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Artosis: "SC2 is more balanced than Brood War"

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StarcraftHistorian
Profile Joined November 2022
United States146 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-11 15:07:59
September 11 2024 15:07 GMT
#1
I don't need to tell you all that (Wiki)Artosis is one of the people I have wanted to interview since I started this foray into content creation. Dan is one of the voices that brought StarCraft to the west, and it was an absolute honor working with him. I hope you all enjoy this chat with one of the Mount Rushmore figures of this community!



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Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4337 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-11 19:29:16
September 11 2024 16:46 GMT
#2
The imbalances of each race is what makes Brood War so much fun to watch.

SC2 is pretty balanced... but it's so, so, so bland.

My personal opinion anyways.

Edit: this is a very great interview. Loved the bit about the volatility in esports. Good question.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16826 Posts
September 11 2024 17:24 GMT
#3
For me, the game only needs to be somewhat balanced. Deep racial diversity guarantees some degree of imbalance at certain levels of play.

Deep racial diversity is more important than a tightly balanced game.

I just accept the fact that my Zerg is ranked higher than my Terran. Meh.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Expensive-Law-9830
Profile Joined April 2024
130 Posts
September 11 2024 18:34 GMT
#4
You guys are really grasping on the last straw

User was warned for this post
StarcraftHistorian
Profile Joined November 2022
United States146 Posts
September 11 2024 18:55 GMT
#5
On September 12 2024 03:34 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
You guys are really grasping on the last straw


Wdym?
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1216 Posts
September 11 2024 20:26 GMT
#6
On September 12 2024 03:55 StarcraftHistorian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2024 03:34 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
You guys are really grasping on the last straw


Wdym?


He means "Broodwar ist best game ever I build my entire personality around it and SC2 sucks and how dare you even suggest something in SC2 might be better than Broodwar uga uga"
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Expensive-Law-9830
Profile Joined April 2024
130 Posts
September 11 2024 20:35 GMT
#7
On September 12 2024 05:26 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2024 03:55 StarcraftHistorian wrote:
On September 12 2024 03:34 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
You guys are really grasping on the last straw


Wdym?


He means "Broodwar ist best game ever I build my entire personality around it and SC2 sucks and how dare you even suggest something in SC2 might be better than Broodwar uga uga"


I have observed you people for a long time. The delusions are Artosis level. You guys are thinking you play 5D chess while all you play is some repetitive boring mouse clicking without much thought. There is a reason no one in Korea where an actual good RTS was established prefers the 'superior' SC2 game, except for some people in the west that have nothing else in life to feel proud of except being gold in SC2.
StarcraftHistorian
Profile Joined November 2022
United States146 Posts
September 11 2024 21:19 GMT
#8
On September 12 2024 05:35 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2024 05:26 Balnazza wrote:
On September 12 2024 03:55 StarcraftHistorian wrote:
On September 12 2024 03:34 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
You guys are really grasping on the last straw


Wdym?


He means "Broodwar ist best game ever I build my entire personality around it and SC2 sucks and how dare you even suggest something in SC2 might be better than Broodwar uga uga"


I have observed you people for a long time. The delusions are Artosis level. You guys are thinking you play 5D chess while all you play is some repetitive boring mouse clicking without much thought. There is a reason no one in Korea where an actual good RTS was established prefers the 'superior' SC2 game, except for some people in the west that have nothing else in life to feel proud of except being gold in SC2.


Lmao, what a goofy ass dude you are
StarcraftHistorian
Profile Joined November 2022
United States146 Posts
September 11 2024 21:20 GMT
#9
On September 12 2024 05:26 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2024 03:55 StarcraftHistorian wrote:
On September 12 2024 03:34 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
You guys are really grasping on the last straw


Wdym?


He means "Broodwar ist best game ever I build my entire personality around it and SC2 sucks and how dare you even suggest something in SC2 might be better than Broodwar uga uga"


Yeah you hit the nail on the head there
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1216 Posts
September 11 2024 21:55 GMT
#10
On September 12 2024 05:35 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2024 05:26 Balnazza wrote:
On September 12 2024 03:55 StarcraftHistorian wrote:
On September 12 2024 03:34 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
You guys are really grasping on the last straw


Wdym?


He means "Broodwar ist best game ever I build my entire personality around it and SC2 sucks and how dare you even suggest something in SC2 might be better than Broodwar uga uga"


I have observed you people for a long time. The delusions are Artosis level. You guys are thinking you play 5D chess while all you play is some repetitive boring mouse clicking without much thought. There is a reason no one in Korea where an actual good RTS was established prefers the 'superior' SC2 game, except for some people in the west that have nothing else in life to feel proud of except being gold in SC2.


Y'know, I explained you already, there wasn't any need to proof my point THAT hard ._.
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10357 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-12 01:10:43
September 12 2024 01:08 GMT
#11
On September 12 2024 05:35 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
There is a reason no one in Korea where an actual good RTS was established prefers the 'superior' SC2 game


Ah yes, that indeed is a great reason contributing to SC2 not catching on as big as BW in KR!

