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On June 17 2012 13:19 glabius wrote:That's a sweet deal for the processor and motherboard. I wanted the 650 power supply because the video card requires at least 500w at least, I figured why not get that better video card (for like $20 more) for any new games or anything? From what I've read the performance that the 6870 gives for the cost is really good compared to the 6850
I don't know where you're reading stuff from but it's incredibly wrong. A video card that requires 500w? Are you out of your mind? Not even two high end gpu's would use 500w by themselves.
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You don't need a PSU over the 380D unless you're adding headroom for things like a souncard, cold cathodes, tons of fans and harddrives, or a dual GPU system.
3570k will be about 80w on full load (90-100 overclocked) and a 6850 will be 150 at most, so even with a 380w psu you've got headroom. Most people dont get the bare minimum so we normally reccomend in the 450-550 range just depending on whatss a good deal that week.
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On June 17 2012 13:19 glabius wrote:That's a sweet deal for the processor and motherboard. I wanted the 650 power supply because the video card requires at least 500w at least, I figured why not get that better video card (for like $20 more) for any new games or anything? From what I've read the performance that the 6870 gives for the cost is really good compared to the 6850
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/539?vs=540
At 1680x1050 in sc2 ultra graphics 6850 scores 78.1fps while 6870 scores 89. So 6870 isn't a bad deal after all.
But yeah you don't need more than a quality 400-500w unit to run any modern single GPU system. Efficiency has just gone through the roof in the last couple of generations.
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On June 17 2012 13:32 Nabutso wrote:
You don't need a PSU over the 380D unless you're adding headroom for things like a souncard, cold cathodes, tons of fans and harddrives, or a dual GPU system.
3570k will be about 80w on full load (90-100 overclocked) and a 6850 will be 150 at most, so even with a 380w psu you've got headroom. Most people dont get the bare minimum so we normally reccomend in the 450-550 range just depending on whatss a good deal that week.
Oh okay, well I just don't want to skimp on the PSU and get screwed basically haha.
On June 17 2012 13:33 iTzSnypah wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 13:19 glabius wrote:That's a sweet deal for the processor and motherboard. I wanted the 650 power supply because the video card requires at least 500w at least, I figured why not get that better video card (for like $20 more) for any new games or anything? From what I've read the performance that the 6870 gives for the cost is really good compared to the 6850 http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/539?vs=540At 1680x1050 in sc2 ultra graphics 6850 scores 78.1fps while 6870 scores 89. So 6870 isn't a bad deal after all. But yeah you don't need more than a quality 400-500w unit to run any modern single GPU system. Efficiency has just gone through the roof in the last couple of generations.
Okay the 6870 reccommends at least a 500+ PSU. (Obviously thats not because the card uses all 500 watts lol) So just get as highest quality 500+ PSU? I don't really know much about power supplys unfortunately:/
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On June 17 2012 13:37 glabius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 13:32 Nabutso wrote:
You don't need a PSU over the 380D unless you're adding headroom for things like a souncard, cold cathodes, tons of fans and harddrives, or a dual GPU system.
3570k will be about 80w on full load (90-100 overclocked) and a 6850 will be 150 at most, so even with a 380w psu you've got headroom. Most people dont get the bare minimum so we normally reccomend in the 450-550 range just depending on whatss a good deal that week. Oh okay, well I just don't want to skimp on the PSU and get screwed basically haha. Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 13:33 iTzSnypah wrote:On June 17 2012 13:19 glabius wrote:That's a sweet deal for the processor and motherboard. I wanted the 650 power supply because the video card requires at least 500w at least, I figured why not get that better video card (for like $20 more) for any new games or anything? From what I've read the performance that the 6870 gives for the cost is really good compared to the 6850 http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/539?vs=540At 1680x1050 in sc2 ultra graphics 6850 scores 78.1fps while 6870 scores 89. So 6870 isn't a bad deal after all. But yeah you don't need more than a quality 400-500w unit to run any modern single GPU system. Efficiency has just gone through the roof in the last couple of generations. Okay the 6870 reccommends at least a 500+ PSU. (Obviously thats not because the card uses all 500 watts lol) So just get as highest quality 500+ PSU? I don't really know much about power supplys unfortunately:/
Just get the PSU I suggested. It's a high quality, high efficiency unit at a very competitive price.
