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KR media rumor: 2024 to be last year of GSL

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Vision0
Profile Joined February 2024
27 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-23 11:35:01
February 23 2024 11:26 GMT
#49
I will make a free fan contest for summer 2024 (let s say august) in order to propose a full tweak of SC2 into SC1.5 by members of TL

Feel free to participate if you are interested

Goal : Create a PDF mod for SC2 in a old school style (all attack coolddowns are supposed 25% less faster, no number or detail of the changes, you can say for example "his mineral cost is decrease by "X")
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19307 Posts
February 23 2024 11:33 GMT
#50
Some of the best BW has come in the Sonic-ASL era. If GSL does end, I hope it can find a similar story and continue to live on.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26255 Posts
February 23 2024 12:44 GMT
#51
It can’t only be me who finds it a bit incongruous that the Saudi money threw enough at a fun legends show match to fund a seasonal prize pool for the GSL can it?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Zzzapper
Profile Joined September 2011
1797 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-23 17:57:39
February 23 2024 17:55 GMT
#52
On February 23 2024 20:33 BisuDagger wrote:
Some of the best BW has come in the Sonic-ASL era. If GSL does end, I hope it can find a similar story and continue to live on.

One can dream but for Korean SC2, I doubt it. There's fewer than 20 pro players left; a handful of those are barely active and about half of the remainder (including most of the top players) are going to head to the military in the next year or two. And frankly, what new military returners are going to fill out that hole with the current state of affairs?

The international/global scene definitely still has some good years left in it, assuming premier tournaments like EPT and WTL continue. And that more players won't switch to Stormgate but from what I've seen so far, that doesn't look like the biggest risk at the moment.

On February 23 2024 21:44 WombaT wrote:
It can’t only be me who finds it a bit incongruous that the Saudi money threw enough at a fun legends show match to fund a seasonal prize pool for the GSL can it?

They seem to favour a strategy of setting up their own events, especially in Riyadh, to really maximize that (e)sportswashing visibility
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2972 Posts
February 23 2024 18:17 GMT
#53
On February 21 2024 14:40 argonautdice wrote:
2002: Aeon of Strife was invented.


AoS defined MOBA and spearhead the rise and creation of the genre, but it wasn't the first. It actually existed in Brood War as a map called Opposing Forces, I remember since I knew the creator of the map and was heavily involved in the UMS community/Battle.net channel on US East the time, it never really got any traction to be a commonly played map but it was interesting and the idea was the forebearer that would create AoS. It was obviously far simpler due to it being on BW at the time but it had the same general concept: Hero like player units waging war in taking down the opposing forces base across the map with an infinite stream of weaker fodder units charging mindlessly across the map to each other.

Apologies for going off track, but it's sad hearing that this may be the final year of GSL. Whether it's true or not we'll obviously see, but if it truly is, thanks for all the memories. Personally I'll always value GSL above all the other international SC2 tournaments even above the world championships.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
ZeroByte13
Profile Joined March 2022
782 Posts
February 23 2024 22:53 GMT
#54
It was what, 14 years? More than anyone could expect, really.
Thanks for all the memories.
NeedlerNoobRTS
Profile Joined February 2024
7 Posts
February 24 2024 13:29 GMT
#55
On February 21 2024 00:58 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
More ASLs then, hopefully.

Not the worst news, tbh.


Does TL not moderate against shitposts like this? Or does he genuinely not understand that GSL in no way competes with ASL viewership nor funding?

Help bring communities together and bring RTS up. SC1 and SC2 are both beloved games. Any broadcasted event that doesn't continue is a blow to our community.
washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
February 25 2024 02:19 GMT
#56
I love gal I will be quite sad if this happens but I also understand all good things come to an end at some point. Rather then greave the loss of the tournament that has been core to my hobbies scene, instead I will celebrate are the great years and great moments it has given us.
"when life gives Hero lemons he makes carriers" -Artosis
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
February 25 2024 05:41 GMT
#57
3K $ prize for first place is too low and embarassing, doesn't respect players time, at this point it's much, MUCH profitable for pros to work on normal jobs than to practice for GSL. Farewell!
sunbeams are never made like me...
felleN
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia69 Posts
February 25 2024 09:19 GMT
#58
I'm quite surprised the GSL was still going. I have recently come back from a break from starcraft and thought it would be gone considering how small the sc2 scene in Korea is. I must say it's had a pretty good run.
"I am fucking godly at, like, fucking god. AHHHH" -combatEX
KappaKingPrime
Profile Joined May 2014
United States468 Posts
February 25 2024 13:06 GMT
#59
A random tweet without a source is "news" now? lol
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States680 Posts
February 25 2024 14:40 GMT
#60
quite honestly........ I think it might be time to move on and find some more interesting way to play strategy game.

