EPTPersonally I think the default of Zerg having to be the strongest race lategame has really warped the last few years of the game.
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Moonerz
United States336 Posts
Personally I think the default of Zerg having to be the strongest race lategame has really warped the last few years of the game. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4351 Posts
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tigera6
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QOGQOG
622 Posts
On January 25 2023 01:02 tigera6 wrote: So until now nobody was able to give a logical explanation for why they want to have the World Championship played on a entirely new map pool AND a new patch? Not Scarlett, not Harstem, not Lambo, not ESL nor Blizzard representative (whoever the hell that is)? Like there must be a good explanation for this, right? Do we have the same thing done for WC3/AoE before? They want to shake things up so we finally have a chance at a Zerg champion. | ||
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Sprog
New Zealand81 Posts
I personally find it refreshing to have the community members work on the patch, breathing some new life into the game. Great work team/people. I was a little concerned re disrupter, played a few Diamond ladder games yesterday and it seems to work just as well as before. | ||
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dysenterymd
760 Posts
On January 24 2023 21:28 InfCereal wrote: It's not really released just before katowice. It's been in testing for 4 weeks, and it's been played in tournaments the entire time. It's hardly a surprise to anyone. A patch hasn't been truly tested until it's been played in high stakes tournaments, which ESL cups simply are not. If there are broken new strategies, the best players will be hiding them for Katowice. Players probably knew that the patch would go through before the rest of the community did, but that doesn't solve the problem of hiding strategies. Problems like these are inevitable whenever a new patch is released, which is why right before a tournament like HSC would have been the perfect time to release a patch. The prize pool would be high enough to bring out players' best strategies, and players wouldn't have their yearly earnings ruined if something was seriously wrong. I'm not nearly as pessimistic about the patch as some others but releasing it ahead of Katowice is insane. | ||
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Sogetsu
503 Posts
A lot of people here are so salty it feels they are going to lose their jobs... damn, if TL is like this I don't even want to check the BNet forums right now. | ||
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Athenau
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tigera6
1899 Posts
On January 25 2023 04:59 Sprog wrote: There's probably a decent reason for releasing the patch before Katowice. People are right tourneys and weeklies have been played on the maps/patch for some time. I personally find it refreshing to have the community members work on the patch, breathing some new life into the game. Great work team/people. I was a little concerned re disrupter, played a few Diamond ladder games yesterday and it seems to work just as well as before. And what is that "decent reason"? I believe most of us want to hear it as well. Normally the new patch is apply before IEM when is was NOT the World Championship (Blizzcon was) and its the start of a new season. But since this is now the Global Final, I dont feel the need to get a new patch in, whether it favors Zerg or not, unless something went really wrong and need immediate attention, which clearly isnt the case here. Actually there might be another good reason, and that is everything ends after this IEM, no more EPT and they want to get the final tournament ends with a "splash". | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8117 Posts
On January 25 2023 06:03 tigera6 wrote: And what is that "decent reason"? I believe most of us want to hear it as well. Normally the new patch is apply before IEM when is was NOT the World Championship (Blizzcon was) and its the start of a new season. But since this is now the Global Final, I dont feel the need to get a new patch in, whether it favors Zerg or not, unless something went really wrong and need immediate attention, which clearly isnt the case here. Actually there might be another good reason, and that is everything ends after this IEM, no more EPT and they want to get the final tournament ends with a "splash". My guess would be that it's probably mostly an internal scheduling thing. Like they already started working on the patch, if they don't do it now, they would need to keep the team on the project for like 3 more weeks since you need to keep a buffer before Katowice for debugging and you can push the patch live during Katowice, so that would put them late february. The teams could have other project to work on at that point. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States2871 Posts
(I hope the bugs people pointed out with the Disruptor radius possibly being wrong and/or the Cyclone changes not going through are fixed, though!). Also not a fan of the big patch and maps changes always happening before Katowice, but I guess this makes sense inasmuch as the time before Katowice is basically the closest thing SC2 has to a true "off-season," such that the pros have more time to debate changes and test them than at any other time in the competition cycle. Which is fine I guess, if not optimal. | ||
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RiSkysc2
694 Posts
On January 24 2023 07:49 Charoisaur wrote: Yeah letting pros handle patches is just a bad idea, they clearly have a conflict of interest regarding balancing the game which results in the race that has the most influential community members getting all the buffs. Shameful Protoss has the most players in the balance discord by far and every change is voted on. Every player from the Dreamhack regionals and GSL is in the balance discord (or invited and declined) and thus protoss has the most representation. So yeah there's no zerg cabal. | ||
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TanksALot
United States152 Posts
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CicadaSC
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Athenau
468 Posts
On January 25 2023 09:16 RiSkysc2 wrote: Protoss has the most players in the balance discord by far and every change is voted on. Every player from the Dreamhack regionals and GSL is in the balance discord (or invited and declined) and thus protoss has the most representation. So yeah there's no zerg cabal. How many of them actually vote on each change? | ||
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JJH777
United States3954 Posts
On January 25 2023 09:16 RiSkysc2 wrote: Protoss has the most players in the balance discord by far and every change is voted on. Every player from the Dreamhack regionals and GSL is in the balance discord (or invited and declined) and thus protoss has the most representation. So yeah there's no zerg cabal. Do you actually know this is the case or are you just making stuff up? If you do know this is the case then does everyone get a chance to vote on the patch as a whole and not just each change? Each change is fine in a vacuum it's the overall package combined with the current meta and 4 years of Zerg winning >50% of events that makes it terrible. | ||
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Athenau
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RiSkysc2
694 Posts
On January 25 2023 10:17 JJH777 wrote: Do you actually know this is the case or are you just making stuff up? If you do know this is the case then does everyone get a chance to vote on the patch as a whole and not just each change? Each change is fine in a vacuum it's the overall package combined with the current meta and 4 years of Zerg winning >50% of events that makes it terrible. oh yeah i made it up my bad | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8456 Posts
On January 25 2023 09:16 RiSkysc2 wrote: Protoss has the most players in the balance discord by far and every change is voted on. Every player from the Dreamhack regionals and GSL is in the balance discord (or invited and declined) and thus protoss has the most representation. So yeah there's no zerg cabal. Details on the balance council are few and far between. It's clear that a lot of good players are involved because all of the changes by themselves seem like good or smart ideas. It's as a whole the patch ended up looking like a zerg players dream. There's no buff/nerf balance. It's strange how an over represented protoss can come out with a patch that looks freakishly zerg favoured. So who actually makes the final decisions? The zerg cabal may be a meme but with the patch ending up how it did it's hard not to wonder why. What is the genuine reason behind the race with 8 world championship wins in a row getting buffed right before the 9th? Also why this abominable map pool. Does the balance discord discuss that as well or is it someone else who's deciding these things based on undisclosed reasons. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom211 Posts
On January 25 2023 09:16 RiSkysc2 wrote: Protoss has the most players in the balance discord by far and every change is voted on. Every player from the Dreamhack regionals and GSL is in the balance discord (or invited and declined) and thus protoss has the most representation. So yeah there's no zerg cabal. How many of those people have professional game design experience with a major game development company? EDIT: Even though they're detached from reality, I really enjoy the Zerg Cabal memes. Great stuff. | ||
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