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moonsjde
Profile Joined October 2022
48 Posts
April 19 2023 18:22 GMT
#41
terran protoss and zerg

terran is the "original" race that starts the story and is based on real life and zerg sounds best at the end because it's only one syllable so protoss goes in the middle by elimination
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
April 19 2023 21:10 GMT
#42
Terran Zerg Protoss
TvZ
ZvP
PvT in that order for me.
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Kalera
Profile Joined January 2018
United States338 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-20 00:05:20
April 20 2023 00:04 GMT
#43
TZP seems logical based on campaigns, but TPZ rolls off the tongue more smoothly.
Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States831 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-20 04:33:03
April 20 2023 04:32 GMT
#44
I am honestly thinking of leaving TL if this poll is the standard view.
Zerg, Terran, Protoss

falls off the tongue way better than any of the other choices.
Also, Terran first is a horrible choice for the simple fact that we are implicitly biased towards "Terran" as humans. Gross results
You're getting cynical and that won't do I'd throw the rose tint back on the exploded view
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
April 20 2023 11:03 GMT
#45
Terran Protoss Zerg sounds the best so I voted for it.

That said, Terran Zerg Protoss was how the original game introduced the campaigns. I am inclined to agree this is "correct"
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
861 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-20 17:23:59
April 20 2023 17:22 GMT
#46
On April 19 2023 22:27 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2023 22:04 Vision_ wrote:
What s the purpose of this thread ?


To determine the correct order of naming the three races of Starcraft.


People have time to loss...
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
April 20 2023 17:23 GMT
#47
It's always been Terran Zerg Protoss for me due to the campaign order in StarCraft and expansion order for SC2
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Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
April 20 2023 17:49 GMT
#48
On April 21 2023 02:22 Vision_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2023 22:27 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On April 19 2023 22:04 Vision_ wrote:
What s the purpose of this thread ?


To determine the correct order of naming the three races of Starcraft.


People have time to loss...


*lose

Besides, if this isn't a priority, I can't imagine what is. You wouldn't want to get the order wrong would you?
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
April 21 2023 01:54 GMT
#49
No one has given the following reasoning yet for T-Z-P:

The game always felt most clearly about the Terran confrontation with the Zerg. And then the Protoss felt like a third thing, like a secondary variable that Terran were never quite sure how to deal with. They always seemed secondary to dealing with the Zerg menace.

Heck, even in pro Brood War, Protoss was always the marginal race. The history of Brood War is largely a Terran/Zerg rivalry with Protoss popping in less often.

I know it's specious and illogical -- but that's just how I feel about it.
For Aiur???
Kenny808mk
Profile Joined January 2023
France11 Posts
April 21 2023 10:14 GMT
#50
Damn i thought teamliquid had a nice and educated community.. a good chunk sure is, but has everywhere else i can see the majority are rather ignorant.. Well at least they're not evil i guess..
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1913 Posts
April 21 2023 12:35 GMT
#51
On April 18 2023 02:45 outscar wrote:
?? TZP.
Terran Episode I Rebel Yell, Zerg Episode II Overmind, Protoss Episode III The Stand.


This is correct, the order in the original campaign, and the SC2 expansions too.
Buff the siegetank
aringadingding
Profile Joined September 2010
474 Posts
April 21 2023 14:53 GMT
#52
why is this interesting? How did this question even pop up? I am actually curious both to why it was written down in the first place and also that people feel enough about this to comment. Interesting
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
861 Posts
April 21 2023 16:04 GMT
#53
On April 21 2023 02:49 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2023 02:22 Vision_ wrote:
On April 19 2023 22:27 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On April 19 2023 22:04 Vision_ wrote:
What s the purpose of this thread ?


To determine the correct order of naming the three races of Starcraft.


People have time to loss...


*lose

Besides, if this isn't a priority, I can't imagine what is. You wouldn't want to get the order wrong would you?