In all honestly, as someone who started playing SCBW from 1998, and played SC2 when it got released.

I feel like it's been quite a wild ride with all the RTS train, the whole Real Time Strategy was an innovation enabled by network advancement, and hard work of the game engine engineers.

I really wonder how people would play "Strategy" game now there are these AIs, maybe strategy can be played on a more macro level with god knows what kind of commanding structure. It will be very interesting to see.

And the birth of MOBA was mainly due to lots of people have an issue controlling the "Macro and Micro" of traditional RTS, the bar of entering the game was a bit too high for many. The people who played RTS and myself included felt some what elite in that sense.

I know it's a bit of off topic here, but I really wonder how the future of this type of strategy game will shape with all the new technology that's emerging. And honestly Storm Gate wasn't didn't have the WOW factor for me.

Anyhow I still hope and wish GSL the best However it will survive and lives on.
Mostly a troll, bi-polar by design, occasionally brain malfunction. Please forgive me. xD
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26255 Posts
February 25 2024 14:58 GMT
#61
On February 24 2024 02:55 Zzzapper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2024 20:33 BisuDagger wrote:
Some of the best BW has come in the Sonic-ASL era. If GSL does end, I hope it can find a similar story and continue to live on.

One can dream but for Korean SC2, I doubt it. There's fewer than 20 pro players left; a handful of those are barely active and about half of the remainder (including most of the top players) are going to head to the military in the next year or two. And frankly, what new military returners are going to fill out that hole with the current state of affairs?

The international/global scene definitely still has some good years left in it, assuming premier tournaments like EPT and WTL continue. And that more players won't switch to Stormgate but from what I've seen so far, that doesn't look like the biggest risk at the moment.

Show nested quote +
On February 23 2024 21:44 WombaT wrote:
It can’t only be me who finds it a bit incongruous that the Saudi money threw enough at a fun legends show match to fund a seasonal prize pool for the GSL can it?

They seem to favour a strategy of setting up their own events, especially in Riyadh, to really maximize that (e)sportswashing visibility

Indeed.

My personal take is that StarCraft is only there until (if) this whole venture gets established. Provides some old school prestige and goodwill while it gets off the ground. There’s still a decent following at present and you can trace its lineage via its predecessor right back to the beginning of eSports as we know it, WCG and all that other fun stuff.

Beyond that it makes little sense to me to invest in a flagship tournament for an ever-declining game, without investing in addressing that decline.

Hey, call me a cynic, many have!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States680 Posts
February 25 2024 16:56 GMT
#62
On February 25 2024 23:58 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2024 02:55 Zzzapper wrote:
On February 23 2024 20:33 BisuDagger wrote:
Some of the best BW has come in the Sonic-ASL era. If GSL does end, I hope it can find a similar story and continue to live on.

One can dream but for Korean SC2, I doubt it. There's fewer than 20 pro players left; a handful of those are barely active and about half of the remainder (including most of the top players) are going to head to the military in the next year or two. And frankly, what new military returners are going to fill out that hole with the current state of affairs?

The international/global scene definitely still has some good years left in it, assuming premier tournaments like EPT and WTL continue. And that more players won't switch to Stormgate but from what I've seen so far, that doesn't look like the biggest risk at the moment.

On February 23 2024 21:44 WombaT wrote:
It can’t only be me who finds it a bit incongruous that the Saudi money threw enough at a fun legends show match to fund a seasonal prize pool for the GSL can it?

They seem to favour a strategy of setting up their own events, especially in Riyadh, to really maximize that (e)sportswashing visibility

Indeed.

