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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 02:20:09
April 16 2012 02:18 GMT
#20641
On April 16 2012 07:43 mTwTT1 wrote:
ok im ready to build my computer!

budget: 1k-1.5k, should be enought for wat im looking for but im willing to go higher if theres a huge difference in performance

requirements: - i want a lagless gaming experience while streaming SC2 at 1080p(basically high fps while streaming) and i want my computer to be extremely quiet
- i will OC my cpu
- i dont need an OS
- gonna buy the parts from ncix.ca


You only play SC2 right? (I guess maybe LoL or some other games on the side, but it seems like that should be the majority of your gaming needs?)

I would imagine something like a Radeon 7850 would be more than enough for just that. On the other hand, I think you will want an i7-2600K for streaming as lagless as possible. (Would it make sense to build a 2011 computer? I guess it might... then again the entire thing doesn't necessarily need to be high end since its just SC2. But I guess extra cores could help for streaming?)

Case would be a Fractal Design Define R3 or the Corsair 550D I believe (100-150$) if you want it to be quiet. Keep in mind that a quiet build makes temperatures worse when you overclock (if its high). For a cooler, you would get the Hyper 212+ or a Noctua NH-D14... the second one being better. I just know those two are good choices, while there could be others.

You'd want an SSD, and since you don't really need a great graphics card, you could probably get an Intel 520 or Samsung 830 (I think the Intel is slightly more expensive, but also Intel is reliable). You could get a bigger 7200 RPM hard drive as well if you need it.

I don't think you'll need more than 550W either. I don't know the best power supply available in Canada, but generally Antec, Corsair, XFX should be fine.

I didn't make a build because I can't optimize stuff and I only know general knowledge. Skyr and others are much better at that than me... obv. This is just an idea of what you should need.

To the post above me (on the last page): I think a 7970 is way overkill. Plus, an Antec 300 is out of date. I think an SSD would be better in that case. Everything else is generally what you'd want, although maybe not optimized (not criticizing, I just have no idea if it is).
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iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 02:31:35
April 16 2012 02:26 GMT
#20642
On April 16 2012 11:18 Alryk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On April 16 2012 07:43 mTwTT1 wrote:
ok im ready to build my computer!

budget: 1k-1.5k, should be enought for wat im looking for but im willing to go higher if theres a huge difference in performance

requirements: - i want a lagless gaming experience while streaming SC2 at 1080p(basically high fps while streaming) and i want my computer to be extremely quiet
- i will OC my cpu
- i dont need an OS
- gonna buy the parts from ncix.ca


You only play SC2 right? (I guess maybe LoL or some other games on the side, but it seems like that should be the majority of your gaming needs?)

I would imagine something like a Radeon 7850 would be more than enough for just that. On the other hand, I think you will want an i7-2600K for streaming as lagless as possible. (Would it make sense to build a 2011 computer? I guess it might... then again the entire thing doesn't necessarily need to be high end since its just SC2. But I guess extra cores could help for streaming?)

Case would be a Fractal Design Define R3 or the Corsair 550D I believe (100-150$) if you want it to be quiet. Keep in mind that a quiet build makes temperatures worse when you overclock (if its high). For a cooler, you would get the Hyper 212+ or a Noctua NH-D14... the second one being better. I just know those two are good choices, while there could be others.

You'd want an SSD, and since you don't really need a great graphics card, you could probably get an Intel 520 or Samsung 830 (I think the Intel is slightly more expensive, but also Intel is reliable). You could get a bigger 7200 RPM hard drive as well if you need it.

I don't think you'll need more than 550W either. I don't know the best power supply available in Canada, but generally Antec, Corsair, XFX should be fine.

I didn't make a build because I can't optimize stuff and I only know general knowledge. Skyr and others are much better at that than me... obv. This is just an idea of what you should need.

To the post above me (on the last page): I think a 7970 is way overkill. Plus, an Antec 300 is out of date. I think an SSD would be better in that case. Everything else is generally what you'd want, although maybe not optimized (not criticizing, I just have no idea if it is).


