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Sweden33719 Posts
Well, they haven't revealed ANY bnet 2.0 specific features really, I mean the replay rewind etc has nothing to do with that.
I'm so confused about why they decided to reveal what WONT be in before revealing what WILL. Maybe they wanted to make sure there was only positive thoughts once they announced it? Maybe they saw how many people were asking about LAN/Replays and decided to answer those (since these questions have been asked for a couple of years)?
I feel like maybe I'll be totally surprised by what they announce, once they get around to it, but it doesn't really change how bad I think this particular piece of news is.
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What a stinking pile of horse shit. Seriously, what gives
Watching replays alone blows ass compared to watching with friends.
And yeah
The whole way Blizzard is approaching this is kinda aggravating
It's like
"HAY GUIZE the new bnet has all this SUPER AWSUM stuff, but we're not going to tell you what it is! hahaha!
instead, here's all the shitty parts about it and things we aren't including for your viewing pleasure"
I guess there's probably a reason why they have no problem leaking information about things B.net 2.0 DOESN'T have and CAN'T do, while being so secretive about the supposed awesome features it will have... But still, it's just kinda annoying.
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Well at least I can stop worrying about buying sc2 before it get's sold out. I am only gonna get my internet back again when I see they have added viewing replays to the bnet2.0. No point in buying the game otherwise, single player missions will be the same months later anyways.
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On July 05 2009 06:51 FrozenArbiter wrote:
I'm so confused about why they decided to reveal what WONT be in before revealing what WILL. Maybe they wanted to make sure there was only positive thoughts once they announced it? Maybe they saw how many people were asking about LAN/Replays and decided to answer those (since these questions have been asked for a couple of years)?
So it doesn't come back to bite them in the ass later. If we get disappointed now then there will be less complaining and disappointment later when we actually get the game and they won't have to deal with as many rabid fans of the original going "wtf blizz".
Kinda like Warhammer Online. They announced tons of cool shit they were doing with the game then a month before release they went "Sorry its not ready for release". People complained, they knew EA was doing it so they would have an edge on WoW's expansion, but once the game was out everyone forgot about it because they were just glad to be playing.
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This is the first thing I'm actually sort of mad at Blizzard for. Everything else so far has been excusable, but this is really annoying.
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On July 05 2009 07:25 Chuiu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2009 06:51 FrozenArbiter wrote:
I'm so confused about why they decided to reveal what WONT be in before revealing what WILL. Maybe they wanted to make sure there was only positive thoughts once they announced it? Maybe they saw how many people were asking about LAN/Replays and decided to answer those (since these questions have been asked for a couple of years)? So it doesn't come back to bite them in the ass later. If we get disappointed now then there will be less complaining and disappointment later when we actually get the game and they won't have to deal with as many rabid fans of the original going "wtf blizz". Kinda like Warhammer Online. They announced tons of cool shit they were doing with the game then a month before release they went "Sorry its not ready for release". People complained, they knew EA was doing it so they would have an edge on WoW's expansion, but once the game was out everyone forgot about it because they were just glad to be playing.
I'm actually starting to think that too. Get all the bad news out of the way, then announce the good. It's definitely better than the other way around.
It still doesn't diminish my disappointment though, because online replays was something I was really hoping for.
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On July 05 2009 05:44 FrozenArbiter wrote:
The thing is, how exactly is bnet 2.0 going to "amaze me" when it doesn't even have BASIC features like watching replays online (not being able to do that killed WC3 for me btw)? There's no LAN, there's no usermade tournaments (for release), infact, so far they haven't mentioned anything cool that will be in, only things I expected to be in that won't.
This says it so well. Don't you have good connections with Blizz guys so you can bring this up to someone personally?
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Well, the most important battle.net feature is missing. Sounds promising...
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Maybe
- they don't think they have enough "new" features to release with the expansions so they're holding back on some of the stuff so they have more to hype with a year later
- they're concerned it's just a step away from replacing watching games on gaming channels - where the serious money will hopefully be - maybe that's also the reason they didn't include it in war3
What are they doing about watching replays when you don't have the map? Will we still have to search it online? That was also a major pain in war3 that made little sense.
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I really don't think this is worth getting that worked up about. At all.
