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PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
October 16 2020 01:13 GMT
#41
If Starcraft Esports ever looks like it's on the ropes completely hopefully Team Liquid and some big sponsors can come together to keep it going. There isn't another game for Starcraft people to switch to. We aren't going anywhere.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
October 16 2020 01:17 GMT
#42
On October 16 2020 08:07 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2020 07:59 eviltomahawk wrote:
It has been a fun decade of SC2 and its content updates. Sad to see it finally ending, especially with nothing new on the horizon in regards to RTS games.

Wasn't AoE 4 announced?

Considering how Microsoft handled the AoE II remaster and how Blizzard handled WC3 remaster, I am sadly glad that Blizzard has nothing in works(at least publically) and MS has. Alas it will require Win10 which I don't use currently and certainly won't in the near future, so screw me anyway.

I would love some new commanders or fancy updates to the coop though, it's a fun part of the game. Also increasing the tourney budged via warchests seems cool to me, sad they stopped with this.

But hey, there will be other games and they will leave the ladder on, hopefully... (this is the most worrysome thing)

Show nested quote +
On October 16 2020 08:05 CatheadSC2 wrote:
This just means SC2 can finally enter the glorious post-Blizzard era, so they can stop screwing the meta up and things can actually develop.

I know they're still saying "don't worry we'll do balance patches" but I hope they just stop. We wouldn't have half the story lines we do in BW if they had continued patching based on competitive results.

Blizzard has the power over the ladder/matchmaking and the map pool. Just saying that the no touch policy would mean ladder without new maps


There will be new maps and balance tweaks, but there won't be massive overhauls and unit redesigns like we had in the past.

Blizzard's method for adding new maps to the game has relied on community development for a long time already. The only thing they really do there is simply pick and choose which ones to add in. They can keep doing that.

Heroes of the Storm has been in maintenence mode for a long time and they still get pretty regular hero balances and reworks even if their map pool is still pretty much stuck. SC2 can keep getting new maps, it takes Blizz almost no effort to retune the map pool.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-16 01:33:20
October 16 2020 01:32 GMT
#43
On October 16 2020 09:07 Wintex wrote:
I think GSL is dead and that's the hidden information mr Apollo was refraining from sharing when he tweeted this:


Well, hope we get AS2L in Korea then, save us Afreeca.

Let's be honest, Afreeca titling current GSL Season as 'Last Stand' is a bit too foreboding.

So hope not, even if Acti-Blizzard's present attitude of putting game on life support makes it obvious it should be.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Yeuox
Profile Joined July 2018
1 Post
October 16 2020 01:39 GMT
#44
On October 16 2020 07:59 eviltomahawk wrote:
It has been a fun decade of SC2 and its content updates. Sad to see it finally ending, especially with nothing new on the horizon in regards to RTS games.


There is Spellforce 3 around, they working on a second expansion and matchmaking atm, not sure when we will get them, it's pretty fun ! and aoe4 as someone said in another comment :D
MinixTheNerd
Profile Joined July 2019
200 Posts
October 16 2020 01:44 GMT
#45
Activision Blizzards motives have been quite clear in the recent few years, they have been systematically downsizing most of the E sports divisions and tripling down on Overwatch League. The initial backlash with HGC taught them that they shouldn't just suddenly cut all funding to a league, which is probably why they signed a 3 year contract with ESL. However it is obvious that they are intending to cut all spending on SC2, this will likely mean future tournaments will field a smaller prize pool, so that organizations that are having trouble getting sponsors will either have fewer tournaments or simply reduce the number of player spots in their tournaments.
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
October 16 2020 01:46 GMT
#46
On October 16 2020 10:44 MinixTheNerd wrote:
Activision Blizzards motives have been quite clear in the recent few years, they have been systematically downsizing most of the E sports divisions and tripling down on Overwatch League. The initial backlash with HGC taught them that they shouldn't just suddenly cut all funding to a league, which is probably why they signed a 3 year contract with ESL. However it is obvious that they are intending to cut all spending on SC2, this will likely mean future tournaments will field a smaller prize pool, so that organizations that are having trouble getting sponsors will either have fewer tournaments or simply reduce the number of player spots in their tournaments.


Good thing the deal runs till 2023, after that the community will take over. But yes the pro player scene wont be the same
mounteast0
Profile Joined January 2020
59 Posts
October 16 2020 01:47 GMT
#47
For the non progamers and every average joe like myself, it will be good if blizzard can confirm there will be periodic map rotation.

For the progamer, it is time to think about streaming. I heard (from BW and SC2 content creator video) BW pro have been making more money off streaming and donation rather than competition price pool. So may be we can see serral and maru playing day in day out instead of just in big tournament?
Howard_Kao
Profile Joined September 2018
China261 Posts
October 16 2020 02:23 GMT
#48
On October 16 2020 10:47 mounteast0 wrote:
For the non progamers and every average joe like myself, it will be good if blizzard can confirm there will be periodic map rotation.

For the progamer, it is time to think about streaming. I heard (from BW and SC2 content creator video) BW pro have been making more money off streaming and donation rather than competition price pool. So may be we can see serral and maru playing day in day out instead of just in big tournament?

Or maybe they just won't play anymore becauee they had earn enough, if it happens, it'll be so sad
"You don't need a gsl champion, you don't need a esl champion. I feel like I'm just a normal man. I just practice very hard this time, like 15hrs everyday" Oliveira 2023
RandomPlayer416
Profile Joined January 2019
84 Posts
October 16 2020 02:26 GMT
#49
I'll be completely honest. I dont want a Starcraft 3 if Blizzard is going to be the studio making it.

