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When Artosis brings his A-game he is a great commentator. However, I recall many midweek GSL RO16 group play matches where he and Tasteless giggled for several minutes about an inside joke while game deciding critical actions were happening.
As soon as the GSL's days were numbered Tastosis immediately commentated everything with 100% professionalism almost like they were auditioning for their next job.
Over all, Artosis was very good and he was great at high profile events.
Like most tech workers I only do about 15 hours of real work per week at my job so who am I to criticize?
On September 12 2024 19:59 WombaT wrote:
A fine interview as ever. I still find it amusing in a duality of man way that Artosis the streamer and Artosis in basically any other setting are like two completely different people
It is fascinating.
All people possess this aspect and they get displayed during and around competitive sports and esports. Think Carl Jung sub-personalities.
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On September 13 2024 01:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
When Artosis brings his A-game he is a great commentator. However, I recall many midweek GSL RO16 group play matches where he and Tasteless giggled for several minutes about an inside joke while game deciding critical actions were happening.
That was at least 60% of the reason I and many others tuned into the midweek GSL RO16 groups
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On September 13 2024 02:39 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2024 01:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
When Artosis brings his A-game he is a great commentator. However, I recall many midweek GSL RO16 group play matches where he and Tasteless giggled for several minutes about an inside joke while game deciding critical actions were happening.
That was at least 60% of the reason I and many others tuned into the midweek GSL RO16 groups
It was such a great content they stopped doing it when the heat got turned up.
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I must say I never really noticed any appreciable drop off in ‘Tasteless and Artosis talk about Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles for 3 minutes’ style chatter.
Provided it wasn’t over the top of something impactful happening I myself quite liked it and felt it added to the charm of that duo.
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utter bollocks
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Awesome interview thanks!
Big props to Artosis for standing by his views on the GOAT.
I do agree that many people aren't really engaging with what he's saying.
It's also really cool that it was asked of Serral and mentioned that if he's not the GOAT, Rogue is.
Many people considered Rogue to have surpassed Maru, shortly before he went to military when he matched Maru's 4 Code S wins (plus his other Super wins, and 3 WC tier wins).
After Rogue left, no one was really left to reliably stop Maru, and he won his 5th Code S onwards. Almost everyone unanimously considered Maru > Rogue from that point on.
We knew though that GSL had been downsizing more and more rapidly, and with hindsight we can confirm its effects. Most of Maru's recent Code S wins happened after the point GSL moved to being mostly online with a sharp drop in prize pool. I don't count those for much - especially when the reason Rogue hasn't been able to win more is because he can't compete due to military. Maybe 3 of those wins equals 1 GSL from 2020 and 2 of those wins equals 1 GSL from 2022 before it went online and prize pool hugely dropped. Even factoring that in, Rogue winning 3 WC tier events is of such a high accomplishment that to me, Maru's other results don't add up to. Serral, Rogue, and sOs are the only ones able to achieve 3 WC tier wins. If sOs was able to win 3 Code S in say 2014, 2016, and 2017 he would be in the GOAT discussion along with Serral Rogue and Maru, with a strong argument for #1 due to dominating in the strongest era and having both WC and Code S wins.
Not to derail the topic, but I really respect Artosis for sharing his honest opinion despite all the backlash and personal attacks on him which is very toxic and disappointing to see.
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On September 13 2024 06:19 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Awesome interview thanks!
Big props to Artosis for standing by his views on the GOAT.
I do agree that many people aren't really engaging with what he's saying.
It's also really cool that it was asked of Serral and mentioned that if he's not the GOAT, Rogue is.
Many people considered Rogue to have surpassed Maru, shortly before he went to military when he matched Maru's 4 Code S wins (plus his other Super wins, and 3 WC tier wins).
After Rogue left, no one was really left to reliably stop Maru, and he won his 5th Code S onwards. Almost everyone unanimously considered Maru > Rogue from that point on.