My personal take is that StarCraft is only there until (if) this whole venture gets established. Provides some old school prestige and goodwill while it gets off the ground. There’s still a decent following at present and you can trace its lineage via its predecessor right back to the beginning of eSports as we know it, WCG and all that other fun stuff.

Beyond that it makes little sense to me to invest in a flagship tournament for an ever-declining game, without investing in addressing that decline.

Hey, call me a cynic, many have!


That's fine, I think a lot of people have been , and will be cynic, I mean how long have we heard the term DEAD GAME since brood war days, hahahaha
Mostly a troll, bi-polar by design, occasionally brain malfunction. Please forgive me. xD
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19307 Posts
February 25 2024 17:51 GMT
#63
On February 26 2024 01:56 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2024 23:58 WombaT wrote:
On February 24 2024 02:55 Zzzapper wrote:
On February 23 2024 20:33 BisuDagger wrote:
Some of the best BW has come in the Sonic-ASL era. If GSL does end, I hope it can find a similar story and continue to live on.

One can dream but for Korean SC2, I doubt it. There's fewer than 20 pro players left; a handful of those are barely active and about half of the remainder (including most of the top players) are going to head to the military in the next year or two. And frankly, what new military returners are going to fill out that hole with the current state of affairs?

The international/global scene definitely still has some good years left in it, assuming premier tournaments like EPT and WTL continue. And that more players won't switch to Stormgate but from what I've seen so far, that doesn't look like the biggest risk at the moment.

On February 23 2024 21:44 WombaT wrote:
It can’t only be me who finds it a bit incongruous that the Saudi money threw enough at a fun legends show match to fund a seasonal prize pool for the GSL can it?

They seem to favour a strategy of setting up their own events, especially in Riyadh, to really maximize that (e)sportswashing visibility

Indeed.

My personal take is that StarCraft is only there until (if) this whole venture gets established. Provides some old school prestige and goodwill while it gets off the ground. There’s still a decent following at present and you can trace its lineage via its predecessor right back to the beginning of eSports as we know it, WCG and all that other fun stuff.

Beyond that it makes little sense to me to invest in a flagship tournament for an ever-declining game, without investing in addressing that decline.

Hey, call me a cynic, many have!


That's fine, I think a lot of people have been , and will be cynic, I mean how long have we heard the term DEAD GAME since brood war days, hahahaha


Time for a sequel to this blog https://tl.net/blogs/433721-saving-sc2
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
February 25 2024 20:39 GMT
#64
On February 25 2024 14:41 outscar wrote:
3K $ prize for first place is too low and embarassing, doesn't respect players time, at this point it's much, MUCH profitable for pros to work on normal jobs than to practice for GSL. Farewell!

To be fair the crowd funding will make the prize money higher, just like last year
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Vision0
Profile Joined February 2024
27 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-26 11:33:53
February 26 2024 11:29 GMT
#65
On February 26 2024 05:39 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2024 14:41 outscar wrote:
3K $ prize for first place is too low and embarassing, doesn't respect players time, at this point it's much, MUCH profitable for pros to work on normal jobs than to practice for GSL. Farewell!

To be fair the crowd funding will make the prize money higher, just like last year


Instead of paying employee which can improve SC2.....sick

I can't help but think that it's the opposite that we should do, because mainly money comes from advertising
FFXthebest
Profile Joined February 2024
75 Posts
February 26 2024 15:18 GMT
#66
No one to blame except KR themselves

If you look back at GSL prize pool during the earlier days.

First place was 45K,
3rd-4th place was only $4500

Basically everyone else was fighting for crumbs

Whoever decided on that was such an idiot
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3752 Posts
February 27 2024 11:34 GMT
#67
This might make space for Korean Stormgate League or whatever. Unless everyone will go back to SC:R which is what Artosis was hinting at for months.
Vision0
Profile Joined February 2024
27 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-27 13:19:07
February 27 2024 13:13 GMT
#68
Activision Blizzard is so idiot that they prefer give up galaxy editor and sc2 engine in developping a new type of game in the universe of starcraft... If it s the case, they can already give us the reins. I would be happy to play competitive mod with ladder in a decent engine.

Because their man goal is to make money with the licence
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