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On June 18 2012 12:53 MisterFred wrote:
I wonder if the market will grow or shrink. My guess is shrink. But best of luck to you. And also, I don't know much about the new 7970 coming out, but after the 680 came out, the regular 'ole 7970 became not as bad in terms of price/performance once they did the price drop. At least in the U.S. Maybe the older 7970s will be cheaper than the new ones?
Rumors say there are process improvements enabling the higher clocks, so maybe it's something along the lines of GTX 460 vs. GTX 560—or maybe not even that much. I kind of wonder about availability and pricing too. I doubt all old Tahiti will sell out abruptly, so both revisions will be coexisting for some time? It would make sense if street pricing on the Tahiti XT2 were higher at launch, IMHO.
On June 18 2012 12:53 findingthelimit wrote:
I have a question regarding the new video cards:
the price of the geforce 600 series is not going to affect anything as they are way atop my budget, unless I go for one of the mid-end cards.
SO i'm deciding how much i should spend on my video cards... I want to play d3/sc2/stream dota2 on max settings, 1920x1080 full hd.
If i'm NOT OVERCLOCKING...
should i get a 2500 or a 3570k? the price is not that different.
is there any point in getting a z77 mobo?
how much should i pay for my graphics cards? and more importantly, amd or nvidia?
i'm looking at the 560, 7770, 7850, 560Ti, 7850. I know the price varies a lot; i just listed the new cards i'm capable of paying for. I've heard good stuff about the 7000 series, can anyone elaborate?
All those video cards are above what you need for that, except maybe 7770, which is around the correct level (unless you turn up AA / AF). Also look at 6850 and 6870, though spending up to 7850 is fine, as a longer-term investment I guess.
If you're not overclocking, you don't need Z77. i5-3570k or even i5-3550 are a little bit better than i5-2500, a few or several percent faster. It actually might be worth finding a Xeon E3-1230, since that's usually around the price of a i5-3570k, would be pretty much the same as the i5-2500 but with hyperthreading, which may help some 20-30% for streaming. It's not a big deal though, as you can always lower stream settings a little bit.
edit: oh wait the Xeon E3-12__V2 corresponding to Ivy Bridge have already been released. Once again, E3-1230V2 is the cheapest quad core with hyperthreading.
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On June 18 2012 12:57 MisterFred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 12:53 findingthelimit wrote:
I have a question regarding the new video cards:
the price of the geforce 600 series is not going to affect anything as they are way atop my budget, unless I go for one of the mid-end cards.
SO i'm deciding how much i should spend on my video cards... I want to play d3/sc2/stream dota2 on max settings, 1920x1080 full hd.
If i'm NOT OVERCLOCKING...
should i get a 2500 or a 3570k? the price is not that different.
is there any point in getting a z77 mobo?
how much should i pay for my graphics cards? and more importantly, amd or nvidia?
i'm looking at the 560, 7770, 7850, 560Ti, 7850. I know the price varies a lot; i just listed the new cards i'm capable of paying for. I've heard good stuff about the 7000 series, can anyone elaborate? If you're not overclocking, you should get a 3570k. Edit: i5-3450 or 3550, no K necessary (though it doesn't hurt) z77: not if you're not overclocking. You'll want ye olde cheap B75 or H77 monitor, or possibly an H67. Not sure if all of those have been updated with the ivy bridge-compatible bioses yet, but they probably have. If so, there's a pretty good deal on an MSI h67 on newegg right now. For graphics card... not that much for the games you mentioned. None of those games take much GPU power, so you'd really only be paying more for non-d3, sc2, dota2 games, since those will all run on max on most if not all $120 plus GPUs, and also some less than that. If money's not a big issue, I'd probably get a 6870 in your position, since you can usually get one on special for about $150, not too much, and they still provide a little oomph for non-easy-to-run games. But if you really don't care much about other games, just get a cheap 6770 or 560se (560 shitty edition, but it's better than the 550ti) or something.
well, i would really like to buy one of the cards I have listed there, since they are relatively new cards and can probably run new games that I will get into in the near future. So if i were to rephrase my question to "which company should i buy from, and which one of those cards I have listed is optimal", what would you recommend?
thanks for your reply.