We knew though that GSL had been downsizing more and more rapidly, and with hindsight we can confirm its effects. Most of Maru's recent Code S wins happened after the point GSL moved to being mostly online with a sharp drop in prize pool. I don't count those for much - especially when the reason Rogue hasn't been able to win more is because he can't compete due to military. Maybe 3 of those wins equals 1 GSL from 2020 and 2 of those wins equals 1 GSL from 2022 before it went online and prize pool hugely dropped. Even factoring that in, Rogue winning 3 WC tier events is of such a high accomplishment that to me, Maru's other results don't add up to. Serral, Rogue, and sOs are the only ones able to achieve 3 WC tier wins. If sOs was able to win 3 Code S in say 2014, 2016, and 2017 he would be in the GOAT discussion along with Serral Rogue and Maru, with a strong argument for #1 due to dominating in the strongest era and having both WC and Code S wins.
Not to derail the topic, but I really respect Artosis for sharing his honest opinion despite all the backlash and personal attacks on him which is very toxic and disappointing to see.
One could argue though that the 2 Starleagues Maru won in 2013 and 2015 are also worth much more than Rogue's GSLs and that cancels out Maru's recent GSLs being worth less.
Anyway, I agree that Artosis case for Rogue is pretty sound. I don't agree with it but he has solid arguments - he clarified his criteria which aren't too unreasonable imo, and sticked to them.
90% of the people disagreeing with him on reddit/TL have worse arguments for their favorite player and thus should keep their mouth shut
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On September 13 2024 11:37 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2024 06:19 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Awesome interview thanks!
Big props to Artosis for standing by his views on the GOAT.
I do agree that many people aren't really engaging with what he's saying.
It's also really cool that it was asked of Serral and mentioned that if he's not the GOAT, Rogue is.
Many people considered Rogue to have surpassed Maru, shortly before he went to military when he matched Maru's 4 Code S wins (plus his other Super wins, and 3 WC tier wins).
After Rogue left, no one was really left to reliably stop Maru, and he won his 5th Code S onwards. Almost everyone unanimously considered Maru > Rogue from that point on.
We knew though that GSL had been downsizing more and more rapidly, and with hindsight we can confirm its effects. Most of Maru's recent Code S wins happened after the point GSL moved to being mostly online with a sharp drop in prize pool. I don't count those for much - especially when the reason Rogue hasn't been able to win more is because he can't compete due to military. Maybe 3 of those wins equals 1 GSL from 2020 and 2 of those wins equals 1 GSL from 2022 before it went online and prize pool hugely dropped. Even factoring that in, Rogue winning 3 WC tier events is of such a high accomplishment that to me, Maru's other results don't add up to. Serral, Rogue, and sOs are the only ones able to achieve 3 WC tier wins. If sOs was able to win 3 Code S in say 2014, 2016, and 2017 he would be in the GOAT discussion along with Serral Rogue and Maru, with a strong argument for #1 due to dominating in the strongest era and having both WC and Code S wins.
Not to derail the topic, but I really respect Artosis for sharing his honest opinion despite all the backlash and personal attacks on him which is very toxic and disappointing to see. One could argue though that the 2 Starleagues Maru won in 2013 and 2015 are also worth much more than Rogue's GSLs and that cancels out Maru's recent GSLs being worth less. Anyway, I agree that Artosis case for Rogue is pretty sound. I don't agree with it but he has solid arguments - he clarified his criteria which aren't too unreasonable imo, and sticked to them. 90% of the people disagreeing with him on reddit/TL have worse arguments for their favorite player and thus should keep their mouth shut
Glad it's not just me who thinks his argument is actually not very unreasonable ! (And definitely much better than many arguments people use on reddit/TL). He gave a very simple criteria and his definition of what GOAT is and he's able to sum it up in like 20 seconds now lol.
And true the 2 Starleagues is really good especially during the most competitive era. Really comes down to how much you weigh Starleagues vs GSL vs WCs etc. as usual. Most people lean on Maru > Rogue but I think when it comes to those who have the "minimum requirements" to be GOAT that people have mostly settled on (WC wins, KIL wins, dominating for more than a couple years etc.) Rogue is the only other who hits all those marks and should definitely not be left out of discussions. Serral being the WC + foreign tournaments extreme, Maru the GSL extreme, and Rogue a balance of both.
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On September 13 2024 12:39 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2024 11:37 Charoisaur wrote:On September 13 2024 06:19 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Awesome interview thanks!
Big props to Artosis for standing by his views on the GOAT.
I do agree that many people aren't really engaging with what he's saying.
It's also really cool that it was asked of Serral and mentioned that if he's not the GOAT, Rogue is.