Yeah I had no clue for Cases...So I picked a generic one that skyr recommended a lot a while ago.

IDK TT1 specified a 1500 Budget and a 1500 Budget is on the cusp of enthusiast. So a 7970 makes sense.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 16 2012 02:34 GMT
#20643
On April 16 2012 07:43 mTwTT1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
ok im ready to build my computer!

budget: 1k-1.5k, should be enought for wat im looking for but im willing to go higher if theres a huge difference in performance

requirements: - i want a lagless gaming experience while streaming SC2 at 1080p(basically high fps while streaming) and i want my computer to be extremely quiet
- i will OC my cpu
- i dont need an OS
- gonna buy the parts from ncix.ca


$1251 before mail in rebates, applicable taxes, and other fees.

Corsair 550D @ $122 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11180AC8844 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=66726

ASUS DirectCu II Radeon HD7850 @ $250 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530BD5564 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=69864

Intel Core i7 2600k @ $295
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57960&promoid=1259

MSI Z77A-G43 @ $120 ($100 after mail in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=69230&promoid=1201

Crucial M4 128gb @ $143 (pricematch with http://www.hookbag.ca/product/H3C06ML4Y/ )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60445

Mushkin 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $40
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55544&promoid=1259

Noctua NH-D14 @ $72 (pricematch with http://www.computervalley.ca/nh-d14/noctua-nh-d14-cpu-cooler-1-x-120-mm-1-x-140-mm-1200-rpm-1300-rpm-2-x-sso-bearing )
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=47090

Seasonic X560 @ $113 (pricematch with http://www.agileelectronics.ca/prod_details/tab/details.asp?prod_id=R-X-560-A )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55672

DVD Burner @ $17 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/239388/LG_Electronics/GH24NS90/ )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=66853&promoid=1259

Seagate Barracuda 500GB @ $79
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=63468&promoid=1259
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 02:37:46
April 16 2012 02:35 GMT
#20644
On April 16 2012 11:26 iTzSnypah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 11:18 Alryk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On April 16 2012 07:43 mTwTT1 wrote:
ok im ready to build my computer!

budget: 1k-1.5k, should be enought for wat im looking for but im willing to go higher if theres a huge difference in performance

requirements: - i want a lagless gaming experience while streaming SC2 at 1080p(basically high fps while streaming) and i want my computer to be extremely quiet
- i will OC my cpu
- i dont need an OS
- gonna buy the parts from ncix.ca


You only play SC2 right? (I guess maybe LoL or some other games on the side, but it seems like that should be the majority of your gaming needs?)

I would imagine something like a Radeon 7850 would be more than enough for just that. On the other hand, I think you will want an i7-2600K for streaming as lagless as possible. (Would it make sense to build a 2011 computer? I guess it might... then again the entire thing doesn't necessarily need to be high end since its just SC2. But I guess extra cores could help for streaming?)

Case would be a Fractal Design Define R3 or the Corsair 550D I believe (100-150$) if you want it to be quiet. Keep in mind that a quiet build makes temperatures worse when you overclock (if its high). For a cooler, you would get the Hyper 212+ or a Noctua NH-D14... the second one being better. I just know those two are good choices, while there could be others.

You'd want an SSD, and since you don't really need a great graphics card, you could probably get an Intel 520 or Samsung 830 (I think the Intel is slightly more expensive, but also Intel is reliable). You could get a bigger 7200 RPM hard drive as well if you need it.

I don't think you'll need more than 550W either. I don't know the best power supply available in Canada, but generally Antec, Corsair, XFX should be fine.

I didn't make a build because I can't optimize stuff and I only know general knowledge. Skyr and others are much better at that than me... obv. This is just an idea of what you should need.

To the post above me (on the last page): I think a 7970 is way overkill. Plus, an Antec 300 is out of date. I think an SSD would be better in that case. Everything else is generally what you'd want, although maybe not optimized (not criticizing, I just have no idea if it is).


Yeah I had no clue for Cases...So I picked a generic one that skyr recommended a lot a while ago.