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Well, Nvidia 500 series doesn't count as relatively new, even if there are no 600 series replacements for the $120-380 range yet. Get a 7850 then.
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having read the past few pages of this thread, I have a feeling I might be overkilling my power supply. Can anyone clarify this? i wouldnt be overclocking.
samsung spinpoint: 1tb 7200rpm HDD
samsung 830: 120gb SSD
sapphire radeon OC edition HD 7850 2GB 256-bit ddr3
corsair vengeance 2x4gb 1600MHz
ASRock z77 Pro4
(wikipedia tells me all the ivy bridge boards support OC, so even though I'm not doing that I thought i'll just get a z77 board...? From what i've read, other boards that aren't M sized are either the same price, or have bad reviews.)
cooler master hyper212 evo
(i want a quiet fan as opposed to the stock cooler. I know i dont need an aftermarket fan as i'm not OC'ing)
i was recommended to get the Rosewill Capstone-450w PSU, which is gold certified. I feel like if i just get a bronze/silver cert'ed psu thats 400-450 I'm fine, and wouldnt mind saving 10-20 bucks. can anyone point me in the right direction? thanks 
I'm paying 975 for everything, including the rosewill PSU, btw. I don't think this is a bad deal? As for the case, i'm just going to a computer center and choosing the best looking one that's mid tower.
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On June 18 2012 15:59 findingthelimit wrote:having read the past few pages of this thread, I have a feeling I might be overkilling my power supply. Can anyone clarify this? i wouldnt be overclocking. samsung spinpoint: 1tb 7200rpm HDD samsung 830: 120gb SSD sapphire radeon OC edition HD 7850 2GB 256-bit ddr3 corsair vengeance 2x4gb 1600MHz ASRock z77 Pro4 (wikipedia tells me all the ivy bridge boards support OC, so even though I'm not doing that I thought i'll just get a z77 board...? From what i've read, other boards that aren't M sized are either the same price, or have bad reviews.) cooler master hyper212 evo (i want a quiet fan as opposed to the stock cooler. I know i dont need an aftermarket fan as i'm not OC'ing) i was recommended to get the Rosewill Capstone-450w PSU, which is gold certified. I feel like if i just get a bronze/silver cert'ed psu thats 400-450 I'm fine, and wouldnt mind saving 10-20 bucks. can anyone point me in the right direction? thanks I'm paying 975 for everything, including the rosewill PSU, btw. I don't think this is a bad deal? As for the case, i'm just going to a computer center and choosing the best looking one that's mid tower.
Get a H77 motherboard. ASRock H77(-M) Pro3. The only difference between Pro3 and Pro4 that I can find is 1 more PCI slot, which is covered up by your GPU anyways.
EDIT: looks like they don't make a H77-M Pro3...However they do make a H77-M Pro4 so just get that one.
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On June 18 2012 16:07 iTzSnypah wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 15:59 findingthelimit wrote:having read the past few pages of this thread, I have a feeling I might be overkilling my power supply. Can anyone clarify this? i wouldnt be overclocking. samsung spinpoint: 1tb 7200rpm HDD samsung 830: 120gb SSD sapphire radeon OC edition HD 7850 2GB 256-bit ddr3 corsair vengeance 2x4gb 1600MHz ASRock z77 Pro4 (wikipedia tells me all the ivy bridge boards support OC, so even though I'm not doing that I thought i'll just get a z77 board...? From what i've read, other boards that aren't M sized are either the same price, or have bad reviews.) cooler master hyper212 evo (i want a quiet fan as opposed to the stock cooler. I know i dont need an aftermarket fan as i'm not OC'ing) i was recommended to get the Rosewill Capstone-450w PSU, which is gold certified. I feel like if i just get a bronze/silver cert'ed psu thats 400-450 I'm fine, and wouldnt mind saving 10-20 bucks. can anyone point me in the right direction? thanks I'm paying 975 for everything, including the rosewill PSU, btw. I don't think this is a bad deal? As for the case, i'm just going to a computer center and choosing the best looking one that's mid tower. Get a H77 motherboard. ASRock H77(-M) Pro3. The only difference between Pro3 and Pro4 that I can find is 1 more PCI slot, which is covered up by your GPU anyways. EDIT: looks like they don't make a H77-M Pro3...However they do make a H77-M Pro4 so just get that one.