Many people considered Rogue to have surpassed Maru, shortly before he went to military when he matched Maru's 4 Code S wins (plus his other Super wins, and 3 WC tier wins).
After Rogue left, no one was really left to reliably stop Maru, and he won his 5th Code S onwards. Almost everyone unanimously considered Maru > Rogue from that point on.
We knew though that GSL had been downsizing more and more rapidly, and with hindsight we can confirm its effects. Most of Maru's recent Code S wins happened after the point GSL moved to being mostly online with a sharp drop in prize pool. I don't count those for much - especially when the reason Rogue hasn't been able to win more is because he can't compete due to military. Maybe 3 of those wins equals 1 GSL from 2020 and 2 of those wins equals 1 GSL from 2022 before it went online and prize pool hugely dropped. Even factoring that in, Rogue winning 3 WC tier events is of such a high accomplishment that to me, Maru's other results don't add up to. Serral, Rogue, and sOs are the only ones able to achieve 3 WC tier wins. If sOs was able to win 3 Code S in say 2014, 2016, and 2017 he would be in the GOAT discussion along with Serral Rogue and Maru, with a strong argument for #1 due to dominating in the strongest era and having both WC and Code S wins.
Not to derail the topic, but I really respect Artosis for sharing his honest opinion despite all the backlash and personal attacks on him which is very toxic and disappointing to see. One could argue though that the 2 Starleagues Maru won in 2013 and 2015 are also worth much more than Rogue's GSLs and that cancels out Maru's recent GSLs being worth less. Anyway, I agree that Artosis case for Rogue is pretty sound. I don't agree with it but he has solid arguments - he clarified his criteria which aren't too unreasonable imo, and sticked to them. 90% of the people disagreeing with him on reddit/TL have worse arguments for their favorite player and thus should keep their mouth shut Glad it's not just me who thinks his argument is actually not very unreasonable ! (And definitely much better than many arguments people use on reddit/TL). He gave a very simple criteria and his definition of what GOAT is and he's able to sum it up in like 20 seconds now lol. And true the 2 Starleagues is really good especially during the most competitive era. Really comes down to how much you weigh Starleagues vs GSL vs WCs etc. as usual. Most people lean on Maru > Rogue but I think when it comes to those who have the "minimum requirements" to be GOAT that people have mostly settled on (WC wins, KIL wins, dominating for more than a couple years etc.) Rogue is the only other who hits all those marks and should definitely not be left out of discussions. Serral being the WC + foreign tournaments extreme, Maru the GSL extreme, and Rogue a balance of both.
I just find it difficult to come up with a formula where he’s ahead of both Maru and Serral
Serral’s got his results and ridiculous numbers. If someone wants to weigh them low versus the Kespa era that’s their prerogative, but then Maru stacks up very favourably against Rogue in that time. And quite a few other players too.
Of those two competitors one has the tournament wins in the Kespa era box ticked that he doesn’t. The other has similar WC accomplishments, better international tourney results, but doesn’t have the GSLs. But if you wanna weigh GSLs higher the other other guy also has him beat on that
I mean if you want your GOAT to have won both GSL and WCs and that’s the pre-requisite I suppose one can do that way!
I’d still pick Rogue quite high nonetheless. For obvious reasons. Just people can’t make the ‘it isn’t the highest competitive era’ argument against Serral and not have it count against most of Rogue’s achievements too
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On September 13 2024 16:10 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2024 12:39 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On September 13 2024 11:37 Charoisaur wrote:On September 13 2024 06:19 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Awesome interview thanks!
Big props to Artosis for standing by his views on the GOAT.
I do agree that many people aren't really engaging with what he's saying.
It's also really cool that it was asked of Serral and mentioned that if he's not the GOAT, Rogue is.
Many people considered Rogue to have surpassed Maru, shortly before he went to military when he matched Maru's 4 Code S wins (plus his other Super wins, and 3 WC tier wins).
After Rogue left, no one was really left to reliably stop Maru, and he won his 5th Code S onwards. Almost everyone unanimously considered Maru > Rogue from that point on.
