream wrote: Well I don't think he'd be able to stream and use integrated graphics and pull decent framerate. Although he could just use integrated graphics until he could afford a GPU then buy one and should be able to stream ezpz. Never used integrated on a cpu so I don't know how much it actually effects the CPU itself. Shouldn't be that much, right? It's not like the integrated graphics and CPU cores share any execution resources. The Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge IGP is just another node on the intra-CPU ring bus, like one of the cores. It does share L3 cache, memory access, transmission time on the bus, and I guess thermal budget (for Turbo Boost) with the CPU cores, so there's some dependency. But I doubt that severely impacts performance. edit: On July 21 2012 15:01 Puph wrote: Hi guys, I have but one question this evening Is it generally a good idea to wipe down the contacts between my Hyper 212+ and processor? I already built my rig and turned it on, it worked. Lights, fans, air, spinning. Didn't access bios yet because missing 2.5"SSD bracket and sata wire and fear of explosions. Should I worry about possible gunk particles stuck between the cpu and heatsink?TL:DR; I feel like I read somewhere that I should clean the top of the CPU that sticks to the heatsink, and the heatsink as well. But I didn't :o What are you asking? If you have a new build, you install the heatsink with a small amount of thermal interface material. If unused, the surfaces should be clean. If you're removing a heatsink and reseating it or using another one, then you should remove any residue (old thermal paste) before you apply it again. How do you have a motherboard and not any SATA cables? What's the deal with missing a bracket and explosions? It's not like drives refuse to operate unless rigorously secured in specially-marked containers. | ||
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Puph
Canada635 Posts
 sorry if I come across as slightly retarded. I'm..tired!!I think you addressed all my concerns, thank you I will proceed with the new rig once I am less tired, or after I take another look at what came with the lian li pc k62 case! thanks again! | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
It's better practice to disconnect the cables for any SSD or hard drive you're not installing the OS on, so wouldn't two cables be enough? You don't want a 3rd device (a 3rd being anything not the SSD and optical drive used to read the installation media) connected anyway. btw the PC-K62's 3.5" hard drive trays have mounting holes for 2.5" drives, as is typical.. | ||
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