IDK TT1 specified a 1500 Budget and a 1500 Budget is on the cusp of enthusiast. So a 7970 makes sense.


Well yeah, but its unnecessary Why would you buy a 7970 when 1080P ultra details look exactly the same on a 7850? I don't think he -needs- to spend that. At least, it would probably be better to invest in either a better CPU, SSD, a better cooler, or peripherals like the monitor if his sponsors don't demand he use a certain one. After all, SC2 isn't GPU intensive at all. If he was playing battlefield 3 for 8 hours a day, it would make sense, but I don't think so for SC2.

Or he could use the money for a fancy dinner

Edit: TT1, take Skyr's build and go own some Koreans with it!
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
April 16 2012 04:24 GMT
#20645
Ivy Bridge a week early!

Cool little tidbit if it's true Although I suppose with the overclocking news its more important news for laptop users than desktop. (Although I guess lower builds will surely get plenty of use from IVB)
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 16 2012 04:26 GMT
#20646
Toms is slow on the news.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
April 16 2012 04:47 GMT
#20647
Haha, that's just where I saw it, just posting it here since I still saw some people referencing the 29th as of a few days ago. I was just browsing random tech sites from boredom
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
SleepTech
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States222 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 12:57:19
April 16 2012 12:25 GMT
#20648
I think I may be having power supply issues.

I bought this PSU last June.
Antec EarthWatts EA-500D Green 500W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371035

On Wednesday I woke up and my computer was off. My wife said my 18mo old had touched the case, but didn't think she did anything to it. I went to power it on and no power came on at all. I switched out the power cord out the back of the case and it fired right up.

Today, I was on my computer for about 5 hours, let it go to sleep mode, and then when I came back to it, it was powered off. Not having another power cord to test, I just wiggled the power cord in the back a little, reslotted it and it fired up again.

Two weeks ago, I dusted out my computer with a can of air. Could dust have gotten into the PSU and made it go bad? Is this a faulty PSU or is it just the luck of two faulty power cords? They are both quite old power cords.

EDIT for specs:

i5 2500
z68 asrock MB extreme3 gen3
16gb Ram
560ti MSI GPU
64gb SSD boot drive
1tb Hard drive
500 watt antec PSU

DMTsyncope
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands46 Posts
April 16 2012 12:42 GMT
#20649
Hey all, i've been browsing through this thread a little bit. And i was wondering if anyone
ever tried livestreaming with a laptop.
I just ordered a new laptop today:
Intel® Core™ i7-2670QM 6Mb Cache, 2.20 GHZ (3.1GHZ Turbo mode / Quad Core - 8 threads)
Nvidia Geforce GT555m (2gb ddr3)
2x4GB Corsair Vengeance 1600mhz DDR3 Memory
500gb hdd.
etc.
etc.

Would this be enough to stream?(480p or 720p) cause i think it sure would suffice if it were a desktop, but i have no idea how this would work on a laptop. Cause usually a laptop will perform less then a desktop with the same specs.

Thanks in advance!
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 12:51:45
April 16 2012 12:48 GMT
#20650
On April 16 2012 21:42 DMTsyncope wrote:
Hey all, i've been browsing through this thread a little bit. And i was wondering if anyone
ever tried livestreaming with a laptop.
I just ordered a new laptop today:
Intel® Core™ i7-2670QM 6Mb Cache, 2.20 GHZ (3.1GHZ Turbo mode / Quad Core - 8 threads)
Nvidia Geforce GT555m (2gb ddr3)
2x4GB Corsair Vengeance 1600mhz DDR3 Memory
500gb hdd.
etc.
etc.

Would this be enough to stream?(480p or 720p) cause i think it sure would suffice if it were a desktop, but i have no idea how this would work on a laptop. Cause usually a laptop will perform less then a desktop with the same specs.

Thanks in advance!

Prob 480P, maybe 720? An i5-2400 is clocked way higher but thus has HT so if your thermals are good it might be ok.but I don't think streaming on a laptop really works very well.