We knew though that GSL had been downsizing more and more rapidly, and with hindsight we can confirm its effects. Most of Maru's recent Code S wins happened after the point GSL moved to being mostly online with a sharp drop in prize pool. I don't count those for much - especially when the reason Rogue hasn't been able to win more is because he can't compete due to military. Maybe 3 of those wins equals 1 GSL from 2020 and 2 of those wins equals 1 GSL from 2022 before it went online and prize pool hugely dropped. Even factoring that in, Rogue winning 3 WC tier events is of such a high accomplishment that to me, Maru's other results don't add up to. Serral, Rogue, and sOs are the only ones able to achieve 3 WC tier wins. If sOs was able to win 3 Code S in say 2014, 2016, and 2017 he would be in the GOAT discussion along with Serral Rogue and Maru, with a strong argument for #1 due to dominating in the strongest era and having both WC and Code S wins.
Not to derail the topic, but I really respect Artosis for sharing his honest opinion despite all the backlash and personal attacks on him which is very toxic and disappointing to see. One could argue though that the 2 Starleagues Maru won in 2013 and 2015 are also worth much more than Rogue's GSLs and that cancels out Maru's recent GSLs being worth less. Anyway, I agree that Artosis case for Rogue is pretty sound. I don't agree with it but he has solid arguments - he clarified his criteria which aren't too unreasonable imo, and sticked to them. 90% of the people disagreeing with him on reddit/TL have worse arguments for their favorite player and thus should keep their mouth shut Glad it's not just me who thinks his argument is actually not very unreasonable ! (And definitely much better than many arguments people use on reddit/TL). He gave a very simple criteria and his definition of what GOAT is and he's able to sum it up in like 20 seconds now lol. And true the 2 Starleagues is really good especially during the most competitive era. Really comes down to how much you weigh Starleagues vs GSL vs WCs etc. as usual. Most people lean on Maru > Rogue but I think when it comes to those who have the "minimum requirements" to be GOAT that people have mostly settled on (WC wins, KIL wins, dominating for more than a couple years etc.) Rogue is the only other who hits all those marks and should definitely not be left out of discussions. Serral being the WC + foreign tournaments extreme, Maru the GSL extreme, and Rogue a balance of both. I just find it difficult to come up with a formula where he’s ahead of both Maru and Serral Serral’s got his results and ridiculous numbers. If someone wants to weigh them low versus the Kespa era that’s their prerogative, but then Maru stacks up very favourably against Rogue in that time. And quite a few other players too. Of those two competitors one has the tournament wins in the Kespa era box ticked that he doesn’t. The other has similar WC accomplishments, better international tourney results, but doesn’t have the GSLs. But if you wanna weigh GSLs higher the other other guy also has him beat on that I mean if you want your GOAT to have won both GSL and WCs and that’s the pre-requisite I suppose one can do that way! I’d still pick Rogue quite high nonetheless. For obvious reasons. Just people can’t make the ‘it isn’t the highest competitive era’ argument against Serral and not have it count against most of Rogue’s achievements too
The formula for Rogue I have in my head if I were to put him higher is like this:
Serral dominates at the biggest stage (international WC tournaments), but lacks Code S wins (not a big deal for Serral ofc)
Maru dominates in KR, but fails to win at the biggest stage (international WC tournaments), so his achievements is lacking something significant. You could take the angle that his 2 Starleague wins in HoTs were the biggest stage in the most competitive era though of course (before international WC tournaments became the biggest), and maybe even say that Maru peaked in HotS and what we're seeing now is him just dominating a much weaker GSL scene
Rogue matched Maru's 4 Code S wins in 2022. They were pretty much equal on that.
Maru's 5th Code S win was after Rogue left for military.
Maru's 6th-8th Code S wins were with the online and/or hugely downsized GSL with crowdfunded prizepool.
Rogue was not able to compete during Maru's 5th-8th Code S. This is a huge factor because while you can say on paper that Maru has the better GSL achievements, when we're talking about GOAT we have to consider the circumstances the players are in and how they performed. Rogue legally literally could not perform / rack up any more wins while Maru could simply due to him being older and having to go to military sooner.
So to me, Maru's 5th-8th wins in the context of GOAT discussion (whether he's GOAT over Serral or Rogue) has a huge asterisk because Rogue wasn't even there to stop him.