Btw great post - will work very well as a copy pasta template
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
johnnyh123
Profile Joined February 2023
124 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-12 06:59:30
September 12 2024 06:56 GMT
#12
Simple, Day9 and Artosis are the best commentators for English SC2. But Artosis stayed with the game and carried it from the beginning till almost the end. Sort of wished he stayed in GSL for a bit longer like Tasteless, but understand his financial and family situation.

Artosis actually could be up there with the GOATs of SC2 for his impact on the game, especially for English viewership. Just miles better than any casters we have nowadays (no offense to our casters today, who are usually very biased for their favorite players and descriptive, vs less biased and more prescriptive & predictive like Artosis).
spity
Profile Joined September 2008
Norway6 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-12 07:24:52
September 12 2024 07:23 GMT
#13
Had to log in for the first time in a long time to say great work man!
JJAEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOONG
StarcraftHistorian
Profile Joined November 2022
United States146 Posts
September 12 2024 07:30 GMT
#14
On September 12 2024 16:23 spity wrote:
Had to log in for the first time in a long time to say great work man!


Oh shucks, well thanks man, I really appreciate it. It would be hard to not make a good piece when Artosis is the guest =D
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1910 Posts
September 12 2024 09:11 GMT
#15
On September 12 2024 05:35 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2024 05:26 Balnazza wrote:
On September 12 2024 03:55 StarcraftHistorian wrote:
On September 12 2024 03:34 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
You guys are really grasping on the last straw


Wdym?


He means "Broodwar ist best game ever I build my entire personality around it and SC2 sucks and how dare you even suggest something in SC2 might be better than Broodwar uga uga"


I have observed you people for a long time. The delusions are Artosis level. You guys are thinking you play 5D chess while all you play is some repetitive boring mouse clicking without much thought. There is a reason no one in Korea where an actual good RTS was established prefers the 'superior' SC2 game, except for some people in the west that have nothing else in life to feel proud of except being gold in SC2.


Lmao and here I thought we were already waaaaay past this BW vs SC2 elitism bs.
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25796 Posts
September 12 2024 10:59 GMT
#16
A fine interview as ever. I still find it amusing in a duality of man way that Artosis the streamer and Artosis in basically any other setting are like two completely different people
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1216 Posts
September 12 2024 12:15 GMT
#17
On September 12 2024 15:56 johnnyh123 wrote:
Simple, Day9 and Artosis are the best commentators for English SC2. But Artosis stayed with the game and carried it from the beginning till almost the end. Sort of wished he stayed in GSL for a bit longer like Tasteless, but understand his financial and family situation.

Artosis actually could be up there with the GOATs of SC2 for his impact on the game, especially for English viewership. Just miles better than any casters we have nowadays (no offense to our casters today, who are usually very biased for their favorite players and descriptive, vs less biased and more prescriptive & predictive like Artosis).


I wouldn't go into the "who are the better casters"-debate, since that is so much more biased than even the GOAT-debate, but it is undoubtetly true that Artosis did a lot for SC2. A contribution often overlooked, as is it with all contributions that aren't just players.
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25796 Posts
September 12 2024 12:36 GMT
#18
On September 12 2024 21:15 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2024 15:56 johnnyh123 wrote:
Simple, Day9 and Artosis are the best commentators for English SC2. But Artosis stayed with the game and carried it from the beginning till almost the end. Sort of wished he stayed in GSL for a bit longer like Tasteless, but understand his financial and family situation.

Artosis actually could be up there with the GOATs of SC2 for his impact on the game, especially for English viewership. Just miles better than any casters we have nowadays (no offense to our casters today, who are usually very biased for their favorite players and descriptive, vs less biased and more prescriptive & predictive like Artosis).


I wouldn't go into the "who are the better casters"-debate, since that is so much more biased than even the GOAT-debate, but it is undoubtetly true that Artosis did a lot for SC2. A contribution often overlooked, as is it with all contributions that aren't just players.

Aye, plus he did a lot of out of game content too. Be it hosting various shows or appearing on others. Even the lesser-heralded ones like In Depth I feel added to my enjoyment of this shared hobby of ours
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
September 12 2024 12:54 GMT
#19
On September 12 2024 05:26 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2024 03:55 StarcraftHistorian wrote:
On September 12 2024 03:34 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
You guys are really grasping on the last straw


Wdym?


He means "Broodwar ist best game ever I build my entire personality around it and SC2 sucks and how dare you even suggest something in SC2 might be better than Broodwar uga uga"

Thanks for translate.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
September 12 2024 14:21 GMT
#20
On September 12 2024 19:59 WombaT wrote:
A fine interview as ever. I still find it amusing in a duality of man way that Artosis the streamer and Artosis in basically any other setting are like two completely different people

I shared an apartment with Artosis at WCG Monza at ShuN's place which, each day, had more and more people staying overnight. You basically had to rush to sleep to have a bed with how many people were staying over. He was truly living the dream. Woke up with a massive grin on his face during breakfast (which, if I recall correctly, was just a bunch of croissants and oranges). He's definitely a passionate guy.
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