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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 08:09:50
April 18 2012 07:49 GMT
#20741
No, don't bother. Shitty AMD system with a fairly average GPU.

Edit:

I should clarify. A prebuilt system is worth it if you are getting something out of it whether it be proper aftermarket sound proofing (Puget), design/engineering (Apple), or post-sales support (OEM business-grade machines). If it doesn't offer that, nearly 95% of the time you will get more by buying the desktop parts and building it yourself.

For a little less than $700, I think I could build a pretty neat i5-2400 + HD6770 machine which should outperform what he has. You've got less hard disk space but you've got actual warranty and a free game.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 08:08:15
April 18 2012 08:05 GMT
#20742
On April 18 2012 13:30 U_G_L_Y wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 12:20 JingleHell wrote:
On April 18 2012 12:17 U_G_L_Y wrote:
Okay, so I'm back. I'm trying to stay as close to $700 as I can, my upgrade timeframe is not in the near future. The only thing I will be doing that consumes resources is Starcraft. I don't have enough time to play Starcraft so probably won't be picking up other games. (Occasional 4v4s so it needs to be able to handle that.)

What I've picked out so far, in no particular order:
+ Show Spoiler +

$13.99 SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner SATA Model SH-222BB/BEBE - OEM

$39.99 APEVIA X-Gear ATXB5KLW-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 420W Power Supply

$109.99 SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

$46.99 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL

$119.99 ASUS P8Z68-V LX LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

$179.99 Intel Core i5-2300 Sandy Bridge 2.8GHz (3.1GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 ...

$99.99 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM

$26.99 COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...

Subtotal: $637.92


3 Questions:

What would be an appropriate GPU (I''m still totally lost) for what I am doing and the components I have selected already?

Which other items are missing or need to be changed and why?

Will 420w handle this? It just seems once you get above that you've gotta spend way more but similar factory systems seem to have less...

Kind of embarassed that there are people on here asking for help that are literally half my age and have 4x my budget


You can increase your GPU budget quite a bit by not getting the Z68 board you aren't using any of the features of, ditch the aftermarket CPU cooler, and buy cheaper memory. Ditch the Apevia case/PSU combo, they make NO good PSUs, and I'm assuming that's why you were going to get the case.

I think I've swapped more dead Apevia PSUs than every other brand put together for friends. Get a 430-500w Antec, Corsair, or Seasonic unit. Decent quality, usually decent prices.

Also, unless you plan to stream, you can step down to an i3 2100, since SC2 only uses two cores really, to save money. Just build on an H61 mobo.


And if I tap the windows key by accident, GG, I'm out for about 2 minutes


You can disable the windows key in the options menu in the meantime.


On April 18 2012 16:47 ryswilso wrote:
Hey guys. Instead of posting a full detailed I'll link the Craigslist ad. Debating on buying a desktop as I've had laptops since the end of HS and through college to current. Is this a deal or what's a good offer for him on this? Really would appreciate it. Craigslist Desktop Ad



Whole build is shit. He probably doesnt want to be seen using it. Entire computer needs a new everything, doesnt even mention a PSU so thats probably shit as well. The only thing i see on that computer is 2 sticks of RAM, an OS, and a hard drive that i wouldnt count on.

I would offer maybe $130. And that's high for me.
twitch.tv/medrea
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
April 18 2012 08:39 GMT
#20743
On April 18 2012 16:47 ryswilso wrote:
Hey guys. Instead of posting a full detailed I'll link the Craigslist ad. Debating on buying a desktop as I've had laptops since the end of HS and through college to current. Is this a deal or what's a good offer for him on this? Really would appreciate it. Craigslist Desktop Ad