i really dont want a -M board, you see, i'm new to building computers, and everyone tells me it's easier to work on a larger board than a smaller one.
to reiterate my originally question, do you have any idea whether the PSU i selected is overkill, or is it required?
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How is it easier. Think for a second before just listening to shit people parrot.
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On June 18 2012 17:31 Womwomwom wrote:
How is it easier. Think for a second before just listening to shit people parrot.
okay getting a little off topic but-
why would i want to build on a small board as opposed to a bigger one if the bigger one offers more space and, i assume, offers more airflow? i also mentioned i have an aftermarket cooler, i wasn't sure whether it would fit in a -M board. as i stated earlier, i'm new to this, and i can only gather information from various reviews and forums. it's not that easy to distill what's shit people parrot and what's reliable, and that's why i'm here to ask.
if you have the initiative, please spend 30 seconds of your time stating what the differences are, instead of rhetorically questioning what i suggest to make me look like an idiot.
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Friend wants me to build him a computer. I can build them easily enough, but I suck on knowing what parts to buy.
So if anyone wants to help, his budget is £1000, he wants it for Gaming/Graphics and design stuff, and all parts must be bough from overclockers.co.uk!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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On June 18 2012 18:07 findingthelimit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 17:31 Womwomwom wrote:
How is it easier. Think for a second before just listening to shit people parrot. okay getting a little off topic but- why would i want to build on a small board as opposed to a bigger one if the bigger one offers more space and, i assume, offers more airflow? i also mentioned i have an aftermarket cooler, i wasn't sure whether it would fit in a -M board. as i stated earlier, i'm new to this, and i can only gather information from various reviews and forums. it's not that easy to distill what's shit people parrot and what's reliable, and that's why i'm here to ask. if you have the initiative, please spend 30 seconds of your time stating what the differences are, instead of rhetorically questioning what i suggest to make me look like an idiot.
Sorry for getting sniffy at you. I'll explain:
There are two things that need to be understood:
- Airflow is irrelevant. What is important is how well directed the airflow is. The purpose behind airflow is to draw cool air inside the chassis and draw hot air out, thus normalizing the internals with the ambient air. This is why water cooling is so effective in very hot systems: the majority of the heat is transferred straight to the water and sent straight to radiator. Water cooling is better to do inside a very larger chassis: tubing takes a lot of space and you want to prevent kinking of pipes, you want a lot of room for the pumps and multiple GPUs, and you need to fit a massive radiator somewhere in the system:
+ Show Spoiler [Silverstone TJ11] + w/ radiator ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TxO2F.jpg)
- Temperatures are mostly irrelevant. If your components aren't throttling themselves to death, why do would you care about the temperatures? Getting components to overheat in standard situations is actually very, very difficult to do even in a case with a single fan. If it does overheat, the reasons are generally user error, excessive dust, or components failing.
So if you want to do straight air cooling, a larger chassis is normally counterproductive. Remember: you want to get air in and out as quickly as possible.
The larger the chassis, the more distance the air has to travel before exiting the chassis. Air, as you know, doesn't maintain the same static pressure throughout its journey in and out. When it loses much of the static pressure, air just sits there and that's not a good thing. There are two common solutions to this problem:
- add a dozen fans to the chassis. This obviously improves cooling performance but increases the noise level dramatically. More moving parts and all that.
