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pinky29
57 Posts
What was it like trying to get funding for an RTS studio in this day and age? The outside perception of RTS is that it's in decline, it's not a hot genre. What were your pitches to investors like? If you had not asked this question, you would not have been a mature adult that understands the capital involved in making a game...especially potential RTS. Great question. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26410 Posts
On October 23 2020 18:01 deacon.frost wrote: Let's just show that on 1 thing - ramp has to be exactly wide on a single force field, natural has to be exactly wide on 3 building wall and nothing more. Because otherwise bad things tend to happen. And that\'s just 2 map limitations without which the map pool becomes unplayable. At the same time if you wanna go the BW way - how do you compensate Protoss(e.g.) for wider ramps to main and nat? Sorry yes that’s something I should have stated in my post, it’s a combo of things. You have the constraints you’re talking about, in addition to trying to made a map pool that is all x v x balanced as well. You need chokey bases that can be walled or Terran and Protoss especially get murdered by Zerg especially, but Zerg thrive in open areas. Yeah I don’t think balancing by maps is possible if you’re trying to balance across every matchup, given those restrictions you mentioned, and I hope this proposed title avoids those pitfalls. That said, we could have more variety if we dropped that requirement and had a bigger map pool, bit of room for experimentation. A map maker could make the greatest PvT map ever currently but if it’s bad for Z matchups it’s never getting in the pool. BW maps aren’t quite as bound by this | ||
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Donger
United States147 Posts
On October 23 2020 22:09 WombaT wrote: Sorry yes that’s something I should have stated in my post, it’s a combo of things. You have the constraints you’re talking about, in addition to trying to made a map pool that is all x v x balanced as well. You need chokey bases that can be walled or Terran and Protoss especially get murdered by Zerg especially, but Zerg thrive in open areas. Yeah I don’t think balancing by maps is possible if you’re trying to balance across every matchup, given those restrictions you mentioned, and I hope this proposed title avoids those pitfalls. That said, we could have more variety if we dropped that requirement and had a bigger map pool, bit of room for experimentation. A map maker could make the greatest PvT map ever currently but if it’s bad for Z matchups it’s never getting in the pool. BW maps aren’t quite as bound by this I don't want to derail the conversation so this will be my last post on this. If there is a perfect TvP map and is poor for Zergs. Put it in the map pool so Terran and Protoss can enjoy it and if you play Zerg veto it. The point about chokes to the main and natural actually promotes what I am trying to say. Imagine a world where we had double wide ramps to the main and wide open naturals. Protoss would feel underpowered and their units buffed accordingly when the solution would be to modify the map. To be clear, I am not talking about a need for a variety of maps. I am talking about balancing the game using map design as the first option. | ||
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crbox
Canada1180 Posts
Obviously Starcraft 2 is an amazing game, but I feel like some design decisions are questionable still. | ||
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
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PorkSoda
170 Posts
On October 24 2020 03:11 xuanzue wrote: caster units must not even be in an RTS I disagree. Science vessels, defilers, high Templar, arbiters, are all great parts of Brood War and help to make each race fun, unique, and balanced. | ||
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rotta
5602 Posts
Exciting! | ||
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washikie
United States752 Posts
On October 24 2020 03:45 PorkSoda wrote: I disagree. Science vessels, defilers, high Templar, arbiters, are all great parts of Brood War and help to make each race fun, unique, and balanced. Although casters are a core part of both BW and sc2 I have never much liked them tbh. They often contribute to imbalnce more so than other units since their impact+ ability to get value over time is really difficult to tune. Spells tend to be either really strong or a bit underwhelming without much middle ground. For abilities I actually much preferred the way that red alert 3 did it. Nearly every unit had an ability that was either a transformation that changed something about the unit or an active ability with a cooldown having every unit have abilities that were situationally use-full was really cool and increased the skill cap a lot.It was also more friendly to noobs since every unit just had one castable ability and they all used the same hotkey. I’d much rather see more units with utility abilities like the reaper grenade or corrosive bile than more straight up spell casters. Although this does not necessarily stop infinite value units from occurring cough bcs cough, it definitely limits it. | ||
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LHK
204 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 24 2020 09:03 washikie wrote: Although casters are a core part of both BW and sc2 I have never much liked them tbh. They often contribute to imbalnce more so than other units since their impact+ ability to get value over time is really difficult to tune. Spells tend to be either really strong or a bit underwhelming without much middle ground. For abilities I actually much preferred the way that red alert 3 did it. Nearly every unit had an ability that was either a transformation that changed something about the unit or an active ability with a cooldown having every unit have abilities that were situationally use-full was really cool and increased the skill cap a lot.It was also more friendly to noobs since every unit just had one castable ability and they all used the same hotkey. I’d much rather see more units with utility abilities like the reaper grenade or corrosive bile than more straight up spell casters. Although this does not necessarily stop infinite value units from occurring cough bcs cough, it definitely limits it. Casters just require the anti-caster unit. In SC1 it was the UI(no smart casting), in SC2 this role was filled by the long range units and/or micro (wp with templars against ghosts). Infinite value can happen but doesn't happen that often, especially with the ground casters. Issue is usually happening with the flying casters and even then its just 1 caster as Ravens in TvT die as well(check Maru's games). | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On October 23 2020 08:47 NonY wrote: i assumed there were some good ideas driving the desire to make a new rts. instead it's just a gathering of ppl who are gonna figure it out starting now. not really interested in following this development anymore. i'll check out what they make once they've made something I also kinda agree with this take. The whole approach of "we want your feedback - listening to the community" is unlikely to lead to best results. Community is good at identifying what they don't like. They are terrible at actually figuring out the underlying causes for not having fun and will confuse correlations with causations, and won't properly be able to analyze effects of the changes they propose. They should have a strong opinion on where they would want to take the game. Rather it appears that they will make a new SC2 with a lower skill flor to make it easier for new players to learn the game. That's not very ambitious in my book although if they executive it well, it could still turn out to be a fun game. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10700 Posts
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Slydie
1932 Posts
They will have their hands full making this game successful, especially considering the insane cost (10 million+) and production time (~4 years) it takes to make a good, polished big rts game. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
For sure. A lot of talented and experienced people are on their team. I think they can make something very good. I was just excited to read a TL interview, which are always in-depth and asking poignant questions, to learn more about their vision. But it's a blank slate. Once they've nailed down some direction, I'll be excited and interested. I imagine they already have some strong opinions or at least a little more direction than they revealed (probably also willing to scrap it and go in any direction at this point), but they're not comfortable sharing it yet. | ||
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GSTL
18 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 25 2020 06:23 GSTL wrote: Make VR RTS (don't ask me how) I already cannot play Alyx, now I won't be able to play this because of people like you  Plz think about people without hw for VR (although I must say that with moar games it would moved me into upgrading the PC) | ||
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lestye
United States4205 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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AssyrianKing
Australia2116 Posts
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Hugo_Roman
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