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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 00:49:09
April 18 2012 00:48 GMT
#20721
On April 18 2012 09:41 Cerotix wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On April 18 2012 05:40 Shauni wrote:
the i5 2550k is without quicksync and integrated graphics, 100mhz higher base clock though. I'm told that intel just released it to meet demands, since most gamers does not care about the IGP.

wouldnt the factory overclock be better if your planning on oc-ing it further? i thought there was something to do with warranties and them being more lenient with respect to returns due to overclocking on a card that had a slight factory OC versus doing it all once you buy it



What? The 2550k is a processor but it sounds like you're talking about graphics cards.

The majority, if not all, graphic card warranties cover overclocking without voltage modifications regardless of the model.

Intel's warranty does not cover overclocking. You need to purchase the protection plan which gives you a one time replacement.

And Intel didn't release it due to demand, they're just selling off CPUs with a defective IGP.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
April 18 2012 01:01 GMT
#20722
On April 18 2012 09:48 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 09:41 Cerotix wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On April 18 2012 05:40 Shauni wrote:
the i5 2550k is without quicksync and integrated graphics, 100mhz higher base clock though. I'm told that intel just released it to meet demands, since most gamers does not care about the IGP.

wouldnt the factory overclock be better if your planning on oc-ing it further? i thought there was something to do with warranties and them being more lenient with respect to returns due to overclocking on a card that had a slight factory OC versus doing it all once you buy it



What? The 2550k is a processor but it sounds like you're talking about graphics cards.

The majority, if not all, graphic card warranties cover overclocking without voltage modifications regardless of the model.

Intel's warranty does not cover overclocking. You need to purchase the protection plan which gives you a one time replacement.

And Intel didn't release it due to demand, they're just selling off CPUs with a defective IGP.


Yeah, that's what I implied, to meet the [demand] of the 2500k, they resorted to disabling the IGP in order to produce more chips. But aren't there any advantages with this? Doesn't the IGP use some wattage? If you disable the IGP part in the chipset doesn't the 2550k have way lower power consumption than 2500k?
Because I think I've read somewhere that Sandy Bridge processors with integrated graphics use about 10w regardless of whether it's used or not...

I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 01:22:21
April 18 2012 01:13 GMT
#20723
The wattmeter on mine tells my I use 6W while idle and about 14W while browsing the internet so i doubt it. Disabling the IGP only has the downside of not having an IGP to fall back on someday, its still resident on the chip afterall.

EDIT: Thats the total package draw which is higher than the IACores draw. That is probably where you are getting the information from but thats not from merely having an IGP.
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Seanthepawn
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada4 Posts
April 18 2012 01:26 GMT
#20724
Hey everybody, I was wondering if you could help me decide which parts to buy so I can build a functional, (ideally) above-average gaming desktop.
I'll only be using it for games unless I decide later to use it for other things, at which time I'll think about changing the setup.

1) My budget is roughly $800-$1000.

2) My resolution is 1280x1024.

3) I am using this computer exclusively for gaming purposes.

4) I've never built my own computer before and I don't know what my upgrade cycle is or will be.

5) I plan to build my computer between the months of June and September 2012.

6) I do not plan on overclocking my computer.

7) I will need an OS on this computer. Either Windows or Mac OS will be ok, I just need to be able to install games on it.

8) I'm not sure whether I should plan to ass a second GPU or not because this is my first time doing something like this. Suggestions?

9) I will be buying parts from North American based companies like Newegg.


Thanks! Let me know what you come up with please!


Sean
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 18 2012 02:00 GMT
#20725
On April 18 2012 10:26 Seanthepawn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hey everybody, I was wondering if you could help me decide which parts to buy so I can build a functional, (ideally) above-average gaming desktop.
I'll only be using it for games unless I decide later to use it for other things, at which time I'll think about changing the setup.

1) My budget is roughly $800-$1000.

2) My resolution is 1280x1024.

3) I am using this computer exclusively for gaming purposes.

4) I've never built my own computer before and I don't know what my upgrade cycle is or will be.

5) I plan to build my computer between the months of June and September 2012.

6) I do not plan on overclocking my computer.