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On June 17 2012 13:32 Nabutso wrote:
You don't need a PSU over the 380D unless you're adding headroom for things like a souncard, cold cathodes, tons of fans and harddrives, or a dual GPU system.
3570k will be about 80w on full load (90-100 overclocked) and a 6850 will be 150 at most, so even with a 380w psu you've got headroom. Most people dont get the bare minimum so we normally reccomend in the 450-550 range just depending on whatss a good deal that week.
An i5-3570k should be nowhere near 80W on full [CPU] load, though overclocked might be around the 90-100W range depending on how far you go. Rated TDP of i7-3770k is 77W, Intel is usually pretty conservative there, i5-3570k uses less power because of not having hyperthreading, and the entire IGP isn't going to be used. It's probably well under 50W. The lower-end quad core i5s were already around 50W for Sandy Bridge.
M12II is pretty decent but worse overall in terms of electrical performance, acoustic noise at higher loads, and even output capacity. As with many—but not all—high-efficiency rated PSUs, Rosewill Capstone is capable of a lot more than the rated wattage. It's advertised as 450W just to hit 80 plus gold levels. In other markets under a different brand name, it's advertised as 450W 80 plus gold but 550W at 80 plus silver levels (and higher at peak if required), and 3rd-party reviews confirm that it can do those power outputs quite easily. So think of it as a (way way way more than you need) 550W PSU if it makes you feel better.
If you want modular cables, M12II is a good pick though.
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What is your budget?
1000$
What is your resolution?
1154x860 atm, planning to go 1280x1024 is native
What are you using it for?
Gaming
What is your upgrade cycle?
6 yrs
When do you plan on building it?
By october-december
Do you plan on overclocking?
No
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes, I do need w7
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I'll add them if my computer cannot handle sc2 800x800 battle on ultra (4v4 , everyone maxed, huge battle) or atleast high.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Eta2u, Real, and maybe Flanco
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
hello all.
i'm a complete noob to building desktop comptuers, been using laptops mostly, and crappy laptops that are slow and have no grahpics cards so i can't play aynthing. haha anyway its been a while, and i need a new computer for work and ..some games 
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What is your budget?
i would say max $1000USD, preferably $900 ish or lower would be good
What is your resolution?
Since i'm going to be using Photoshop a lot for artwork and stuff, Im looking to get a larger resolution display, so.. I think 1920 x 1200? any suggestions about this area?
What are you using it for?
Some gaming with mostly Photoshopping painting with WACOM tablet etc. I just wanna play some not too high req games like D3 and i dont know..alien swarm or something lol. my computer right now can't play anything.
What is your upgrade cycle?
long.. at least 4 years before i upgrade again.
When do you plan on building it?
end of the month? sometime this summer.
Do you plan on overclocking?
nope
Do you need an Operating System?
um...i think i have a copy somewhere.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Dont think so
Where are you buying your parts from?
Hong Kong computer malls .. there are some pretty reputable and cheap places for electronics hardware here!
so my friend recommended that I go to PCPartPicker.com and have a look.. and here's a list of stuff that i chose. I'm definitely hoping to cut down on some of the costs. Also, I would like some suggestions about monitors since I would like one with good colour calibration and all that since I need to work with graphics and photoshop etc.. so colours need to be correctly displayed.
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($122.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.99 @ Amazon)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($179.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 6850 1GB Video Card ($137.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master CM690 II Advanced ATX Mid Tower Case ($85.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ Adorama)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VW224T 22.0" Monitor ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $987.02
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
thanks for the help!