I can t imagine Tolkien creating his world and say : First there s hobbit. Then the second day comes elves, the third day comes human and dwarves... I suppose that a masterpiece can t be created from nothing in one shot, there s multiple drafts and i m convinced there s no interest to define the order of ideas appearing in the mind of this kind of genius, ideas are the essence of creation so arguing which one comes the first look stupid to me.
Riner1212
Profile Joined November 2012
United States337 Posts
April 21 2023 17:15 GMT
#54
whats the point of this poll?
Sjow "pretty ez life as protoss"
moonsjde
Profile Joined October 2022
48 Posts
April 22 2023 04:35 GMT
#55
On April 21 2023 23:53 aringadingding wrote:
why is this interesting? How did this question even pop up? I am actually curious both to why it was written down in the first place and also that people feel enough about this to comment. Interesting

why do you find it interesting that people find it interesting
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-25 18:54:46
April 22 2023 17:20 GMT
#56
I mentioned earlier that TPZ sounds the best.. I think a lot of people are just voting on the order in which they appeared, expansion order, or the order they think of the races. I know for fact if I am speaking I will say Terran Protoss and Zerg now that I know it is the smoothest for me to say.

edit: stupid mistake
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Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
April 22 2023 18:18 GMT
#57
On April 18 2023 14:22 Waxangel wrote:
I understand TZP #1 since it's the campaign order but I'm pretty amused by how TPZ is such a strong #2


I'm also confused by TPZ. I thought it would be campaign order or alphabetical order.

On April 18 2023 19:38 zatic wrote:
Lore-wise it would be Protoss Zerg Terran by order of creation / appearance.


I don't know that this is true at all. I don't know that there are any dates to approximate the beginnings of the Protoss race, but the exile of the Dark Templar happened around 1000 years before Brood War, or around 1500 C.E. And with their evolution having been sped up by the Xel'Naga, it seems very likely that humanity predates the Protoss by a huge margin. Unless you're using "Terran" to refer specifically to Koprulu Sector humans.

On April 21 2023 10:54 Fighter wrote:
No one has given the following reasoning yet for T-Z-P:

The game always felt most clearly about the Terran confrontation with the Zerg. And then the Protoss felt like a third thing, like a secondary variable that Terran were never quite sure how to deal with. They always seemed secondary to dealing with the Zerg menace.

Heck, even in pro Brood War, Protoss was always the marginal race. The history of Brood War is largely a Terran/Zerg rivalry with Protoss popping in less often.

I know it's specious and illogical -- but that's just how I feel about it.


This has been my biggest complaint with the games' story by far. Original StarCraft was Protoss vs. Zerg with Terrans caught in the middle, and since then Blizzard don't seem to have had any idea what to do with Protoss. In Brood War Fenix and his forces are basically included as the in-game forces for the Terran character of Raynor, who has the motivations. And in StarCraft 2 they created the Tal'darim just so they could have Protoss units in the game without having to figure out a way to have Protoss actually involved in the story.

And I don't even want to talk about Legacy of the Void.

On April 23 2023 02:20 Mutaller wrote:
I mentioned earlier that TPZ sounds the best. I didn't even realize it was alphabetical on top of that.


Uh...
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15325 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-23 06:17:28
April 23 2023 06:14 GMT
#58
On April 23 2023 03:18 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2023 19:38 zatic wrote:
Lore-wise it would be Protoss Zerg Terran by order of creation / appearance.


I don't know that this is true at all. I don't know that there are any dates to approximate the beginnings of the Protoss race, but the exile of the Dark Templar happened around 1000 years before Brood War, or around 1500 C.E. And with their evolution having been sped up by the Xel'Naga, it seems very likely that humanity predates the Protoss by a huge margin. Unless you're using "Terran" to refer specifically to Koprulu Sector humans.

There is no exact timeline, but Protoss records speak of the Xel Naga ruling their worlds "10s of millions of years ago". If we take the exit of the Xel Naga from Aiur as the end of that period, which makes sense from Protoss records, then it's been millions of years from the Protoss creation.