7) I will need an OS on this computer. Either Windows or Mac OS will be ok, I just need to be able to install games on it.

8) I'm not sure whether I should plan to ass a second GPU or not because this is my first time doing something like this. Suggestions?

9) I will be buying parts from North American based companies like Newegg.


Thanks! Let me know what you come up with please!


Sean


Ask again when you have a definite build date.

CrossfireX / SLI is not needed for such a pitiful resolution. You're not overclocking so you shouldn't be doing it even if you were playing at a higher resolution.

Be more specific. What the hell is North American based? Canada? US? Mexico?
Seanthepawn
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada4 Posts
April 18 2012 02:11 GMT
#20726
Build Date July 15 2012.

I said I WASN'T going to be overclocking.

Canada.

Seanthepawn
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada4 Posts
April 18 2012 02:19 GMT
#20727
Also I'm starting from scratch so I can change my pitiful resolution.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 02:40:54
April 18 2012 02:40 GMT
#20728
Ok. then if you want a new monitor included, specify that in the questions. Also, specials change each week, so it's best to ask a few days before you're ready to buy the parts. Then we'll give you a specific list. You'll be looking at roughly an
i5-3570 or i3 or thereabouts (~$120-200)
some cheap motherboard ($55-$90)
case ~50
PSU ~50
RAM ~40
HDD ~75
DVD ~20
And some combination of monitor +gpu with the rest.

If you don't want a new monitor, then tell us what your monitor's native resolution is, not what you play at.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Seanthepawn
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada4 Posts
April 18 2012 02:57 GMT
#20729
Ok, thanks for the input. I'll get back to you when I'm ready to buy and hopefully I'll be more clear then.
U_G_L_Y
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States516 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 03:23:49
April 18 2012 03:17 GMT
#20730
Okay, so I'm back. I'm trying to stay as close to $700 as I can, my upgrade timeframe is not in the near future. The only thing I will be doing that consumes resources is Starcraft. I don't have enough time to play Starcraft so probably won't be picking up other games. (Occasional 4v4s so it needs to be able to handle that.)

What I've picked out so far, in no particular order:
+ Show Spoiler +

$13.99 SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner SATA Model SH-222BB/BEBE - OEM

$39.99 APEVIA X-Gear ATXB5KLW-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 420W Power Supply

$109.99 SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

$46.99 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL

$119.99 ASUS P8Z68-V LX LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

$179.99 Intel Core i5-2300 Sandy Bridge 2.8GHz (3.1GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 ...

$99.99 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM

$26.99 COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...

Subtotal: $637.92


3 Questions:

What would be an appropriate GPU (I''m still totally lost) for what I am doing and the components I have selected already?

Which other items are missing or need to be changed and why?

Will 420w handle this? It just seems once you get above that you've gotta spend way more but similar factory systems seem to have less...

Kind of embarassed that there are people on here asking for help that are literally half my age and have 4x my budget

PS I don't know what my monitor's "native" resolution is. It's on 1260x768...
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 03:23:03
April 18 2012 03:20 GMT
#20731
On April 18 2012 12:17 U_G_L_Y wrote:
Okay, so I'm back. I'm trying to stay as close to $700 as I can, my upgrade timeframe is not in the near future. The only thing I will be doing that consumes resources is Starcraft. I don't have enough time to play Starcraft so probably won't be picking up other games. (Occasional 4v4s so it needs to be able to handle that.)

What I've picked out so far, in no particular order:
+ Show Spoiler +

$13.99 SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner SATA Model SH-222BB/BEBE - OEM

$39.99 APEVIA X-Gear ATXB5KLW-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 420W Power Supply

$109.99 SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

$46.99 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL

$119.99 ASUS P8Z68-V LX LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

$179.99 Intel Core i5-2300 Sandy Bridge 2.8GHz (3.1GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 ...

$99.99 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM

$26.99 COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...

Subtotal: $637.92


3 Questions:

What would be an appropriate GPU (I''m still totally lost) for what I am doing and the components I have selected already?

Which other items are missing or need to be changed and why?

Will 420w handle this? It just seems once you get above that you've gotta spend way more but similar factory systems seem to have less...