To sleeptech, we need your specs. There shouldn't be anything wrong with the power supply, at least it shouldn't blow up on you from bad build quality. Although defective or faulty hardware does exist...
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
April 16 2012 13:00 GMT
#20651
On April 16 2012 21:25 SleepTech wrote:
I think I may be having power supply issues.

I bought this PSU last June.
Antec EarthWatts EA-500D Green 500W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371035

On Wednesday I woke up and my computer was off. My wife said my 18mo old had touched the case, but didn't think she did anything to it. I went to power it on and no power came on at all. I switched out the power cord out the back of the case and it fired right up.

Today, I was on my computer for about 5 hours, let it go to sleep mode, and then when I came back to it, it was powered off. Not having another power cord to test, I just wiggled the power cord in the back a little, reslotted it and it fired up again.

Two weeks ago, I dusted out my computer with a can of air. Could dust have gotten into the PSU and made it go bad? Is this a faulty PSU or is it just the luck of two faulty power cords? They are both quite old power cords.

EDIT for specs:

i5 2500
z68 asrock MB extreme3 gen3
16gb Ram
560ti MSI GPU
64gb SSD boot drive
1tb Hard drive
500 watt antec PSU



Make sure everything is seated and plugged in inside the case.

My toddler isn't being himself if he's not causing me to troubleshoot stuff. He's really fond of unseating my GPUs. Also, baby powder dumped in your case is bad.
ForgottenOne
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania236 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 15:53:47
April 16 2012 15:49 GMT
#20652
Urgent help:

I want to order an SSD 120 GB today. Was thinking to get
http://www.emag.ro/solid-state_drive_ssd_/hdd-intel-solid-state-drive-ssd-520-series-120gb-sata-3-25-retail--pINSSDSC2CW120A3K5

or a cheaper one (say http://www.emag.ro/solid-state_drive_ssd_/solid-state-drive-ssd-force-series-25-120gb-sata3--pCSSD-F120GB3-BK).

The store from where I want to get it lets me return the product in 30 days no questions asked so I really have time to test a cheaper one (by 50 EUR) (eg. the Force Series).

My question is wether should I put the extra 50 EUR in and go with the Intel or get a cheaper one (considering that I can replace it with little effort as many times as I need - the store is next to my building, too).


I also don't see for Intel if it has (or needs TRIM) or other things. (I have Win 7 Ultimate).

Other posibilities:
+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.emag.ro/solid-state_drive_ssd_/solid-state-drive-ssd-mushkin-chronos-mknssdcr120gb-120gb-sata-3--pMKNSSDCR120GB
http://www.emag.ro/solid-state_drive_ssd_/flash-ssd-120gb-ssdnow-v-200-sata-3-25--pSVP200S3120G
http://www.emag.ro/solid-state_drive_ssd_/solid-state-drive-ssd-ocz-agt3-25sat3-120g-25-120gb-sata-iii--pAGT3-25SAT3-120G
http://www.emag.ro/solid-state_drive_ssd_/solid-state-drive-ssd-samsung-830-series-25-128gb-sata-iii--pMZ-7PC128BWW
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 16 2012 15:56 GMT
#20653
Get the Samsung 830 instead:
http://www.emag.ro/solid-state_drive_ssd_/solid-state-drive-ssd-samsung-830-series-25-128gb-sata-iii--pMZ-7PC128BWW

30 days is not necessarily sufficient to test, and it would be a hassle anyway.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10104 Posts
April 16 2012 16:01 GMT
#20654
ty guys
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
ForgottenOne
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania236 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 16:09:06
April 16 2012 16:01 GMT
#20655
Blazing fast answer! Thank you, sir! (The store closes in 1 h )

EDIT.
Oh, wait, there's another Samsung...
so it's
http://www.emag.ro/solid-state_drive_ssd_/solid-state-drive-ssd-samsung-830-series-25-128gb-sata-iii--pMZ-7PC128BWW
or
http://www.emag.ro/solid-state_drive_ssd_/solid-state-drive-ssd-samsung-830-series-25-128gb-sata-iii--pMZ-7PC128DEU

(I know u gave the link for the 1st but maybe you dindn't know there's the second option and maybe is better.)
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10104 Posts
April 16 2012 16:16 GMT
#20656
On April 16 2012 13:24 Alryk wrote:
Ivy Bridge a week early!