- use ducting systems. The Mac Pro is a prime example of a desktop that uses ducts. Ducting basically splits a much larger system into several small, isolated regions.
Since you can't build a case around components like Apple can, the best solution is to get a smaller chassis like a TJ08-E. Since the case is so small, you don't need a lot of fans to cover a lot of space. Air goes straight in and straight out, efficiently. You get good cooling, a smaller footprint, and much less noise.
So there is no reason to not get a mATX motherboard. The only reason for choosing ATX motherboards these days if you need a stupid number of SATA ports, have a stupid number of PCI cards (eg. sound card, capture card, wireless card, FW800 card), or want to run Crossfire/SLI.
A mATX system is, generally, not any more difficult to work in than an ATX system. mITX is where problems can exist but you can conquer most of these problems with modular PSUs, zip ties, and some planning beforehand.
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Allright, finally closing in on date I can build. I decided to go with about the minimum requirements for SC2, whilst being as fast as possible with internet and skype and other minor tasks. I will probably upgrade processor + MoBo in a year or 2 when I go to university. I will hopefully (and most likely) order in about a week time, maybe in a month. Not longer than that.
Let's start with the build itself: https://www.4launch.nl/shop/winkelwagen/59238
I have a GT520 allready, so hopefully don't need a new videocard. I will upgrade it after the summer to be able to run new games (will buy 7200RPM HDD at that time as well)
If I have the extra few bucks I'll buy the Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO (212+ is barely available in NL, will look for it though)
So, my main questions to you guys are:
-Is this a good build for the purposes stated above? (Will I be able to run SC2 fluently, albeit on low)
-Is there any ATX motherboard for around 60 euro's with internal USB3.0 headers. I don't need them, but might in a couple of months and it would be a nice extra to have. Not willing to spend that much more on it though. 70 is prolly fine.
-Will 64GB SSD be enough to install windows, SC2, skype and LoL? If not, will it be enough if I scrap LoL?
Thanks a lot!
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On June 18 2012 01:39 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 01:26 alffla wrote:On June 17 2012 18:46 Womwomwom wrote:- Don't plan on overclocking? Don't get a K version. Something like a i5-3550 is fine. - Likewise, a ASRock H77M is fine. - Don't get a Caviar Black. Benefits are warranty. Speed between recent HDDs of the same speed class are not noticeable. Deskstars are good. - You don't need 650W. You can easily get away with 400W with such a system. Something like a Corsair CX430W is adequate. - Get the cheapest pair of 1.5V RAM you can find. Memory speeds need not apply. With the money you save, dump it into a better monitor. There's a monitor thread with some nice mid-range options in the Tech Support forum. thanks womwomwom! i think I'll take your advice, it makes perfect sense. might i ask why the RAM memory speeds dont matter? http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=245087That's why speed doesn't matter. That's consistent with gaming nearly across the board, assuming you use a discrete GPU. When the gains are incredibly minimal (and they are) it's often silly to spend more money there out of a budget, when the money could go to CPU or GPU. There's certain bizarre scenarios where the faster memory might not be so bad, like absolute minimum budget, since it helps minimum FPS in CPU limited games for $10 or so, but it's kind of an outlier sort of thing. For certain non-gaming uses, memory speed will help more, but unless you're planning to make money off of doing nearly full time content production, it's not going to really affect you much.
If I'm planning to use Photoshop a lot (which i will be..) and I know that PHotoshop constantly accesses RAM to process images and stuff, would it make sense for me to get faster memory RAM ?
Here is my new rig hardware choices following people's recommendations
CPU : Intel Core i5-3550 Ivy Bridge (3.3GHz, 6M Cache, LGA 1155)
MoBo : ASRock H77M H77,DDR3,LGA 1155,USB3.0,SATA3 6Gb/s,M.ATX M/B
Graphics card : Sapphire HD6850 PCI-E 1GB GDDR5
HDD : Hitachi Deskstar HDS723020BLA642 2TB SATA3 6Gb/s /64MB HDD
RAM : Corsair Vengeance 復仇者 DDR3 1600MHz 8GB (2x4GB) SODIMM CMSX8GX3M2A1600C9
PSU : CORSAIR CX430 CMPSU-430CXV2UK 430W 80Plus <<<<<<---- i'm kind of iffy on this, i haven't properly added up all the Watt values for my hardware parts but 430 it seems a little low. i might go for a 500W one instead? i should probably check though.