Kind of embarassed that there are people on here asking for help that are literally half my age and have 4x my budget


You can increase your GPU budget quite a bit by not getting the Z68 board you aren't using any of the features of, ditch the aftermarket CPU cooler, and buy cheaper memory. Ditch the Apevia case/PSU combo, they make NO good PSUs, and I'm assuming that's why you were going to get the case.

I think I've swapped more dead Apevia PSUs than every other brand put together for friends. Get a 430-500w Antec, Corsair, or Seasonic unit. Decent quality, usually decent prices.

Also, unless you plan to stream, you can step down to an i3 2100, since SC2 only uses two cores really, to save money. Just build on an H61 mobo.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 18 2012 03:30 GMT
#20732
On April 18 2012 12:17 U_G_L_Y wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Okay, so I'm back. I'm trying to stay as close to $700 as I can, my upgrade timeframe is not in the near future. The only thing I will be doing that consumes resources is Starcraft. I don't have enough time to play Starcraft so probably won't be picking up other games. (Occasional 4v4s so it needs to be able to handle that.)

What I've picked out so far, in no particular order:
+ Show Spoiler +

$13.99 SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner SATA Model SH-222BB/BEBE - OEM

$39.99 APEVIA X-Gear ATXB5KLW-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 420W Power Supply

$109.99 SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

$46.99 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL

$119.99 ASUS P8Z68-V LX LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

$179.99 Intel Core i5-2300 Sandy Bridge 2.8GHz (3.1GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 ...

$99.99 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM

$26.99 COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...

Subtotal: $637.92


3 Questions:

What would be an appropriate GPU (I''m still totally lost) for what I am doing and the components I have selected already?

Which other items are missing or need to be changed and why?

Will 420w handle this? It just seems once you get above that you've gotta spend way more but similar factory systems seem to have less...

Kind of embarassed that there are people on here asking for help that are literally half my age and have 4x my budget ;


A quality 400w unit is more than enough to handle this configuration. The Apevia 420w unit is not a quality unit...

You are not overclocking so you can just get a H61, H67, or H77 motherboard instead of wasting money on a Z68 which you won't make use of.

You won't be needing the Hyper 212+ since you aren't overclocking.

2x4GB for $47 is overpriced, there's tons of 2x4GB kits for under $40.

Spinpoint F3's extra year of warranty is not worth the cost over a Caviar Blue or Seagate Barracuda.

If you have a LCD monitor than generally the maximum resolution is the native one. You can also generally tell by screen size so if it's 1260x768, you're probably using a screen around 17". At such a low resolution, a Radeon HD6670 would be more than fine for running Starcraft II on ultra.

You should probably buy a new monitor, unless you just like playing on a small screen.

$700 can easily get you a lot if you don't mind buying from multiple retailers. All of the cases for sub $50 on Newegg are either overpriced or have a shipping fee. I'd basically change your entire build if you are open to the idea of buying from multiple retailers.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 18 2012 03:41 GMT
#20733
Do you want to spend up to $700 or would you rather just get something cheap that can do what you want?

If you're never going to need higher-end graphics cards (you won't at the moment for SC2 on that kind of low resolution), you may as well just go with my original suggestion IMHO, if you'd rather get the lower price. Once you consider the $100 cost of Windows and elevated hard drive prices these days, $450 for everything but the graphics card, including an i5, is a good deal. I mean, it only has 4GB of RAM, but most people don't need more and adding more is not hard later, it's not an issue to add storage later (and maybe when prices are lower), and so on. The typical small business-type OEM computer is not going to have a great power supply, but at least it would be a lot better than the low-end Apevia stuff and equivalents.

An HD 7750 is hardly a great deal, but overall the total build price/performance doesn't suffer much from it. An i5 is better than an i3 for SC2, not because of extra cores, but because of Turbo Boost (so higher clock speeds effectively) and the extra cache.

On April 17 2012 08:03 Myrmidon wrote:
Put this (HD 7750; $110):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121633

in this (i5-2400, 4GB DDR3, 500GB 7200rpm hard drive, optical, chassis, power supply, Windows 7 64-bit Professional; $450):
link

U_G_L_Y
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States516 Posts
April 18 2012 04:30 GMT
#20734
On April 18 2012 12:20 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 12:17 U_G_L_Y wrote:
Okay, so I'm back. I'm trying to stay as close to $700 as I can, my upgrade timeframe is not in the near future. The only thing I will be doing that consumes resources is Starcraft. I don't have enough time to play Starcraft so probably won't be picking up other games. (Occasional 4v4s so it needs to be able to handle that.)