I'm wondering how it originally cost him $1500 for that PoS. Even if it was a prebuilt, that's some serious, serious markup they have going on for those budget bin components.
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
April 18 2012 08:50 GMT
#20744
Craigslist works in mysterious ways.
twitch.tv/medrea
ryswilso
Profile Joined June 2011
United States13 Posts
April 18 2012 11:46 GMT
#20745
Thanks fellas. TL FTW.
sykiz
Profile Joined February 2012
5 Posts
April 18 2012 13:32 GMT
#20746
hey guys. im planning on building a hardcore gaming pc before the 15th may, and im looking for help because i never built a pc by myself before.

my budget is unlimited tbh.. but i dont really want to spend more than 2.5k if possible.. i need a really powerful pc that will allow me to run d3/sc2 on ultra with no lag.. i also have 2x27inch screen.I want to be able to tab out at anytime without lag aswell if that makes sence. ill buy my stuff from newegg( im in canada) mainly because its the best site i know for electronics parts.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
April 18 2012 14:28 GMT
#20747
On April 18 2012 22:32 sykiz wrote:
hey guys. im planning on building a hardcore gaming pc before the 15th may, and im looking for help because i never built a pc by myself before.

my budget is unlimited tbh.. but i dont really want to spend more than 2.5k if possible.. i need a really powerful pc that will allow me to run d3/sc2 on ultra with no lag.. i also have 2x27inch screen.I want to be able to tab out at anytime without lag aswell if that makes sence. ill buy my stuff from newegg( im in canada) mainly because its the best site i know for electronics parts.


Ok here is where things get problematic.

You have a huge budget in tough economic times. Your needs require not even $600 but your willing to drop over 4 times that. So its a bigger question of what you really want versus how much you like keeping your money.

If you were serious about spending that kinda big bucks, its advised you spend a lot of the money on a nice desk. An excellent chair. Good Peripherals and the like. But definitely not all of the money on the build.
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sykiz
Profile Joined February 2012
5 Posts
April 18 2012 15:28 GMT
#20748
On April 18 2012 23:28 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 22:32 sykiz wrote:
hey guys. im planning on building a hardcore gaming pc before the 15th may, and im looking for help because i never built a pc by myself before.

my budget is unlimited tbh.. but i dont really want to spend more than 2.5k if possible.. i need a really powerful pc that will allow me to run d3/sc2 on ultra with no lag.. i also have 2x27inch screen.I want to be able to tab out at anytime without lag aswell if that makes sence. ill buy my stuff from newegg( im in canada) mainly because its the best site i know for electronics parts.


Ok here is where things get problematic.

You have a huge budget in tough economic times. Your needs require not even $600 but your willing to drop over 4 times that. So its a bigger question of what you really want versus how much you like keeping your money.

If you were serious about spending that kinda big bucks, its advised you spend a lot of the money on a nice desk. An excellent chair. Good Peripherals and the like. But definitely not all of the money on the build.



my keyboard is a razer blackwidow ultimate
my mouse is a razer mamba
my headset is a ttesport shock one
my chair is pretty decent aswell

if u say that i can get what i need for 600$ im glad to hear that.. would u mind telling me what i should get?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 18 2012 16:20 GMT
#20749
Well you need to provide us information first if you want a recommendation... is your 27" monitor 2560x1400, a 120Hz 1080p, or just regular shitty 1080p?

Are you going to need an operating system?

Are you going to overclock?

Newegg also sucks.
Astronaut
Profile Joined September 2010
United States52 Posts
April 18 2012 17:50 GMT
#20750
I'm looking for a new Mobo/CPU for my machine. I would like to start streaming, and do plan to overclock. Only using 1920x1080, 60 Hz. I may, in the future, go SLI / Crossfire for Eyefinity. Currently I have a GTX570, Corsair GS600 PSU, and Coolermaster Hyper 212 cooling unit, and a crappy Dell StudioXPS9000 case.

I believe the i5 2500k would be fine, but I don't know much about motherboards. Any out there that will get me through a few years? Finally, any good deals out there? I hear Newegg sucks (as skyR recently informed us) and that's where I've done my most recent shopping. Not too concerned about the price, but lower is obviously better (not a huge fan of rebates but I'll give it a try.) Located in Northeast USA.