The current Blizzard is not the Blizzard that created broodwar / WoL, they just are not capable of making a great game. They never listen to the community until its too late, they give us changes nobody asks for and take months to provide any sort of update. I love starcraft but it is better off without Blizzards involvement at this point.
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
October 16 2020 02:33 GMT
#50
On October 16 2020 11:23 Howard_Kao wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2020 10:47 mounteast0 wrote:
For the non progamers and every average joe like myself, it will be good if blizzard can confirm there will be periodic map rotation.

For the progamer, it is time to think about streaming. I heard (from BW and SC2 content creator video) BW pro have been making more money off streaming and donation rather than competition price pool. So may be we can see serral and maru playing day in day out instead of just in big tournament?

Or maybe they just won't play anymore becauee they had earn enough, if it happens, it'll be so sad


Thats more likely, really doubt those guys that refuse to play 20k+ tournaments will suddenly stream everyday in 2023 just to get some donations here and there. They now have time to think about a transition, go hard for another 2 years and then go into the next chapter of their lives
MinixTheNerd
Profile Joined July 2019
200 Posts
October 16 2020 02:36 GMT
#51
On October 16 2020 11:26 RandomPlayer416 wrote:
I'll be completely honest. I dont want a Starcraft 3 if Blizzard is going to be the studio making it.

The current Blizzard is not the Blizzard that created broodwar / WoL, they just are not capable of making a great game. They never listen to the community until its too late, they give us changes nobody asks for and take months to provide any sort of update. I love starcraft but it is better off without Blizzards involvement at this point.


I agree, Blizzard has awful business practices, shocking writing quality when it comes to the campaign story; and a conflict of interest between balancing the game vs making it entertaining to watch.

For me personally I will only be invested in sc2 content for as long as my favourite pro-gamers are active, as soon as they retire or move onto other games, then I'm basically out too.
Aesto
Profile Joined September 2014
44 Posts
October 16 2020 02:55 GMT
#52
On October 16 2020 10:39 Yeuox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2020 07:59 eviltomahawk wrote:
It has been a fun decade of SC2 and its content updates. Sad to see it finally ending, especially with nothing new on the horizon in regards to RTS games.


There is Spellforce 3 around, they working on a second expansion and matchmaking atm, not sure when we will get them, it's pretty fun ! and aoe4 as someone said in another comment :D

There is also Total War: Warhammer 2. There is a tournament scene, and those games tend to be amazing to watch. It is a lot more accessible than Starcraft, it also has a pretty large playerbase, and Creative Assembly is flush with cash thanks to the success of Three Kingdoms. All Total War games (but especially Three Kingdoms ofc) are very popular in China, which nowadays seems to be very helpful in getting a competitive multiplayer scene financed. So the game has a lot of potential for a healthy esports scene. The game is really only held back by its terrible ladder, especially the way the lobby works and all the laming strategies that exist in the game. All that doesn't exist in tournaments, so they tend to be great, but without a good ladder, it is hard for new people to get into it, so most just stick to singleplayer. But I feel that for TW: Warhammer 3, Creative Assembly could potentially focus on improving the multiplayer. I sort of doubt it, but it would be amazing.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
October 16 2020 03:13 GMT
#53
I hope balance updates continue. That's all that matter to me.
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
October 16 2020 03:13 GMT
#54
Does this mean they can finally work on StarCraft: Ghost?!
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-16 03:33:03
October 16 2020 03:20 GMT
#55
On October 16 2020 11:55 Aesto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2020 10:39 Yeuox wrote:
On October 16 2020 07:59 eviltomahawk wrote:
It has been a fun decade of SC2 and its content updates. Sad to see it finally ending, especially with nothing new on the horizon in regards to RTS games.


There is Spellforce 3 around, they working on a second expansion and matchmaking atm, not sure when we will get them, it's pretty fun ! and aoe4 as someone said in another comment :D

There is also Total War: Warhammer 2. There is a tournament scene, and those games tend to be amazing to watch. It is a lot more accessible than Starcraft, it also has a pretty large playerbase, and Creative Assembly is flush with cash thanks to the success of Three Kingdoms. All Total War games (but especially Three Kingdoms ofc) are very popular in China, which nowadays seems to be very helpful in getting a competitive multiplayer scene financed. So the game has a lot of potential for a healthy esports scene. The game is really only held back by its terrible ladder, especially the way the lobby works and all the laming strategies that exist in the game. All that doesn't exist in tournaments, so they tend to be great, but without a good ladder, it is hard for new people to get into it, so most just stick to singleplayer. But I feel that for TW: Warhammer 3, Creative Assembly could potentially focus on improving the multiplayer. I sort of doubt it, but it would be amazing.


Total Warhammer 2 as a competitive game is a joke.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-16 03:33:07
October 16 2020 03:28 GMT
#56
RIP RTS genre. We will never see the like of StarCraft games again. Only boring and slow ass RTS like Total War left. Fuck gaming trend with its endless stream of FPS and BR.
Garbo1
Profile Joined July 2020
49 Posts
October 16 2020 03:33 GMT
#57
No new coop commanders, I guess that's me tapping out of sc2 permanently.
SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines894 Posts
October 16 2020 04:30 GMT
#58
sad and alarming. looks like it's a bad time to come back to the game after all.
Don't practice until you can get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong.
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
October 16 2020 04:51 GMT
#59
It was a fun ride boys, Starcraft at its worst is 10 times more fun to watch than the other esports. We got funding until 2022 but this probably shows what Blizzard plans for the game after that.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
AlexZhang1012
Profile Joined June 2019
63 Posts
October 16 2020 04:51 GMT
#60
This is the HotS situation all over again. Not the first time Blizzard makes a *viewer friendly content* decision. They just leave the game to survive or die on the mercy of third-party organizers.
btw Team LP just confirmed that their contracts with Patience and Hurricane has ended on a peaceful term. Things are moving too fast.
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