What I've picked out so far, in no particular order:
+ Show Spoiler +

$13.99 SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner SATA Model SH-222BB/BEBE - OEM

$39.99 APEVIA X-Gear ATXB5KLW-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 420W Power Supply

$109.99 SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

$46.99 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL

$119.99 ASUS P8Z68-V LX LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

$179.99 Intel Core i5-2300 Sandy Bridge 2.8GHz (3.1GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 ...

$99.99 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM

$26.99 COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...

Subtotal: $637.92


3 Questions:

What would be an appropriate GPU (I''m still totally lost) for what I am doing and the components I have selected already?

Which other items are missing or need to be changed and why?

Will 420w handle this? It just seems once you get above that you've gotta spend way more but similar factory systems seem to have less...

Kind of embarassed that there are people on here asking for help that are literally half my age and have 4x my budget


You can increase your GPU budget quite a bit by not getting the Z68 board you aren't using any of the features of, ditch the aftermarket CPU cooler, and buy cheaper memory. Ditch the Apevia case/PSU combo, they make NO good PSUs, and I'm assuming that's why you were going to get the case.

I think I've swapped more dead Apevia PSUs than every other brand put together for friends. Get a 430-500w Antec, Corsair, or Seasonic unit. Decent quality, usually decent prices.

Also, unless you plan to stream, you can step down to an i3 2100, since SC2 only uses two cores really, to save money. Just build on an H61 mobo.


FYI, presently, I have Athalon X2 3800+ @ 2Ghz, 2 GB Ram, Geforce 7600 GS (it was pieced together from mostly free parts, super old, total shit, and I even have latency issues in 1v1s on Metropolis. And if I tap the windows key by accident, GG, I'm out for about 2 minutes) so that is my frame of reference. I want to future-proof a bit if possible since convincing my wife that we would rather spend money on a new computer than a vacation is not a task I would like to undertake any more often than absolutely necessary.

I also like to have things running in the background like Rhapsody and SC2 gears and would like to be able to tab between them quickly.

So I thought you always needed to buy an aftermarket cooler, no?

ASUS P8H61-M LE/CSM (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard I had assumed that "Micro" meant it was for those compact computers that everyone always complains about having problems?

The cheapest 4 GB DDR3 240 pin RAM is $20, What I had was $46.99 for the pair, so when you say "get cheaper memory" do you mean DDR2, lower quantity (2GB ea or 1 4 GB stick) or just saying that I could save $7 (which is a good point)

Antec VP-450 450W ATX 12V v2.3 Power Supply $40 is about the cheapest in those specs
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 04:38:33
April 18 2012 04:37 GMT
#20735
DDR2 is not interchangeable with DDR3...

There are dozens of 2x4gb kits for around or under $40.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231422
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226249
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233192
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231308
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178333
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231426

I'd get the Earthwatts 430D for $40 over the VP450.

There is nothing wrong with mATX.

An aftermarket heatsink is only required for LGA2011. All retail LGA1155 processors include a heatsink.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
April 18 2012 04:40 GMT
#20736
On April 18 2012 13:30 U_G_L_Y wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 12:20 JingleHell wrote:
On April 18 2012 12:17 U_G_L_Y wrote:
Okay, so I'm back. I'm trying to stay as close to $700 as I can, my upgrade timeframe is not in the near future. The only thing I will be doing that consumes resources is Starcraft. I don't have enough time to play Starcraft so probably won't be picking up other games. (Occasional 4v4s so it needs to be able to handle that.)

What I've picked out so far, in no particular order:
+ Show Spoiler +

$13.99 SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner SATA Model SH-222BB/BEBE - OEM

$39.99 APEVIA X-Gear ATXB5KLW-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 420W Power Supply

$109.99 SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

$46.99 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL

$119.99 ASUS P8Z68-V LX LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

$179.99 Intel Core i5-2300 Sandy Bridge 2.8GHz (3.1GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 ...