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- Don't plan on overclocking? Don't get a K version. Something like a i5-3550 is fine.
- Likewise, a ASRock H77M is fine.
- Don't get a Caviar Black. Benefits are warranty. Speed between recent HDDs of the same speed class are not noticeable. Deskstars are good.
- You don't need 650W. You can easily get away with 400W with such a system. Something like a Corsair CX430W is adequate.
- Get the cheapest pair of 1.5V RAM you can find. Memory speeds need not apply.
With the money you save, dump it into a better monitor. There's a monitor thread with some nice mid-range options in the Tech Support forum.
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Is this a good setup?
I want to have atleast a little bit over the bare miniuim to be able to play starcraft/diablo 3 atleast around 50+ fps on low settings and stream while playing music and browse the internet and skype. My budget is $800 max but if I can go lower I do want to hit around $600 if possible. I don't plan to overclock, again just want to game, stream, browse, and chat thats all.
This is the setup my friend recommended:
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K ($220)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS Item #: N82E16813130645 ($150)
Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A2133C11B ($65)
Power: OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W Modular High Performance Power Supply compatible with Intel Sandybridge Core i3 i5 i7 and AMD Phenom ($50)
Graphics: EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1463-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video ($150)
Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($60)
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM ($100)
Total cost is $795
For the hard drive I plan to just use an old drive that came from a old computer that was using windows XP. I think the rpm is around 4000 not sure. As for the monitor I want to use a 19 inch philips monitor 16:10 ratio and use an HDMI. I am not sure the resolution but I want to atleast be able to play 1440×900. I do still have an old computer monitor from my old computer.
Is this a bit over what I really need or is it standard? Please note that I don't really want to buy a new computer in the next 5-7 years for future games. Is 8 GB ram not needed? My friend is a computer tech guy and says it helps but the thread said its useless, im split on this topic.
Edit 1: Found out the hard drive has 7200 rpm its a Samsung SpinPoint SP2504C 250gb. The dvd burner model is SHM-165H6S10C, I couldn't find specs on it on the internet tho.
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On June 17 2012 18:57 gfever wrote:
Is this a good setup?
I want to have atleast a little bit over the bare miniuim to be able to play starcraft/diablo 3 atleast around 50+ fps on low settings and stream while playing music and browse the internet and skype. My budget is $800 max but if I can go lower I do want to hit around $600 if possible. I don't plan to overclock, again just want to game, stream, browse, and chat thats all.
This is the setup my friend recommended:
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K ($220)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS Item #: N82E16813130645 ($150)
Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A2133C11B ($65)
Power: OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W Modular High Performance Power Supply compatible with Intel Sandybridge Core i3 i5 i7 and AMD Phenom ($50)
Graphics: EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1463-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video ($150)
Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($60)
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM ($100)
Total cost is $795
For the hard drive I plan to just use an old drive that came from a old computer that was using windows XP. I think the rpm is around 4000 not sure. As for the monitor I want to use a 22 inch philips monitor 16:10 ratio and use an HDMI. I am not sure the resolution but I want to atleast be able to play 1440×900. I do still have an old computer monitor from my old computer.
Is this a bit over what I really need or is it standard? Please note that I don't really want to buy a new computer in the next 5-7 years for future games. Is 8 GB ram not needed? My friend is a computer tech guy and says it helps but the thread said its useless, im split on this topic.
So you don't want to OC yet your friend suggests items that are overclocked or meant to be overclocked. 2133mhz ram is probably the largest gimmick there is, as the 0-1% increase in performance over 1333mhz ram is...lackluster. I would suggest against reusing your old HDD, as it is old. I don't see any reason to get more than 4GB of RAM.
i5-3450 & MSI Z77-G43 ATX $292.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.974902
G.Skill 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3-1333 1.5v c9 $22.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231394
ASUS HD6850 $149.99 ($129.99AMIR) FREE Dirt3 coupon
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121419
Corsair CX430v2 $39.99 with promo code EMCNDJH37, ends 6/18 (19.99AMIR) too good to pass up
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
DVD Burner $17.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118067
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB $99.99 with promo code FBWDHD20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533
same case
same os
new total: $743.91 AMIR
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On June 17 2012 19:43 iTzSnypah wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 18:57 gfever wrote:
Is this a good setup?
