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On April 17 2012 05:15 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 04:55 Shauni wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 17 2012 04:20 Myrmidon wrote:
It's about principles I guess? Also loading media files a few miliseconds faster?
For whatever reason, even the world's largest producer of SSDs (I'm guessing; maybe not) doesn't even think chipsets need more than two SATA3 ports these days. Or maybe they're just throwing a bone to motherboard manufacturers, allowing for more product differentiation. PCI Express SSDs are where it's at anyway, if you want speed.
As has been mentioned, SATA3 SSDs indeed work on SATA2 ports, and quite quickly as well. Yeah, you'll be bottlenecked in large sequential reads, but that's mostly it. Yeah, I know it's not a huge difference (today), but since you're upgrading it's a bit disappointing to... downgrade your motherboard functions. And regarding product differentiation, I barely see any differentiation in the Z77 motherboards, even if I look at normal ATX boards. I thought this was due to intel having some strict guidelines of how the chipset should not be modified (and licensing fees on the functions you actually can add)? The Intel chipset can't be modified, otherwise it wouldn't be called a Z77. Manufacturers pick and choose for other chipsets. There's quite a bit of differentiation between the Z77 so if you can't differentiate between them than you simply don't care about the differences. Asrock elects to use a shitty Broadcom NIC, Gigabyte uses some shitty Atheros NIC, while ASUS and MSI uses Intel and Realtek. Gigabyte also uses shitty VIA audio while everyone else uses Realtek. Gigabyte has dual UEFI BIOS, ASUS has wifi, and so on. ASUS, Asrock, and Gigabyte all opted to provide more USB3 ports through other chipsets while MSI doesn't. Also, ASUS engineers are apparently geniuses.
Yeah I know there are things like that which vary between manufacturers, but if the base chipset sucks in some areas (like for example SATA ports now and also PCI-E rails previously) then there isn't much to do about it, it's not like they can remove Intel's shitty SATA 2 ports. In comparison to expansion slots, DIMM slots and SATA slots, capacitors and board power phases - these are all minor things, you can just get an external audio or network card if you don't like the internal. I don't think many people notice a difference between network cards, and basically every motherboard has Realtek audio card, even Gigabyte used it on most other chipsets. Sure, some of these features are cool, I especially like the dual BIOS on Gigabyte motherboards. Some setting went critically wrong? Overclocked too hard? BIOS update failed completely? Bam! BIOS switches automatically, everything back to normal. Wonder why other manufacturers doesn't use this. Maybe there's a patent involved or something.
Anyway, I think I'll order the Maximus V GENE. It seems nice and has at least 7 sata ports + 1 esata.
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Shitty sata 2? 3Gb/s is sufficient for all but the most ridiculous uses.
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Hey all,
I asked if i would be able to stream with the new laptop I ordered
But I want to ask everyone in general, is there anyone who has ever (tried) streaming on a laptop?
If so, what is your experience/specs and is it possible or not?
Anyone who ever tried/did, let me know 
Greets,
Syncope
p.s. my specs from the ordered laptop:
+ Show Spoiler +Intel® Core™ i7-2670QM 6Mb Cache, 2.20 GHZ (3.1GHZ Turbo mode / Quad Core - 8 threads)
Nvidia Geforce GT555m (2gb ddr3)
2x4GB Corsair Vengeance 1600mhz DDR3 Memory
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What is your budget?
About $2500
What is your resolution?
1920x1080
What are you using it for?
I will be using it for gaming mostly, but I also plan on streaming with it, video rendering and some photoshop. Some games I will be playing are LoL, D3, GW2, Tera Online, Dota 2, GTA 4, SC@ and a few others I can't think of right now.
What is your upgrade cycle?
2-4 years
When do you plan on building it?
I will be buying the parts some time this week.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Yes.
Do you need an Operating System?
No I get free through my school.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No.
Where are you buying your parts from?
I am in canada so I plan on ordering parts from ncix.ca since they have price matching.
So these are the parts I was thinking of.
CPU: i7 2600k, NCIX currently has it on sale for $295
Motherboard: possibly the ASUS P8Z68-V Pro not too sure
Videocard:I was thinking a 7970 since NCIX has a few on sale
Ram: 16gb of whatever is cheapest
Case: couldn't care what it is as long as it has good airflow and cable management
Cooler: Don't know a lot about coolers
SSD: Thinking of the Crucial M4 128gb. It has gotten some good reviews lately.
