EPTterran is the "original" race that starts the story and is based on real life and zerg sounds best at the end because it's only one syllable so protoss goes in the middle by elimination
What's the correct order of naming the three races of Star…
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moonsjde
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terran is the "original" race that starts the story and is based on real life and zerg sounds best at the end because it's only one syllable so protoss goes in the middle by elimination | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12058 Posts
TvZ ZvP PvT in that order for me. | ||
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
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Husyelt
United States839 Posts
Zerg, Terran, Protoss falls off the tongue way better than any of the other choices. Also, Terran first is a horrible choice for the simple fact that we are implicitly biased towards "Terran" as humans. Gross results | ||
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Vasoline73
United States8181 Posts
That said, Terran Zerg Protoss was how the original game introduced the campaigns. I am inclined to agree this is "correct" | ||
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Vision_
877 Posts
On April 19 2023 22:27 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: To determine the correct order of naming the three races of Starcraft. People have time to loss... | ||
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Kitai
United States886 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
*lose Besides, if this isn't a priority, I can't imagine what is. You wouldn't want to get the order wrong would you? | ||
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Fighter
Korea (South)1531 Posts
The game always felt most clearly about the Terran confrontation with the Zerg. And then the Protoss felt like a third thing, like a secondary variable that Terran were never quite sure how to deal with. They always seemed secondary to dealing with the Zerg menace. Heck, even in pro Brood War, Protoss was always the marginal race. The history of Brood War is largely a Terran/Zerg rivalry with Protoss popping in less often. I know it's specious and illogical -- but that's just how I feel about it. | ||
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Kenny808mk
France11 Posts
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Slydie
2013 Posts
On April 18 2023 02:45 outscar wrote: ?? TZP. Terran Episode I Rebel Yell, Zerg Episode II Overmind, Protoss Episode III The Stand. This is correct, the order in the original campaign, and the SC2 expansions too. | ||
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aringadingding
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Vision_
877 Posts
On April 21 2023 02:49 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: *lose Besides, if this isn't a priority, I can't imagine what is. You wouldn't want to get the order wrong would you? I can t imagine Tolkien creating his world and say : First there s hobbit. Then the second day comes elves, the third day comes human and dwarves... I suppose that a masterpiece can t be created from nothing in one shot, there s multiple drafts and i m convinced there s no interest to define the order of ideas appearing in the mind of this kind of genius, ideas are the essence of creation so arguing which one comes the first look stupid to me. | ||
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Riner1212
United States337 Posts
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moonsjde
48 Posts
On April 21 2023 23:53 aringadingding wrote: why is this interesting? How did this question even pop up? I am actually curious both to why it was written down in the first place and also that people feel enough about this to comment. Interesting why do you find it interesting that people find it interesting | ||
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Mutaller
United States1051 Posts
edit: stupid mistake | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On April 18 2023 14:22 Waxangel wrote: I understand TZP #1 since it's the campaign order but I'm pretty amused by how TPZ is such a strong #2 I'm also confused by TPZ. I thought it would be campaign order or alphabetical order. On April 18 2023 19:38 zatic wrote: Lore-wise it would be Protoss Zerg Terran by order of creation / appearance. I don't know that this is true at all. I don't know that there are any dates to approximate the beginnings of the Protoss race, but the exile of the Dark Templar happened around 1000 years before Brood War, or around 1500 C.E. And with their evolution having been sped up by the Xel'Naga, it seems very likely that humanity predates the Protoss by a huge margin. Unless you're using "Terran" to refer specifically to Koprulu Sector humans. On April 21 2023 10:54 Fighter wrote: No one has given the following reasoning yet for T-Z-P: The game always felt most clearly about the Terran confrontation with the Zerg. And then the Protoss felt like a third thing, like a secondary variable that Terran were never quite sure how to deal with. They always seemed secondary to dealing with the Zerg menace. Heck, even in pro Brood War, Protoss was always the marginal race. The history of Brood War is largely a Terran/Zerg rivalry with Protoss popping in less often. I know it's specious and illogical -- but that's just how I feel about it. This has been my biggest complaint with the games' story by far. Original StarCraft was Protoss vs. Zerg with Terrans caught in the middle, and since then Blizzard don't seem to have had any idea what to do with Protoss. In Brood War Fenix and his forces are basically included as the in-game forces for the Terran character of Raynor, who has the motivations. And in StarCraft 2 they created the Tal'darim just so they could have Protoss units in the game without having to figure out a way to have Protoss actually involved in the story. And I don't even want to talk about Legacy of the Void. On April 23 2023 02:20 Mutaller wrote: I mentioned earlier that TPZ sounds the best. I didn't even realize it was alphabetical on top of that. Uh... | ||
zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
On April 23 2023 03:18 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I don't know that this is true at all. I don't know that there are any dates to approximate the beginnings of the Protoss race, but the exile of the Dark Templar happened around 1000 years before Brood War, or around 1500 C.E. And with their evolution having been sped up by the Xel'Naga, it seems very likely that humanity predates the Protoss by a huge margin. Unless you're using "Terran" to refer specifically to Koprulu Sector humans. There is no exact timeline, but Protoss records speak of the Xel Naga ruling their worlds "10s of millions of years ago". If we take the exit of the Xel Naga from Aiur as the end of that period, which makes sense from Protoss records, then it's been millions of years from the Protoss creation. Even the Protoss evolutionary timeline has them living for "hundreds of generations" before the Xel Naga speed their evolution for another 1000 years for the Protoss to reach sentience. After "a few thousand years" the Protoss civil war begins and rages for "countless of generations" and "countless centuries". When the Khala is formed, it is the first time in "thousands of years" that the Protoss regain their primal link. It takes another "few centuries" before the Protoss settle worlds other than Aiur and watch the arrival of the Terrans. In both timelines I see the Protoss coming before humanity. Now the Zerg has no dated timeline, and it's possible that the Xel/Naga took their time before continuing their experiment on Zerus after Aiur. Maybe Zerg were created after humanity evolved on Earth. By the Protoss records ("millions of years") that seems unlikely. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On April 23 2023 15:14 zatic wrote: There is no exact timeline, but Protoss records speak of the Xel Naga ruling their worlds "10s of millions of years ago". If we take the exit of the Xel Naga from Aiur as the end of that period, which makes sense from Protoss records, then it's been millions of years from the Protoss creation. Even the Protoss evolutionary timeline has them living for "hundreds of generations" before the Xel Naga speed their evolution for another 1000 years for the Protoss to reach sentience. After "a few thousand years" the Protoss civil war begins and rages for "countless of generations" and "countless centuries". When the Khala is formed, it is the first time in "thousands of years" that the Protoss regain their primal link. It takes another "few centuries" before the Protoss settle worlds other than Aiur and watch the arrival of the Terrans. In both timelines I see the Protoss coming before humanity. I see what you mean. I was going backwards from ~2500 C.E. StarCraft present, ~1500 C.E. the exile of the Dark Templar, at a time when Raszagal would still be able to remember. It's hard to imagine the Conclave would allow them to exist for long after the unification of Aiur, since it's the central sin of their ideology, so I assume only a few centuries between the exile and the creation of the Khala, then centuries, generations or millennia (conflicting sources) since the departure of the Xel'Naga. Even assuming 1000 years between the Khala and the Dark Templar exile, and 2000 years for the Aeon of Strife, both of which I find excessively generous, that still only puts us at ~1500 B.C.E. Add then whatever time the Xel'Naga spend on Aiur with the Protoss, which feels rather short from the description but with such long-lived species could be deceptive. I always assumed it was decades, a century or two at most, but it could be longer. But even giving this another 1000 years of Xel'Naga-Protoss cohabitation, we still get only ~2500 B.C.E. We're still well within the Bronze Age at the point where the Xel'Naga decide that the Protoss have evolved into their modern forms. I was assuming that pre-Xel'Naga contact Protoss would be the equivalent of earlier hominids and post-contact would be homo sapiens, which are thought to have evolved around 300 000 years ago, compared to Xel'Naga-Protoss contact I estimate at only a few thousand years ago, less than 10 000 by any measure I can imagine. Even adding the hundreds of generations and other thousand years the Xel'Naga observed them, we're nowhere close to the hundreds of thousands of years to reach the birth of homo sapiens. The only date that eclipses that is the Xel'Naga's own history, said to date back tens of millions of years ago. Of course, all of this is massively speculative, from the timeframes to where we choose to identify the origins of the Protoss, to even how exact the Protoss dates are for anything preceding the creation of the Khala, as much of their knowledge and history was lost to the Aeon of Strife. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
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