Even the Protoss evolutionary timeline has them living for "hundreds of generations" before the Xel Naga speed their evolution for another 1000 years for the Protoss to reach sentience. After "a few thousand years" the Protoss civil war begins and rages for "countless of generations" and "countless centuries".
When the Khala is formed, it is the first time in "thousands of years" that the Protoss regain their primal link. It takes another "few centuries" before the Protoss settle worlds other than Aiur and watch the arrival of the Terrans.

In both timelines I see the Protoss coming before humanity.

Now the Zerg has no dated timeline, and it's possible that the Xel/Naga took their time before continuing their experiment on Zerus after Aiur. Maybe Zerg were created after humanity evolved on Earth. By the Protoss records ("millions of years") that seems unlikely.
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Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
April 23 2023 13:48 GMT
#59
On April 23 2023 15:14 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2023 03:18 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On April 18 2023 19:38 zatic wrote:
Lore-wise it would be Protoss Zerg Terran by order of creation / appearance.


I don't know that this is true at all. I don't know that there are any dates to approximate the beginnings of the Protoss race, but the exile of the Dark Templar happened around 1000 years before Brood War, or around 1500 C.E. And with their evolution having been sped up by the Xel'Naga, it seems very likely that humanity predates the Protoss by a huge margin. Unless you're using "Terran" to refer specifically to Koprulu Sector humans.

There is no exact timeline, but Protoss records speak of the Xel Naga ruling their worlds "10s of millions of years ago". If we take the exit of the Xel Naga from Aiur as the end of that period, which makes sense from Protoss records, then it's been millions of years from the Protoss creation.

Even the Protoss evolutionary timeline has them living for "hundreds of generations" before the Xel Naga speed their evolution for another 1000 years for the Protoss to reach sentience. After "a few thousand years" the Protoss civil war begins and rages for "countless of generations" and "countless centuries".
When the Khala is formed, it is the first time in "thousands of years" that the Protoss regain their primal link. It takes another "few centuries" before the Protoss settle worlds other than Aiur and watch the arrival of the Terrans.

In both timelines I see the Protoss coming before humanity.


I see what you mean. I was going backwards from ~2500 C.E. StarCraft present, ~1500 C.E. the exile of the Dark Templar, at a time when Raszagal would still be able to remember. It's hard to imagine the Conclave would allow them to exist for long after the unification of Aiur, since it's the central sin of their ideology, so I assume only a few centuries between the exile and the creation of the Khala, then centuries, generations or millennia (conflicting sources) since the departure of the Xel'Naga. Even assuming 1000 years between the Khala and the Dark Templar exile, and 2000 years for the Aeon of Strife, both of which I find excessively generous, that still only puts us at ~1500 B.C.E. Add then whatever time the Xel'Naga spend on Aiur with the Protoss, which feels rather short from the description but with such long-lived species could be deceptive. I always assumed it was decades, a century or two at most, but it could be longer. But even giving this another 1000 years of Xel'Naga-Protoss cohabitation, we still get only ~2500 B.C.E. We're still well within the Bronze Age at the point where the Xel'Naga decide that the Protoss have evolved into their modern forms.

I was assuming that pre-Xel'Naga contact Protoss would be the equivalent of earlier hominids and post-contact would be homo sapiens, which are thought to have evolved around 300 000 years ago, compared to Xel'Naga-Protoss contact I estimate at only a few thousand years ago, less than 10 000 by any measure I can imagine. Even adding the hundreds of generations and other thousand years the Xel'Naga observed them, we're nowhere close to the hundreds of thousands of years to reach the birth of homo sapiens. The only date that eclipses that is the Xel'Naga's own history, said to date back tens of millions of years ago.

Of course, all of this is massively speculative, from the timeframes to where we choose to identify the origins of the Protoss, to even how exact the Protoss dates are for anything preceding the creation of the Khala, as much of their knowledge and history was lost to the Aeon of Strife.
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15325 Posts
April 23 2023 15:42 GMT
#60
I mean Protoss live for hundreds of years, so "countless" of generations can easily be 100 000 years and more. From the Khala to present day is pretty recent, yes, so ~2500 years seems about right. But before that the Protoss history can easily stretch for longer than humanity existed.
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