I want to have atleast a little bit over the bare miniuim to be able to play starcraft/diablo 3 atleast around 50+ fps on low settings and stream while playing music and browse the internet and skype. My budget is $800 max but if I can go lower I do want to hit around $600 if possible. I don't plan to overclock, again just want to game, stream, browse, and chat thats all.
This is the setup my friend recommended:
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K ($220)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS Item #: N82E16813130645 ($150)
Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A2133C11B ($65)
Power: OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W Modular High Performance Power Supply compatible with Intel Sandybridge Core i3 i5 i7 and AMD Phenom ($50)
Graphics: EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1463-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video ($150)
Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($60)
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM ($100)
Total cost is $795
For the hard drive I plan to just use an old drive that came from a old computer that was using windows XP. I think the rpm is around 4000 not sure. As for the monitor I want to use a 22 inch philips monitor 16:10 ratio and use an HDMI. I am not sure the resolution but I want to atleast be able to play 1440×900. I do still have an old computer monitor from my old computer.
Is this a bit over what I really need or is it standard? Please note that I don't really want to buy a new computer in the next 5-7 years for future games. Is 8 GB ram not needed? My friend is a computer tech guy and says it helps but the thread said its useless, im split on this topic. So you don't want to OC yet your friend suggests items that are overclocked or meant to be overclocked. 2133mhz ram is probably the largest gimmick there is, as the 0-1% increase in performance over 1333mhz ram is...lackluster. I would suggest against reusing your old HDD, as it is old. I don't see any reason to get more than 4GB of RAM. i5-3450 & MSI Z77-G43 ATX $292.98 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.974902G.Skill 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3-1333 1.5v c9 $22.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231394ASUS HD6850 $149.99 ($129.99AMIR) FREE Dirt3 coupon http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121419Corsair CX430v2 $39.99 with promo code EMCNDJH37, ends 6/18 (19.99AMIR) too good to pass up http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026DVD Burner $17.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118067Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB $99.99 with promo code FBWDHD20 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533same case same os new total: $743.91 AMIR
Found out the hard drive has 7200 rpm its a Samsung SpinPoint SP2504C 250gb. The dvd burner model is SHM-165H6S10C, I couldn't find specs on it on the internet tho. I don't think I need to get a new hard drive or a dvd burner, these should suffice.
Would these be fine?
I really like that combo deal with the cpu and motherboard. I might take ur advice on 4gb ram, but I dunno about the graphics card. The GTX 560 is definely stronger but I think if I take that card I will need a power supply around 500W, 430W seems low for the GTX 560. Should I get a power supply around 500Ws instead of the 600W one? The power supply you recommended is noisy which I rather spend some more for a quieter one.
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On June 17 2012 21:27 gfever wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 19:43 iTzSnypah wrote:On June 17 2012 18:57 gfever wrote:
Is this a good setup?
I want to have atleast a little bit over the bare miniuim to be able to play starcraft/diablo 3 atleast around 50+ fps on low settings and stream while playing music and browse the internet and skype. My budget is $800 max but if I can go lower I do want to hit around $600 if possible. I don't plan to overclock, again just want to game, stream, browse, and chat thats all.
This is the setup my friend recommended:
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K ($220)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS Item #: N82E16813130645 ($150)
Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A2133C11B ($65)
Power: OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W Modular High Performance Power Supply compatible with Intel Sandybridge Core i3 i5 i7 and AMD Phenom ($50)
Graphics: EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1463-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video ($150)
Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($60)
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM ($100)
Total cost is $795
For the hard drive I plan to just use an old drive that came from a old computer that was using windows XP. I think the rpm is around 4000 not sure. As for the monitor I want to use a 22 inch philips monitor 16:10 ratio and use an HDMI. I am not sure the resolution but I want to atleast be able to play 1440×900. I do still have an old computer monitor from my old computer.