Cool little tidbit if it's true Although I suppose with the overclocking news its more important news for laptop users than desktop. (Although I guess lower builds will surely get plenty of use from IVB)


i just got my new laptop from xmg and it has an ivy bridge cpu(i7 3920xm), was hoping that id be able to stream on it even if it was a laptop but sadly i had no such luck =/
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 16 2012 16:27 GMT
#20657
On April 17 2012 01:01 ForgottenOne wrote:
Blazing fast answer! Thank you, sir! (The store closes in 1 h )

EDIT.
Oh, wait, there's another Samsung...
so it's
http://www.emag.ro/solid-state_drive_ssd_/solid-state-drive-ssd-samsung-830-series-25-128gb-sata-iii--pMZ-7PC128BWW
or
http://www.emag.ro/solid-state_drive_ssd_/solid-state-drive-ssd-samsung-830-series-25-128gb-sata-iii--pMZ-7PC128DEU

(I know u gave the link for the 1st but maybe you dindn't know there's the second option and maybe is better.)


It's the same drive, just different packages. The cheaper one is probably just the drive itself, while the other one is the full retail box with the SSD and maybe some extras like a SATA cable, screws, etc.? Some retail boxes pack a 2.5" -> 3.5" adapter or software; I forget what Samsung does.
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
April 16 2012 16:32 GMT
#20658
On April 17 2012 01:16 mTwTT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 13:24 Alryk wrote:
Ivy Bridge a week early!

Cool little tidbit if it's true Although I suppose with the overclocking news its more important news for laptop users than desktop. (Although I guess lower builds will surely get plenty of use from IVB)


i just got my new laptop from xmg and it has an ivy bridge cpu(i7 3920xm), was hoping that id be able to stream on it even if it was a laptop but sadly i had no such luck =/


I find this quite interesting. It's a Quad-core Ivy with HyperThreading and runs at 2.9GHz when more than 4 threads are used (which will be the case when playing + streaming SC2) - should be maybe equivalent to a i7 2600K @ about 3.1GHz... it should have no problem whatsoever with a nice 720p+ (maybe even 1080) as long as your upload speed is decent (hopefully at least 3Mbps, preferably 5+)

So if I may ask, how come it's not working out?
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10104 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 16:45:01
April 16 2012 16:43 GMT
#20659
On April 17 2012 01:32 Wabbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 01:16 mTwTT1 wrote:
On April 16 2012 13:24 Alryk wrote:
Ivy Bridge a week early!

Cool little tidbit if it's true Although I suppose with the overclocking news its more important news for laptop users than desktop. (Although I guess lower builds will surely get plenty of use from IVB)


i just got my new laptop from xmg and it has an ivy bridge cpu(i7 3920xm), was hoping that id be able to stream on it even if it was a laptop but sadly i had no such luck =/


I find this quite interesting. It's a Quad-core Ivy with HyperThreading and runs at 2.9GHz when more than 4 threads are used (which will be the case when playing + streaming SC2) - should be maybe equivalent to a i7 2600K @ about 3.1GHz... it should have no problem whatsoever with a nice 720p+ (maybe even 1080) as long as your upload speed is decent (hopefully at least 3Mbps, preferably 5+)

So if I may ask, how come it's not working out?


dunno i get like 60-70 fps once the game starts while im streaming, i have 7mbps upload
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
April 16 2012 17:30 GMT
#20660
I have some wonderings about the new Z77 motherboards. I wanted to buy an mATX with at least 4 6gb sata ports, but it seems like the default is 2 6gb and 4 3gb. Probably shitty intel chipset is to blame again? A few motherboards from asrock and asus deviate from this by adding 2 asmedia 6gb ports. I can't find any reliable info on how good they are in comparison to the normal 6gb intel sata ports. Help!
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