Storage harddrive: a 2tb-3tb harddvrive
CD Drive: What ever is cheapest
Thanks,
downmaster
EDIT** Forget to add that I need 3 monitors with this as well
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I need a new computer to avoid 1FPS in late game 2v2s when there are 2 or more Zergs. My end goal is to be able to play a 4v4 and have a faint idea of what happened in the game past the 10 minute mark. Here's what I'm looking at:
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/series/category/desktops/h8m_series/3/computer_store
AMD FX-6100 six-core processor [3.3GHz, 6MB L2/8MB L3 Cache]
6GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [2 DIMMs]
1GB AMD HD 7450 or
2GB AMD Radeon HD 7570
($50 difference)
I have spent hours reading over technical gibberish and I cannot translate any of that into real world performance, any thoughts?
My wife is objecting strongly to entering even the $700 territory; I don't need a monitor, my upgrade cycle is... long. =(
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On April 17 2012 07:46 U_G_L_Y wrote:I need a new computer to avoid 1FPS in late game 2v2s when there are 2 or more Zergs. My end goal is to be able to play a 4v4 and have a faint idea of what happened in the game past the 10 minute mark. Here's what I'm looking at: http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/series/category/desktops/h8m_series/3/computer_storeAMD FX-6100 six-core processor [3.3GHz, 6MB L2/8MB L3 Cache] 6GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [2 DIMMs] 1GB AMD HD 7450 or 2GB AMD Radeon HD 7570 ($50 difference) I have spent hours reading over technical gibberish and I cannot translate any of that into real world performance, any thoughts?
I believe, in short, I can sum up 100% of the feedback about this particular prebuilt, quite easily. It blows balls. Even if you insist on a prebuilt, get an Intel CPU.
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If you need everything from scratch including OS, and don't really care about highest graphics settings in new games, and for whatever reasons don't want to build yourself:
Put this (HD 7750; $110): [edit: replaced with Asus model for same price...or pick the Gigabyte; no big deal]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121633
in this (i5-2400, 4GB DDR3, 500GB 7200rpm hard drive, optical, chassis, power supply, Windows 7 64-bit Professional; $450):
link
Much better. For the CPU difference in games, see here (i5-2400 is between i5-2320 and i5-2500):
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8120-6100-4100_6.html#sect0
You can also look up the 7750, which isn't particularly great, but it's still a substantial upgrade over a 7570 (which is in turn, significantly better than the 7450). 7570 is a rebranded 6570 and falls around the 5670 area of performance:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7750/26.html
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On April 17 2012 07:48 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 07:46 U_G_L_Y wrote:I need a new computer to avoid 1FPS in late game 2v2s when there are 2 or more Zergs. My end goal is to be able to play a 4v4 and have a faint idea of what happened in the game past the 10 minute mark. Here's what I'm looking at: http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/series/category/desktops/h8m_series/3/computer_storeAMD FX-6100 six-core processor [3.3GHz, 6MB L2/8MB L3 Cache] 6GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [2 DIMMs] 1GB AMD HD 7450 or 2GB AMD Radeon HD 7570 ($50 difference) I have spent hours reading over technical gibberish and I cannot translate any of that into real world performance, any thoughts? I believe, in short, I can sum up 100% of the feedback about this particular prebuilt, quite easily. It blows balls. Even if you insist on a prebuilt, get an Intel CPU.
I appreciate candor, thank you.
What specifically will I regret and why?
Why specifically should I get an Intel CPU?
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On April 17 2012 08:03 U_G_L_Y wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 07:48 JingleHell wrote:On April 17 2012 07:46 U_G_L_Y wrote:I need a new computer to avoid 1FPS in late game 2v2s when there are 2 or more Zergs. My end goal is to be able to play a 4v4 and have a faint idea of what happened in the game past the 10 minute mark. Here's what I'm looking at: http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/series/category/desktops/h8m_series/3/computer_storeAMD FX-6100 six-core processor [3.3GHz, 6MB L2/8MB L3 Cache] 6GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [2 DIMMs] 1GB AMD HD 7450 or 2GB AMD Radeon HD 7570 ($50 difference) I have spent hours reading over technical gibberish and I cannot translate any of that into real world performance, any thoughts? I believe, in short, I can sum up 100% of the feedback about this particular prebuilt, quite easily. It blows balls. Even if you insist on a prebuilt, get an Intel CPU. I appreciate candor, thank you. What specifically will I regret and why? Why specifically should I get an Intel CPU?
See Myrm's post, he included the references. You can pay less for more performance.
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On April 17 2012 07:44 downmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?