But at best, you could say Rogue's Code S performance is equal to Maru. And at worst, Maru's Code S performances is valued more even if Rogue had to miss out due to military. The remaining argument for Rogue would simply be that he was able to succeed on the biggest stage (international WC tournaments in the modern era where they are bigger than KIL), not once but three times where Maru failed to do so a single time. That's a huge thing that Rogue has over Maru to me, even if Maru won even more KIL it would still be weird to me to lack a single WC tier win.
So placing Rogue over Maru would be valuing WC and Code S in a middleground way:
-WC valued a bit more than Code S, but Code S is not so much less that Serral would then trump Rogue. Probably 1 WC (2017-2024) = 1.5 Code S (2017-2022).
-Code S and Starleagues are valued, but not glorified so much that they can make up for a total lack of WC wins when the other 2 contenders Serral and Rogue have 3 showing that it can be done, and sOs who is much lower
-Also valuing a balance of results in international vs KIL, weekender vs prep format, being able to succeed in all of those which Rogue has done, but Serral and Maru haven't proven it.
If i were to compare the results 1:1 this is about how I'd stack it up:
Rogue's 4 Code S in 2018-2022 = Maru's 4 Code S in 2018-2022
Rogue's 3 Supers = Maru's 5th Code S in 2022 + 1 Super + 1 heavily downsized Code S in 2023-2024
Rogue's 3 WC tier >= Maru's 1 weak WC tier (WESG) + 2 KIL during peak competitive era + his other 2 heavily downsized Code S in 2023-2024
Rogue's Proleague < Maru's Proleague, but I don't value team results much when it comes to GOAT, and they were both top Proleague players so it wasn't a huge difference in the grand scheme
I would still put Serral as GOAT on my list currently (would have been way easier if he finished strong by winning EWC this year), but I'm like 55:45 on putting Rogue above Maru because WC wins are really big to me as they are the biggest tournies especially if we're talking about having 3 while the other has 0. It's really a pity sOs was not able to win even 2 Code S during 2013-2017, as if he did he would in my book shoot up to being above Innovation/MVP/Dark and being #2-4, with a 3rd Code S win would put him in strong contention be #1.
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Do you really think that comparison will make things better ?
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On September 13 2024 03:43 WombaT wrote:
I must say I never really noticed any appreciable drop off in ‘Tasteless and Artosis talk about Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles for 3 minutes’ style chatter.
Provided it wasn’t over the top of something impactful happening I myself quite liked it and felt it added to the charm of that duo.
it's truly a shame we don't get more collab for them streaming together. they got such a nice brand going, never understood why they never kept building it out beyond casting
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On September 13 2024 21:06 KingzTig wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2024 03:43 WombaT wrote:
I must say I never really noticed any appreciable drop off in ‘Tasteless and Artosis talk about Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles for 3 minutes’ style chatter.
Provided it wasn’t over the top of something impactful happening I myself quite liked it and felt it added to the charm of that duo. it's truly a shame we don't get more collab for them streaming together. they got such a nice brand going, never understood why they never kept building it out beyond casting
Yeah it really feels they built their individual brands as that partnership but haven’t really leveraged it since
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I think regardless of if you agree with Arty, he is making an argument for one of the three "accepted" possible goats. It's a thought out opinion and should be respected as such, especially given his stature in the scene.
His thoughts on balance I do agree with. It's basically the same across all genres, the older games are more imba but people adapt/accept these imbalances. I don't think it's controversial to say sf6 is better balanced than third strike. Ofc better balance doesn't mean the game is outright better though
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On September 13 2024 16:10 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2024 12:39 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On September 13 2024 11:37 Charoisaur wrote:On September 13 2024 06:19 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Awesome interview thanks!
Big props to Artosis for standing by his views on the GOAT.
I do agree that many people aren't really engaging with what he's saying.
It's also really cool that it was asked of Serral and mentioned that if he's not the GOAT, Rogue is.
Many people considered Rogue to have surpassed Maru, shortly before he went to military when he matched Maru's 4 Code S wins (plus his other Super wins, and 3 WC tier wins).
After Rogue left, no one was really left to reliably stop Maru, and he won his 5th Code S onwards. Almost everyone unanimously considered Maru > Rogue from that point on.