Case : COOLER MASTER RC-692A-KWN5 CM 690 II Advanced (USB3.0)
DVD : Asus DRW-24B3ST 24X DVD Writer /SATA
Monitor : ASUS 22" VS229H-P LED Monitor (16 ,50000000,5ms,VGA,DVI,HDMI,Spk,FullHD) -- IPS Panel (chose IPS cuz its supposed to have better colour accuracy? which i need..)
all this adds up to 979 USD
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On June 18 2012 22:59 alffla wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 18 2012 01:39 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 01:26 alffla wrote:On June 17 2012 18:46 Womwomwom wrote:- Don't plan on overclocking? Don't get a K version. Something like a i5-3550 is fine. - Likewise, a ASRock H77M is fine. - Don't get a Caviar Black. Benefits are warranty. Speed between recent HDDs of the same speed class are not noticeable. Deskstars are good. - You don't need 650W. You can easily get away with 400W with such a system. Something like a Corsair CX430W is adequate. - Get the cheapest pair of 1.5V RAM you can find. Memory speeds need not apply. With the money you save, dump it into a better monitor. There's a monitor thread with some nice mid-range options in the Tech Support forum. thanks womwomwom! i think I'll take your advice, it makes perfect sense. might i ask why the RAM memory speeds dont matter? http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=245087That's why speed doesn't matter. That's consistent with gaming nearly across the board, assuming you use a discrete GPU. When the gains are incredibly minimal (and they are) it's often silly to spend more money there out of a budget, when the money could go to CPU or GPU. There's certain bizarre scenarios where the faster memory might not be so bad, like absolute minimum budget, since it helps minimum FPS in CPU limited games for $10 or so, but it's kind of an outlier sort of thing. For certain non-gaming uses, memory speed will help more, but unless you're planning to make money off of doing nearly full time content production, it's not going to really affect you much. If I'm planning to use Photoshop a lot (which i will be..) and I know that PHotoshop constantly accesses RAM to process images and stuff, would it make sense for me to get faster memory RAM ? Here is my new rig hardware choices following people's recommendations CPU : Intel Core i5-3550 Ivy Bridge (3.3GHz, 6M Cache, LGA 1155) MoBo : ASRock H77M H77,DDR3,LGA 1155,USB3.0,SATA3 6Gb/s,M.ATX M/B Graphics card : Sapphire HD6850 PCI-E 1GB GDDR5 HDD : Hitachi Deskstar HDS723020BLA642 2TB SATA3 6Gb/s /64MB HDD RAM : Corsair Vengeance 復仇者 DDR3 1600MHz 8GB (2x4GB) SODIMM CMSX8GX3M2A1600C9 PSU : CORSAIR CX430 CMPSU-430CXV2UK 430W 80Plus <<<<<<---- i'm kind of iffy on this, i haven't properly added up all the Watt values for my hardware parts but 430 it seems a little low. i might go for a 500W one instead? i should probably check though. Case : COOLER MASTER RC-692A-KWN5 CM 690 II Advanced (USB3.0) DVD : Asus DRW-24B3ST 24X DVD Writer /SATA Monitor : ASUS 22" VS229H-P LED Monitor (16 ,50000000,5ms,VGA,DVI,HDMI,Spk,FullHD) -- IPS Panel (chose IPS cuz its supposed to have better colour accuracy? which i need..) all this adds up to 979 USD
If your going to be using Photoshop alot then get 16GB of RAM. The CX430 is more than enough power.