About $2500
What is your resolution?
1920x1080
What are you using it for?
I will be using it for gaming mostly, but I also plan on streaming with it, video rendering and some photoshop. Some games I will be playing are LoL, D3, GW2, Tera Online, Dota 2, GTA 4, SC@ and a few others I can't think of right now.
What is your upgrade cycle?
2-4 years
When do you plan on building it?
I will be buying the parts some time this week.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Yes.
Do you need an Operating System?
No I get free through my school.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No.
Where are you buying your parts from?
I am in canada so I plan on ordering parts from ncix.ca since they have price matching.
So these are the parts I was thinking of.
CPU: i7 2600k, NCIX currently has it on sale for $295
Motherboard: possibly the ASUS P8Z68-V Pro not too sure
Videocard:I was thinking a 7970 since NCIX has a few on sale
Ram: 16gb of whatever is cheapest
Case: couldn't care what it is as long as it has good airflow and cable management
Cooler: Don't know a lot about coolers
SSD: Thinking of the Crucial M4 128gb. It has gotten some good reviews lately.
Storage harddrive: a 2tb-3tb harddvrive
CD Drive: What ever is cheapest
Thanks,
downmaster
NCIX doesn't have any 7970s on sale, $480 is the new MSRP for 7970s. I would never buy Visiontek, Powercolor, or Gigabyte with this kind of budget. Most of the other cards are OOS or haven't had their pricing adjusted yet.
P8Z68-V Pro and other $200 boards are for SLI / CrossfireX. If you want to spend money on a $200 board, you might as well just get the newer P8Z77-V which is better in most regards.
If you really intend to spend $2500, you should build on X79 with a 3930k. Get a 240 or 256gb SSD instead of wasting money on memory and HDD.
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Hey when I stream and play SC2 on ASUS Optimal with UEFI BIOS and I get a BSOD what does it mean? Too hot? I'm using 2500K and stock heatsink. If I buy a better heatsink will it still happen? My mobo is P8P67-M PRO.
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On April 17 2012 09:24 Kilos wrote:
Hey when I stream and play SC2 on ASUS Optimal with UEFI BIOS and I get a BSOD what does it mean? Too hot? I'm using 2500K and stock heatsink. If I buy a better heatsink will it still happen? My mobo is P8P67-M PRO.
Well, you can stress test your CPU temps with Prime95 and hardwaremonitor.
It's certainly a good place to start. What's the rest of your rig, PSU especially?
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On April 17 2012 08:38 skyR wrote:
NCIX doesn't have any 7970s on sale, $480 is the new MSRP for 7970s. I would never buy Visiontek, Powercolor, or Gigabyte with this kind of budget. Most of the other cards are OOS or haven't had their pricing adjusted yet.
P8Z68-V Pro and other $200 boards are for SLI / CrossfireX. If you want to spend money on a $200 board, you might as well just get the newer P8Z77-V which is better in most regards.
If you really intend to spend $2500, you should build on X79 with a 3930k. Get a 240 or 256gb SSD instead of wasting money on memory and HDD.
Sorry totally forgot to add that I need 3 monitors. The parts I posted are just some things I thought might work. I am totally new to buying parts like this, but have built many computers in the past.
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On April 17 2012 08:03 Myrmidon wrote:If you need everything from scratch including OS, and don't really care about highest graphics settings in new games, and for whatever reasons don't want to build yourself: Put this (HD 7750; $110): [edit: replaced with Asus model for same price...or pick the Gigabyte; no big deal] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121633in this (i5-2400, 4GB DDR3, 500GB 7200rpm hard drive, optical, chassis, power supply, Windows 7 64-bit Professional; $450): linkMuch better. For the CPU difference in games, see here (i5-2400 is between i5-2320 and i5-2500): http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8120-6100-4100_6.html#sect0You can also look up the 7750, which isn't particularly great, but it's still a substantial upgrade over a 7570 (which is in turn, significantly better than the 7450). 7570 is a rebranded 6570 and falls around the 5670 area of performance: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7750/26.html
WTF?!
The AMD 8 core has 50% lower FPS in SC2 than the i3? That's insane! Thanks guys.