$99.99 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM

$26.99 COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...

Subtotal: $637.92


3 Questions:

What would be an appropriate GPU (I''m still totally lost) for what I am doing and the components I have selected already?

Which other items are missing or need to be changed and why?

Will 420w handle this? It just seems once you get above that you've gotta spend way more but similar factory systems seem to have less...

Kind of embarassed that there are people on here asking for help that are literally half my age and have 4x my budget


You can increase your GPU budget quite a bit by not getting the Z68 board you aren't using any of the features of, ditch the aftermarket CPU cooler, and buy cheaper memory. Ditch the Apevia case/PSU combo, they make NO good PSUs, and I'm assuming that's why you were going to get the case.

I think I've swapped more dead Apevia PSUs than every other brand put together for friends. Get a 430-500w Antec, Corsair, or Seasonic unit. Decent quality, usually decent prices.

Also, unless you plan to stream, you can step down to an i3 2100, since SC2 only uses two cores really, to save money. Just build on an H61 mobo.


FYI, presently, I have Athalon X2 3800+ @ 2Ghz, 2 GB Ram, Geforce 7600 GS (it was pieced together from mostly free parts, super old, total shit, and I even have latency issues in 1v1s on Metropolis. And if I tap the windows key by accident, GG, I'm out for about 2 minutes) so that is my frame of reference. I want to future-proof a bit if possible since convincing my wife that we would rather spend money on a new computer than a vacation is not a task I would like to undertake any more often than absolutely necessary.

I also like to have things running in the background like Rhapsody and SC2 gears and would like to be able to tab between them quickly.

So I thought you always needed to buy an aftermarket cooler, no?

ASUS P8H61-M LE/CSM (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard I had assumed that "Micro" meant it was for those compact computers that everyone always complains about having problems?

The cheapest 4 GB DDR3 240 pin RAM is $20, What I had was $46.99 for the pair, so when you say "get cheaper memory" do you mean DDR2, lower quantity (2GB ea or 1 4 GB stick) or just saying that I could save $7 (which is a good point)

Antec VP-450 450W ATX 12V v2.3 Power Supply $40 is about the cheapest in those specs


I mean get the cheapest RAM kit you can, of DDR3 1333 Cas9. You don't really need 8GB, but if you want it, still get a cheap kit to save a few bucks.

Micro means micro-ATX, which is just a form factor. You only NEED an aftermarket cooler to overclock, although the intel stock cooler is a bit of a PITA to mount, save the money in this case.

You don't have to get an mATX mobo, but H61 is just a chipset. It has less features, but you don't need the extra features of a Z68 board anyways. They're enthusiast or niche features mostly.

Spending $40 on a PSU the first time around beats spending $40 on a PSU in 2 months when the shit Apevia one dies. If you're lucky, it won't kill anything else like the motherboard or CPU when it blows up. Most of the time they just stop putting out any juice on the 12v rail, but you never know.
U_G_L_Y
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States516 Posts
April 18 2012 04:44 GMT
#20737
On April 18 2012 12:30 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 12:17 U_G_L_Y wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Okay, so I'm back. I'm trying to stay as close to $700 as I can, my upgrade timeframe is not in the near future. The only thing I will be doing that consumes resources is Starcraft. I don't have enough time to play Starcraft so probably won't be picking up other games. (Occasional 4v4s so it needs to be able to handle that.)

What I've picked out so far, in no particular order:
+ Show Spoiler +

$13.99 SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner SATA Model SH-222BB/BEBE - OEM

$39.99 APEVIA X-Gear ATXB5KLW-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 420W Power Supply

$109.99 SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

$46.99 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL

$119.99 ASUS P8Z68-V LX LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

$179.99 Intel Core i5-2300 Sandy Bridge 2.8GHz (3.1GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 ...

$99.99 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM

$26.99 COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...

Subtotal: $637.92


3 Questions:

What would be an appropriate GPU (I''m still totally lost) for what I am doing and the components I have selected already?

Which other items are missing or need to be changed and why?

Will 420w handle this? It just seems once you get above that you've gotta spend way more but similar factory systems seem to have less...