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haha well i don't think my filesizes are gonna be that big, and i can always add more RAM later if needed right?
so, i did a little research and found all the max power consumption values for cpu, card, mobo, and they already ad up to 542W . i guess they'll never actually reach that much power consumption and i'm perfectly safe with a 430W PSU? D:
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On July 24 2010 02:17 DTK-m2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 16:20 FragKrag wrote:On July 23 2010 14:22 DTK-m2 wrote:Hey guys, so I'm about to buy a laptop, and I just wanna quickly get your opinion before I make a final decision. I'm currently consider the following three: $599.99: http://laptops.toshiba.com/laptops/satellite/L640/L645D-S4037$719.00: http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cdetland.to?poid=483708$759.00: http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cdetland.to?poid=484036For the customizable ones, they would have i3 processors, 4 GB of RAM, and 320 GB HDDs. For the one where I have an option of Intel HD vs NVIDIA GeForce 310M, I think I'd go with the Intel HD (it's $100 cheaper). Right now, I'm actually leaning heavily toward the L645. I found it on Amazon for 599.99, free shipping because I have Amazon Prime, and I think I can get $50 off of that cost with this promotion they're currently having for Prime. It's processor is a 1.8 GHz AMD Phenom II, triple-core, so that's better than the i3-350M, which is dual-core, right? The i3 is a 2.26 GHz processor, but the AMD is better right? And the graphics card on the L645 is the ATI Radeon HD 4250. I don't know GPUs that well, though. Is this one good? How does it compare to the Intel HD and the NVIDIA GeForce 310M? Actually, the Phenom II Triple Core will probably be weaker than the Intel i3 at SC2! SC2 currently does not utilize extra cores very well, and the higher clock speed + inherent architecture advantage that the i3 holds will pull it through. The 4250 trades blows with the new IGP that is onboard with the i3, and the GeForce 310M should be better than both of them. The HD 4250 will probably out perform the i3 integrated if drivers come into play, but the Nvidia 310M will win out over both of them. Do you think I could play SC2 using either the 4250, 4200, or the Integrated Intel HD GPU? I just found this laptop, which has a 4200: http://laptops.toshiba.com/laptops/satellite/M500/M505D-S4000It uses the AMD Turion II dual core (2.3 GHz), so that's better than the Phenom II, I presume? How does it compare to the i3-350M? Since they're both dual cores, can I just directly compare the two clock rates? I think the i3 has a larger cache, though... Also, from reading this thread, the previous computer build thread, and links posted in them, I feel like I've expanded my computer knowledge x1000.
No. A phenom is lowest stock 2.6 ghz. And three cores is still better than 2, it just doesnt scale nearly aswel directly for games.
A phenom x3 or x4 would bow a Turion out of the water.l
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On June 18 2012 18:09 Westy wrote:
Friend wants me to build him a computer. I can build them easily enough, but I suck on knowing what parts to buy.
So if anyone wants to help, his budget is £1000, he wants it for Gaming/Graphics and design stuff, and all parts must be bough from overclockers.co.uk!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Anyone? Don't want to end up wasting my mates money!