"Not in at release" just means that its something that's not really that high of a priority, a "cool," optional feature which people won't really miss, and so they're working not working on it right now in lieu of more important things. And really, considering this particular feature wasn't in Warcraft 3, and no one seemed to care that much, why would they consider it a major priority? However, if the community really does think otherwise, and the opinion to that effect is strong, then they could easily change their minds and decide to add it in before release anyway. They've done stuff like that before. It's not like its something like the LAN thing, where they made a very specific decision regarding a core feature for very specific reasons. The decision's not set in stone. This is just "Hey, that'd be cool, but it's not a big deal. Let's concentrate on something else, and we'll patch it in later." But, again, if you guys really think this is a big deal, instead of posting tirades about how "BLIZZARD SUCKS!!" or describing exactly when and how Blizzard went wrong and became the evil, soul-sucking, WoW-making corporation they are today, simply make it known that this feature is important to you, in a reasonable fashion. Blizzard reads the forums; they'll see it--but they're not going to be very persuaded by personal insults.
And, if worst comes to worst, then you'll probably have to wait a few months before watching replays online. So its not the worst thing in the world.
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i dont mind them adding additional features later on. im more interested in how singleplayer will turn out, not some feature that i might use every other week
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They want to make this game an esports game and they have a team dedicated to making it that way. But yet they won't have these at release(or at all):
Custom keys - A feature that kind of promotes high level play by being comfortable navigating the keyboard.
LAN - I understand games being played over Battle.net and having LAN latency if you are on the same network. But what about these tournaments that rent out event halls to hold games? There is not always going to be a guaranteed accessible internet connection at event halls all over the world. LAN also promotes playing with friends, getting others involved in a new games, sharing tips with others, etc. which fuels esports.
Replays with others - Once again sharing tips and such while watching with others fuels better play and esports.
So I just don't know any more.
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Very disappointing, I'm just waiting to see what the COOL NEW FEATURES of BNET 2.0 are - so far we know we can play games online, and that's it.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On July 05 2009 08:04 Captain Peabody wrote:
I really don't think this is worth getting that worked up about. At all.
"Not in at release" just means that its something that's not really that high of a priority, a "cool," optional feature which people won't really miss, and so they're working not working on it right now in lieu of more important things. And really, considering this particular feature wasn't in Warcraft 3, and no one seemed to care that much, why would they consider it a major priority? However, if the community really does think otherwise, and the opinion to that effect is strong, then they could easily change their minds and decide to add it in before release anyway. They've done stuff like that before. It's not like its something like the LAN thing, where they made a very specific decision regarding a core feature for very specific reasons. The decision's not set in stone. This is just "Hey, that'd be cool, but it's not a big deal. Let's concentrate on something else, and we'll patch it in later." But, again, if you guys really think this is a big deal, instead of posting tirades about how "BLIZZARD SUCKS!!" or describing exactly when and how Blizzard went wrong and became the evil, soul-sucking, WoW-making corporation they are today, simply make it known that this feature is important to you, in a reasonable fashion. Blizzard reads the forums; they'll see it--but they're not going to be very persuaded by personal insults.
And, if worst comes to worst, then you'll probably have to wait a few months before watching replays online. So its not the worst thing in the world.
Replay rewinding - THAT is a "cool, optional" feature. Seriously, everyone has been assuming since day 1 that we'll be able to watch replays online.
Infact, despite having asked them to confirm this since day 1, I've always mostly assumed they'd not make the same mistake twice.
I agree that "Blizzard sucks"-posts are pointless, but this is not a minor thing. In fact, it's a major reason I never got into WC3, and I think a suprising amount of SC players aren't even AWARE that WC3 doesn't have this feature (I'm constantly surprised by the "WTF WC3 doesn't have replays online!?" response I get when I mention it).
Even entertainment value aside, it also has a seriously negative impact on learning the game. Gone are the days of watching the replay after you lost.. WITH the guy who beat you. It's helpful man -_-
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Canada19447 Posts
HEY GUYS LETS MAKE A PETITION!!!! I'm sure they will patch it in eventually if people raw raw about it enough (which i'm sure we all will! )
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man it used to suck not being able to watch fun 2v2 replays with a friend on WC3...
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This is a simple matter of how soon they want the game to come out. They don't have enough time to get everything in the game by 31/12/2009, so some things will have to wait. Keep in mind that they've said they want a 4-6 month beta and they also want the game out in 2009--they're running seriously low on time to actually pull that off.
Try to relax, guys  It's not the end of the world.
Also, a mod should edit the title of the post to say "no online replays at launch" because I think a lot of people are just inferring that there won't be any ever and flipping their shit for no reason.
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Oh god no. It'll be so hard to show-off replays now ;(
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WOW this is fucking retarded, watching replays with friends is like the only reason to download most of them
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