Kind of embarassed that there are people on here asking for help that are literally half my age and have 4x my budget ;


A quality 400w unit is more than enough to handle this configuration. The Apevia 420w unit is not a quality unit...

You are not overclocking so you can just get a H61, H67, or H77 motherboard instead of wasting money on a Z68 which you won't make use of.

You won't be needing the Hyper 212+ since you aren't overclocking.

2x4GB for $47 is overpriced, there's tons of 2x4GB kits for under $40.

Spinpoint F3's extra year of warranty is not worth the cost over a Caviar Blue or Seagate Barracuda.

If you have a LCD monitor than generally the maximum resolution is the native one. You can also generally tell by screen size so if it's 1260x768, you're probably using a screen around 17". At such a low resolution, a Radeon HD6670 would be more than fine for running Starcraft II on ultra.

You should probably buy a new monitor, unless you just like playing on a small screen.

$700 can easily get you a lot if you don't mind buying from multiple retailers. All of the cases for sub $50 on Newegg are either overpriced or have a shipping fee. I'd basically change your entire build if you are open to the idea of buying from multiple retailers.


I am certainly open to buying from multiple retailers. I'm a bit leery of Seagate because I had one die and my other one has given me nothing but trouble since day 1, although it is still technically operational. I guess I'm not 100% opposed if it is a big difference in price.

Resolution actually goes higher than what it is at, I don't remember why I have it set this way (maybe had something to do with Broodwar?) It was my CRT replacement, via a Best Buy gift card I won, so I'm not attached. (Acer P191W) but I NEED a new machine to do what I want and I can make due (unfortunately) with my peripherals for a while longer
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 18 2012 04:57 GMT
#20738
Seagate owns Samsung's HDD division now so >.>

A Caviar Blue 1TB can be had for or under $90 with free shipping at NCIX occasionally. You'll find it for $100 with free shipping on Newegg and Amazon. So the price difference between the two is like $20. Seagate Barracudas are $80 or less.

You'll find budget power supplies like a Neo Eco 400C, CX430v2, CX400, etc for $35 or less on NCIX occasionally.
U_G_L_Y
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States516 Posts
April 18 2012 05:02 GMT
#20739
On April 18 2012 12:41 Myrmidon wrote:
Do you want to spend up to $700 or would you rather just get something cheap that can do what you want?

If you're never going to need higher-end graphics cards (you won't at the moment for SC2 on that kind of low resolution), you may as well just go with my original suggestion IMHO, if you'd rather get the lower price. Once you consider the $100 cost of Windows and elevated hard drive prices these days, $450 for everything but the graphics card, including an i5, is a good deal. I mean, it only has 4GB of RAM, but most people don't need more and adding more is not hard later, it's not an issue to add storage later (and maybe when prices are lower), and so on. The typical small business-type OEM computer is not going to have a great power supply, but at least it would be a lot better than the low-end Apevia stuff and equivalents.

An HD 7750 is hardly a great deal, but overall the total build price/performance doesn't suffer much from it. An i5 is better than an i3 for SC2, not because of extra cores, but because of Turbo Boost (so higher clock speeds effectively) and the extra cache.

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On April 17 2012 08:03 Myrmidon wrote:
Put this (HD 7750; $110):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121633

in this (i5-2400, 4GB DDR3, 500GB 7200rpm hard drive, optical, chassis, power supply, Windows 7 64-bit Professional; $450):
link


Well I'm not hell-bent on spending exactly $700 but I also don't want to have to upgrade or buy another one because I can't play a 4v4 at a LAN party when Legacy of the Void comes out, either; I would like the ability to add a second or larger monitor when I have the opportunity and tab in and out of SC2 instantly if possible to fix my music and surf while I'm waiting for friends or practice partners to log in...

Would that handcuff me?
ryswilso
Profile Joined June 2011
United States13 Posts
April 18 2012 07:47 GMT
#20740
Hey guys. Instead of posting a full detailed I'll link the Craigslist ad. Debating on buying a desktop as I've had laptops since the end of HS and through college to current. Is this a deal or what's a good offer for him on this? Really would appreciate it. Craigslist Desktop Ad

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