Back to the drawing board
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On April 17 2012 09:53 U_G_L_Y wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 08:03 Myrmidon wrote:If you need everything from scratch including OS, and don't really care about highest graphics settings in new games, and for whatever reasons don't want to build yourself: Put this (HD 7750; $110): [edit: replaced with Asus model for same price...or pick the Gigabyte; no big deal] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121633in this (i5-2400, 4GB DDR3, 500GB 7200rpm hard drive, optical, chassis, power supply, Windows 7 64-bit Professional; $450): linkMuch better. For the CPU difference in games, see here (i5-2400 is between i5-2320 and i5-2500): http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8120-6100-4100_6.html#sect0You can also look up the 7750, which isn't particularly great, but it's still a substantial upgrade over a 7570 (which is in turn, significantly better than the 7450). 7570 is a rebranded 6570 and falls around the 5670 area of performance: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7750/26.html WTF?! The AMD 8 core has 50% lower FPS in SC2 than the i3? That's insane! Thanks guys. Back to the drawing board
SC2 doesn't have shit for threading, and is very CPU intensive. Also, the "8 core" is actually just a bad knockoff of a quad with HT, using almost false advertising. AMD's current lineup is utter shit.
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This is my first foray into PC building. Now, the thing is, I am very good at PC repairs (have even repaired broken fans and the like on laptops) so I'm not worthless, but I am deathly afraid of compatibility issues and plain out forgetting something.
What is your budget?
2k (flexible)
What is your resolution?
IDK I need a monitor pref 18-21" or so. But I find particularly large monitors to be more than they are worth.
What are you using it for?
The only taxing thing is likely to be gaming. Perhaps some coding and 3d graphing but usually that is not too memory intensive.
What is your upgrade cycle?
2-4 years
When do you plan on building it?
1-2 weeks.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Nay, this sounds too ambitious.
Do you need an Operating System?
Currently have an unused Windows 7 64 bit Ult
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
?
Where are you buying your parts from?
I figured Newegg, perhaps there are other American sources to buy from, but I am no expert.
Thanks, super thanks.
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On April 17 2012 09:53 U_G_L_Y wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 08:03 Myrmidon wrote:If you need everything from scratch including OS, and don't really care about highest graphics settings in new games, and for whatever reasons don't want to build yourself: Put this (HD 7750; $110): [edit: replaced with Asus model for same price...or pick the Gigabyte; no big deal] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121633in this (i5-2400, 4GB DDR3, 500GB 7200rpm hard drive, optical, chassis, power supply, Windows 7 64-bit Professional; $450): linkMuch better. For the CPU difference in games, see here (i5-2400 is between i5-2320 and i5-2500): http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8120-6100-4100_6.html#sect0You can also look up the 7750, which isn't particularly great, but it's still a substantial upgrade over a 7570 (which is in turn, significantly better than the 7450). 7570 is a rebranded 6570 and falls around the 5670 area of performance: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7750/26.html WTF?! The AMD 8 core has 50% lower FPS in SC2 than the i3? That's insane! Thanks guys. Back to the drawing board
Hm, the difference seems to be a little larger than is usually reported, but you get the idea. Weird benchmark results strike again. But anyway, all the FX series are definitely worse at running most games than the Phenom II, and they're certainly considerably worse than the Sandy Bridge stuff in general.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested/8
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-7-hotfix-bulldozer-performance,3119-4.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_CPU_Scaling/14.html
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On April 17 2012 03:11 Kuznagi wrote:Thoughts on GPU Choice? I play on 2540x1440, play all types of games. With the price drops of the ATI Series, I was able to get the OC 7970 PMed for $460 http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX38047And the GTX680 is rarely in stock but proly still performs slightly better, it will probably cost 510-530. Which card would you recommend getting? Anyone have experience with Gigabyte warranty? Should I get extended warranty on this GPU? Thanks.
Presumably the GTX 680 will have increased stock as time goes on. It won't be permanently sold out forever, if you have patience.
Not sure about an answer to your question though. If you run everything balls-to-the-wall with aa and maxed settings, even a 680 will drop below like 45~30 FPS in some games.
Plenty of benchmarks out there if you want to take a look.
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On April 17 2012 09:38 downmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 17 2012 08:38 skyR wrote:
NCIX doesn't have any 7970s on sale, $480 is the new MSRP for 7970s. I would never buy Visiontek, Powercolor, or Gigabyte with this kind of budget. Most of the other cards are OOS or haven't had their pricing adjusted yet.
P8Z68-V Pro and other $200 boards are for SLI / CrossfireX. If you want to spend money on a $200 board, you might as well just get the newer P8Z77-V which is better in most regards.
If you really intend to spend $2500, you should build on X79 with a 3930k. Get a 240 or 256gb SSD instead of wasting money on memory and HDD. Sorry totally forgot to add that I need 3 monitors. The parts I posted are just some things I thought might work. I am totally new to buying parts like this, but have built many computers in the past.