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On June 18 2012 23:32 EnE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 02:17 DTK-m2 wrote:On July 23 2010 16:20 FragKrag wrote:On July 23 2010 14:22 DTK-m2 wrote:Hey guys, so I'm about to buy a laptop, and I just wanna quickly get your opinion before I make a final decision. I'm currently consider the following three: $599.99: http://laptops.toshiba.com/laptops/satellite/L640/L645D-S4037$719.00: http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cdetland.to?poid=483708$759.00: http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cdetland.to?poid=484036For the customizable ones, they would have i3 processors, 4 GB of RAM, and 320 GB HDDs. For the one where I have an option of Intel HD vs NVIDIA GeForce 310M, I think I'd go with the Intel HD (it's $100 cheaper). Right now, I'm actually leaning heavily toward the L645. I found it on Amazon for 599.99, free shipping because I have Amazon Prime, and I think I can get $50 off of that cost with this promotion they're currently having for Prime. It's processor is a 1.8 GHz AMD Phenom II, triple-core, so that's better than the i3-350M, which is dual-core, right? The i3 is a 2.26 GHz processor, but the AMD is better right? And the graphics card on the L645 is the ATI Radeon HD 4250. I don't know GPUs that well, though. Is this one good? How does it compare to the Intel HD and the NVIDIA GeForce 310M? Actually, the Phenom II Triple Core will probably be weaker than the Intel i3 at SC2! SC2 currently does not utilize extra cores very well, and the higher clock speed + inherent architecture advantage that the i3 holds will pull it through. The 4250 trades blows with the new IGP that is onboard with the i3, and the GeForce 310M should be better than both of them. The HD 4250 will probably out perform the i3 integrated if drivers come into play, but the Nvidia 310M will win out over both of them. Do you think I could play SC2 using either the 4250, 4200, or the Integrated Intel HD GPU? I just found this laptop, which has a 4200: http://laptops.toshiba.com/laptops/satellite/M500/M505D-S4000It uses the AMD Turion II dual core (2.3 GHz), so that's better than the Phenom II, I presume? How does it compare to the i3-350M? Since they're both dual cores, can I just directly compare the two clock rates? I think the i3 has a larger cache, though... Also, from reading this thread, the previous computer build thread, and links posted in them, I feel like I've expanded my computer knowledge x1000. No. A phenom is lowest stock 2.6 ghz. And three cores is still better than 2, it just doesnt scale nearly aswel directly for games. A phenom x3 or x4 would bow a Turion out of the water.l
Do you realize this is from 2010?
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On June 15 2012 09:10 findingthelimit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 00:02 DONTPANIC wrote:On June 14 2012 22:32 findingthelimit wrote:
so i changed my mind and I wont be building my computer till 3 months later, when i'm back to the states-
Does anyone know whether there will be any new releases, or is my build good?
If anyone could tell me what I could do to save money on my build, I would really appreciate it!
Corsair Vengeance Low Profile 8GB:
$60
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 7200rpm SATA 6.0 HDD:
$100
ASRock Z77 Extreme LGA1155:
$135
Samsung 830 128GB SSD:
$220
Intel Core i5-3570K
$235
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
$35
ASUS GTX560Ti-448 1280MB
$280
Rosewill CAPSTONE 450w GOLD:
$80
Cooler Master HAF 912:
$70
I feel like my motherboard is too expensive. Anyone got any recommendations? I won't be overclocking too much. Build is not optimal. Cheaper RAM, Cheaper HDD, Z77 Mobo (to go with your ivybridge cpu) and an HD 7850. I was able to get a z77 mobo and 3570k for $250 total at microcenter. so keep searching. Edit: That's a way over priced SSD too. So I did some research and saw that there are two SSDs with different prices, both samsung... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147134http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147163can someone tell me what the difference between a normal SSD and a "desktop upgrade kit" is, please? Also, getting a z77 motherboard + 3570k for 250 USD seems crazy! Do you mean I have to physically go to a store for that to happen? I don't see any deals close to being that awesome in either newegg or the microcenter website.
it's true, I got the 3570k/asrock z77 pro-4m for $250, the mobo was 60 when purchased with that core for a limited time at microcenter. then I found a corsair CX430 PSU for $17 AMIR, and a GTX 460 for $100 at newegg. cheapest upgrades ever
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I'm using an old mobo with a 775 LGA socket. Are there any decently priced CPU and GPU that I can upgrade to so I can play sc2?
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On June 19 2012 07:38 Murlos wrote:
I'm using an old mobo with a 775 LGA socket. Are there any decently priced CPU and GPU that I can upgrade to so I can play sc2?
Depends on your definition of decently priced, your motherboard, your PSU, and your case. If it's old enough that it's a 775 CPU that has trouble with SC2, I'd be paranoid about the mobo and PSU in particular, and you may do better saving for a proper upgrade to the rig.
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