Thanks in advance.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
April 18 2012 17:52 GMT
#20751
On April 19 2012 02:50 Astronaut wrote:
I'm looking for a new Mobo/CPU for my machine. I would like to start streaming, and do plan to overclock. Only using 1920x1080, 60 Hz. I may, in the future, go SLI / Crossfire for Eyefinity. Currently I have a GTX570, Corsair GS600 PSU, and Coolermaster Hyper 212 cooling unit, and a crappy Dell StudioXPS9000 case.

I believe the i5 2500k would be fine, but I don't know much about motherboards. Any out there that will get me through a few years? Finally, any good deals out there? I hear Newegg sucks (as skyR recently informed us) and that's where I've done my most recent shopping. Not too concerned about the price, but lower is obviously better (not a huge fan of rebates but I'll give it a try.) Located in Northeast USA.

Thanks in advance.


Newegg sucks in Canada, specifically. They're not terrible in the USA, and beat most of the other big retailers. You can also check MC or NCIXUS. Fry's should be left for convenience buys usually, if you have one local enough to drive to.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 18 2012 17:56 GMT
#20752
You'd probably want a new case as well... since Dell cases aren't exactly suited for SLI lol.

2500k will be fine.

Z77A-G43 would be a budget board capable of SLI for $120: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130646 , G45 is a step up for $150: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130645
Astronaut
Profile Joined September 2010
United States52 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 18:06:43
April 18 2012 18:04 GMT
#20753
So something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.875481

would be a decent combination?

Edit: And deal?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 18 2012 18:19 GMT
#20754
Not really.

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57962&promoid=1259
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=69230&promoid=1259
Astronaut
Profile Joined September 2010
United States52 Posts
April 18 2012 18:32 GMT
#20755
Thanks, I appreciate the help. I'm sure I'll be back when I decide to get a new case =P
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
April 19 2012 01:45 GMT
#20756
whats the difference between a 1333 ram and a 2133 ram?
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 19 2012 01:47 GMT
#20757
It's significantly more expensive and only marginally better. Spend your money elsewhere first before memory.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 01:51:32
April 19 2012 01:47 GMT
#20758
On April 19 2012 10:45 mTwTT1 wrote:
whats the difference between a 1333 ram and a 2133 ram?


800Mhz.

Or, in performance for most tasks? Very fucking little. Certain things, like encoding and compression, will get reasonable but minor gains from faster memory, gaming, not very noticeable even on CPU intense games like SC2.

Like skyR says, meh.

Plus, it usually just means it actually got tested at those speeds. You can frequently run 1333 Cas9 rated memory at 1600 Cas7 or 8 with minor voltage tweaks, for a lot less money. Given the slim improvements, it's usually better to just buy a low voltage rated cas9 1333 kit and clock it up.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=245087

There's where I tested SC2 performance with RAM speeds. You'll notice that most of the performance differences from RAM are so small as to be well within a reasonable margin of error for not running a clean benching partition?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 19 2012 02:31 GMT
#20759
If you're into the whole tweaking-for-next-to-no-benefit thing, AFAIK that 1600 MHz low-profile, low-voltage Samsung RAM apparently does very well overvolted, and it is not that expensive.

It's this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096
http://www.jr.com/samsung/pe/SAM_MV3V4G3DUS/
http://www.frys.com/product/6798205

This is a rare situation where I recommend checking the newegg reviews.
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 04:04:12
April 19 2012 03:56 GMT
#20760
I need to buy a Powerline kit. Is there any big difference between models? I'm looking at local NCIX stores, and probably buying tomorrow.

I'm not sure if I need 500MB/s. I think my bandwidth is 25 Mb/s (though I'll never get that haha).

EDIT:

I can buy and return if they don't work also. Looking at these three cause they're high on the list and there's a bunch more reviews.

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