Here's a base build for $1341 before mail in rebates, applicable taxes, and other fees.
Getting a 7970, 16GB of memory, or a $200 board is your choice.
You can get 3x U2312HM for a little under $600 right now or you can get a 120Hz monitor such as a BenQ XL2420T or Samsung S23A700D which are $400 each.
Corsair 550D @ $122 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11180AC8844 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=66726
ASUS DirectCu II Radeon HD7870 @ $340 (pricematch with http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121624 )
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=69863
Intel Core i7 2600k @ $295
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57960&promoid=1259
MSI Z77A-G43 @ $120 ($100 after mail in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=69230&promoid=1201
Crucial M4 128gb @ $143 (pricematch with http://www.hookbag.ca/product/H3C06ML4Y/ )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60445
Mushkin 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $40
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55544&promoid=1259
Noctua NH-D14 @ $72 (pricematch with http://www.computervalley.ca/nh-d14/noctua-nh-d14-cpu-cooler-1-x-120-mm-1-x-140-mm-1200-rpm-1300-rpm-2-x-sso-bearing )
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=47090
Seasonic X560 @ $113 (pricematch with http://www.agileelectronics.ca/prod_details/tab/details.asp?prod_id=R-X-560-A )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55672
DVD Burner @ $17 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/239388/LG_Electronics/GH24NS90/ )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=66853&promoid=1259
Seagate Barracuda 500GB @ $79
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=63468&promoid=1259
On April 17 2012 10:27 cLutZ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +This is my first foray into PC building. Now, the thing is, I am very good at PC repairs (have even repaired broken fans and the like on laptops) so I'm not worthless, but I am deathly afraid of compatibility issues and plain out forgetting something.
What is your budget?
2k (flexible)
What is your resolution?
IDK I need a monitor pref 18-21" or so. But I find particularly large monitors to be more than they are worth.
What are you using it for?
The only taxing thing is likely to be gaming. Perhaps some coding and 3d graphing but usually that is not too memory intensive.
What is your upgrade cycle?
2-4 years
When do you plan on building it?
1-2 weeks.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Nay, this sounds too ambitious.
Do you need an Operating System?
Currently have an unused Windows 7 64 bit Ult
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
?
Where are you buying your parts from?
I figured Newegg, perhaps there are other American sources to buy from, but I am no expert.
Thanks, super thanks.
New processors are releasing next week so probably best to ask near the end of next week when you're closer to purchasing. You won't be spending anywhere near $2000 though if you don't need an operating system or intend to overclock or buying modern sized monitors.
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I am building a gaming PC for the first time and would really appreciate some feedback from the more experienced builders here on the two builds I have listed below. I'm not sure if I should replace some of these parts or if they go well together with the other components...someone please help!
Intel Z77 Core i5/i7 Configurator
1 x Processor ( Intel® Core™ i7-2700K Processor (4x 3.50GHz/8MB L3 Cache) - Core i7-2700K w/ Intel Performance Tuning Protection )
1 x Processor Cooling ( Liquid CPU Cooling System [SOCKET-1155] - ARC Dual Silent High Performance Fan Upgrade (Push-Pull Airflow) )
1 x Memory ( 8 GB [4 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module - Corsair or Major Brand )
1 x Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 - 1.5GB - Single Card )
1 x Motherboard ( [SLI] ASUS P8Z77-V LK -- 2x PCI-E 3.0 x16, 4x USB 3.0 )
1 x Power Supply ( 1000 Watt - Standard )
1 x Primary Hard Drive ( 1 TB HARD DRIVE -- 32M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive )
Intel X79 Core i7 Configurator
1 x Processor ( Intel® Core™ i7 3820 Processor (4x 3.60GHz/10MB L3 Cache) - Core i7 3820 w/ Intel Performance Tuning Protection )
1 x Processor Cooling ( Liquid CPU Cooling System [SOCKET-2011] - ARC Dual Silent High Performance Fan Upgrade (Push-Pull Airflow) )
1 x Memory ( 8 GB [2 GB X4] DDR3-1600 Memory Module - Corsair or Major Brand )
1 x Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 - 1.5GB - Single Card )
1 x Motherboard ( ASUS P9X79 -- 4x USB 3.0 )
1 x Power Supply ( 1000 Watt - Standard )
1 x Primary Hard Drive ( 1 TB HARD DRIVE -- 32M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive )
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