Is this a bit over what I really need or is it standard? Please note that I don't really want to buy a new computer in the next 5-7 years for future games. Is 8 GB ram not needed? My friend is a computer tech guy and says it helps but the thread said its useless, im split on this topic. So you don't want to OC yet your friend suggests items that are overclocked or meant to be overclocked. 2133mhz ram is probably the largest gimmick there is, as the 0-1% increase in performance over 1333mhz ram is...lackluster. I would suggest against reusing your old HDD, as it is old. I don't see any reason to get more than 4GB of RAM. i5-3450 & MSI Z77-G43 ATX $292.98 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.974902G.Skill 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3-1333 1.5v c9 $22.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231394ASUS HD6850 $149.99 ($129.99AMIR) FREE Dirt3 coupon http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121419Corsair CX430v2 $39.99 with promo code EMCNDJH37, ends 6/18 (19.99AMIR) too good to pass up http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026DVD Burner $17.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118067Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB $99.99 with promo code FBWDHD20 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533same case same os new total: $743.91 AMIR Found out the hard drive has 7200 rpm its a Samsung SpinPoint SP2504C 250gb. The dvd burner model is SHM-165H6S10C, I couldn't find specs on it on the internet tho. I don't think I need to get a new hard drive or a dvd burner, these should suffice. Would these be fine? I really like that combo deal with the cpu and motherboard. I might take ur advice on 4gb ram, but I dunno about the graphics card. The GTX 560 is definely stronger but I think if I take that card I will need a power supply around 500W, 430W seems low for the GTX 560. Should I get a power supply around 500Ws instead of the 600W one?
Your WHOLE System will NEVER use more than 250w (during stress testing). Getting a large PSU is just shooting yourself in the foot because PSU's are most efficient at 50% load. Just get the 560 if you want. Do what you want though about the hard drive, but when it fails because its old you can blame yourself (google studied hard drive failure and found the highest percentage of failure rates were at 0-6months and 6+year old HDD's). If you don't plan to upgrade for another 6-7 years, the chance of your HDD failing is astronomically high.
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On June 17 2012 18:46 Womwomwom wrote:- Don't plan on overclocking? Don't get a K version. Something like a i5-3550 is fine. - Likewise, a ASRock H77M is fine. - Don't get a Caviar Black. Benefits are warranty. Speed between recent HDDs of the same speed class are not noticeable. Deskstars are good. - You don't need 650W. You can easily get away with 400W with such a system. Something like a Corsair CX430W is adequate. - Get the cheapest pair of 1.5V RAM you can find. Memory speeds need not apply. With the money you save, dump it into a better monitor. There's a monitor thread with some nice mid-range options in the Tech Support forum.
thanks womwomwom! i think I'll take your advice, it makes perfect sense. might i ask why the RAM memory speeds dont matter? 
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On June 18 2012 01:26 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 18:46 Womwomwom wrote:- Don't plan on overclocking? Don't get a K version. Something like a i5-3550 is fine. - Likewise, a ASRock H77M is fine. - Don't get a Caviar Black. Benefits are warranty. Speed between recent HDDs of the same speed class are not noticeable. Deskstars are good. - You don't need 650W. You can easily get away with 400W with such a system. Something like a Corsair CX430W is adequate. - Get the cheapest pair of 1.5V RAM you can find. Memory speeds need not apply. With the money you save, dump it into a better monitor. There's a monitor thread with some nice mid-range options in the Tech Support forum. thanks womwomwom! i think I'll take your advice, it makes perfect sense. might i ask why the RAM memory speeds dont matter?
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=245087
That's why speed doesn't matter. That's consistent with gaming nearly across the board, assuming you use a discrete GPU.