We knew though that GSL had been downsizing more and more rapidly, and with hindsight we can confirm its effects. Most of Maru's recent Code S wins happened after the point GSL moved to being mostly online with a sharp drop in prize pool. I don't count those for much - especially when the reason Rogue hasn't been able to win more is because he can't compete due to military. Maybe 3 of those wins equals 1 GSL from 2020 and 2 of those wins equals 1 GSL from 2022 before it went online and prize pool hugely dropped. Even factoring that in, Rogue winning 3 WC tier events is of such a high accomplishment that to me, Maru's other results don't add up to. Serral, Rogue, and sOs are the only ones able to achieve 3 WC tier wins. If sOs was able to win 3 Code S in say 2014, 2016, and 2017 he would be in the GOAT discussion along with Serral Rogue and Maru, with a strong argument for #1 due to dominating in the strongest era and having both WC and Code S wins.
Not to derail the topic, but I really respect Artosis for sharing his honest opinion despite all the backlash and personal attacks on him which is very toxic and disappointing to see. One could argue though that the 2 Starleagues Maru won in 2013 and 2015 are also worth much more than Rogue's GSLs and that cancels out Maru's recent GSLs being worth less. Anyway, I agree that Artosis case for Rogue is pretty sound. I don't agree with it but he has solid arguments - he clarified his criteria which aren't too unreasonable imo, and sticked to them. 90% of the people disagreeing with him on reddit/TL have worse arguments for their favorite player and thus should keep their mouth shut Glad it's not just me who thinks his argument is actually not very unreasonable ! (And definitely much better than many arguments people use on reddit/TL). He gave a very simple criteria and his definition of what GOAT is and he's able to sum it up in like 20 seconds now lol. And true the 2 Starleagues is really good especially during the most competitive era. Really comes down to how much you weigh Starleagues vs GSL vs WCs etc. as usual. Most people lean on Maru > Rogue but I think when it comes to those who have the "minimum requirements" to be GOAT that people have mostly settled on (WC wins, KIL wins, dominating for more than a couple years etc.) Rogue is the only other who hits all those marks and should definitely not be left out of discussions. Serral being the WC + foreign tournaments extreme, Maru the GSL extreme, and Rogue a balance of both. I mean if you want your GOAT to have won both GSL and WCs and that’s the pre-requisite I suppose one can do that way!
Yeah that's basically Artosis argument. And I don't think it's too unreasonable if you use achievements to determine the Goat.
GSL and Katowice/Blizzcon are historically the most prestigious tournaments so it's quite a big gap in your resumee if you're missing one of them. Also there's the preperation tournament vs weekender factor as Rogue is the only one out of the Goat candidates to have massive successes in both formats.
The reason why Rogue can't be the Goat imo is more of subjective nature. He played throughout the Kespa era and didn't win anything and only started winning once the competition got a lot thinner. That makes it impossible for me to call him the Goat, Serral at least has the excuse of not being fulltime back then so we can always ask ourselves 'what if...'.
If we just looked at achievements and disregarded competitive strength I think I'd be inclined to agree with Artosis that Rogue may be the Goat (definitely at the point he left for military, maybe not anymore with Serral's recent dominance)
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Yay GOAT debate revived after it was decidedly killed!
I think it's a lazy argument that because rogue has both apples and oranges that, that puts him above twice the number of apples or oranges. If anything that puts him at a certain no.2 depending on which is worth more the apples or the oranges.
To the fact that rogue played during kespa and didn't achieve results, I don't like this argument personally. I think it shouldn't matter if a player was even playing at bronze lvl for 5 years straight, what matters is the time that he 'got it', the time that puts him in the conversation to begin with. However bad Rogue might've been, his results can only be a boon for his career and not the opposite. Sos' lotv results has been used against him, when in fact it should speak for him. Just like that if MVP had continued to play for the rest of sc2, but only would've been able to perform as well as Top that shouldn't speak against his WoL results.
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Thanks for all the kind words from so many of you guys!
Also love all the silly debates. Some more liveliness is something we definitely need in the SC community!
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On September 12 2024 05:26 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2024 03:55 StarcraftHistorian wrote:On September 12 2024 03:34 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
You guys are really grasping on the last straw Wdym? He means "Broodwar ist best game ever I build my entire personality around it and SC2 sucks and how dare you even suggest something in SC2 might be better than Broodwar uga uga"
Best game is best game. Starcraft Broodwar is that. I don't see a problem here.
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