When the gains are incredibly minimal (and they are) it's often silly to spend more money there out of a budget, when the money could go to CPU or GPU.
There's certain bizarre scenarios where the faster memory might not be so bad, like absolute minimum budget, since it helps minimum FPS in CPU limited games for $10 or so, but it's kind of an outlier sort of thing.
For certain non-gaming uses, memory speed will help more, but unless you're planning to make money off of doing nearly full time content production, it's not going to really affect you much.
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Even in a number of professional/prosumer situations you'll benefit little from memory speeds. The Macbook Air, for instance, can actually do visualization quite well despite how lacking it is in RAM quantity/speeds simply because of the SSD. This will also be the case with a lot of software.
As for an above poster, if you've got a hard disk that's of adequate speed just reuse it. Seriously, I would just reuse it instead of blowing $130 on a hard disk. Dead hard disks are nothing, just back up important data. You should be doing this anyway because hard disks come and go.
So I don't see a point in buying a new one just because you're terrified it will die in the future. If its not dead, what makes you think its going to die any time soon? Or if you want to be more pessimistic about it, what's going to stop the new hard disk from dieing in the first month?
Also note that Google's report is obviously based on server hardware. Yes Google did publish findings that after a while, the failure rate increases dramatically. But there is zero chance a consumer hard disk is going to suffer from the same amount of wear and tear.
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Hello! After much consideration I think I've finally convinced myself to build a PC from scratch for the first time! So lots of questions to follow lol~
What's the budget?
$2000~ give or take a few bucks. This is the number I'm shooting for. Best stuffs a guy can get for $2k lol, which is probably alot when building from scratch. Nice CPU that'll OC for future needs, same with GPU. Want this thing to rock games a year from now. Don't wanna see a game next year and be like, ooooooooh darn my pc just barely runs that....
What Resolution?
Hmm not sure, Don't care for huge monitors, so something 20''~ Something that goes well with a pwerful GPU lol
What are you using it for?
Gaming! Streaming possibly. BF3, Tribes, Final Fantasy XIV, SC2 all at high settings!
Upgrade Cycle
hmm couple of years at least. Looking for something that I can atleast continually upgrade to keep up-to-date
When do you plan on building?
Soon, end of June-beginning of July
Overclocking?
I guess this is a yes....I don't know how to OC stuff, but purchasing factory OC'd stuff is alright. Also I think best bet is to buy the stuff that can be atleast OC, and I can learn later on down the road.
Operating System?
Yes please! Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit I assume.
Multiply GPUs?( SLI/Crossfire)
Eh, one powerful GPU would be fine, however option to add a second later would be nice. That being said, SLI 560 Ti's vs. something like 1 670?
Where are you shopping?
Newegg.com has been my main wishlist place. Would like to keep it all from one business, buying this many parts, less confusion is best.
Picked up a copy of "PCGamer" How to Guide on building a pc month or so ago, and they basically recommend 560 Ti, I5 2500k w/ 8gb ram, for about $1500~ Nice PC but I get that feeling in 8 months it would need some upgrading already. Don't want that lol. So looking at I7 2600k or some of the newer I5 3570k etc. Also I ask again 560 Ti's in SLI or GTX 670? I'm down with paying $400 for GPU(s). Long as they will continue to be good in the future. As for HD, Something SSD would be great, kinda liked the recommendations from the magazine for a HD and SSD combo. Ram? Wanting 16gb. overkill? probably lol. However is it better to go 2x8 or 4x4, 4x4 seems like a cheaper option. Below is the link to a wish list, basically what I'm looking for. Just wanting a little feedback, input from you PC gurus! Thanks, if the link don't work, let me know I'll put up a parts list. Depending on peripherals and a monitor I can keep it under $2k. However not afraid to spend more on PC components and living with a cheaper keyboard for a while lmao.
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link removed, followup post~
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That link/shopping cart is empty, sorry.
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