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lechatnoir
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jpg06051992
United States580 Posts
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yht9657
1810 Posts
A man can dream. | ||
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ThunderJunk
United States720 Posts
In the winter of last year, I was worried the scene was on life support and was dying. Now we still have 2 more years guaranteed from ESL, so that's excellent. I wonder if there will ever be talks of loosening up the IP restrictions so that independent businesses can more easily utilize Starcraft 2 to create profitable content without the looming threat of legal action. As it is right now I struggle to see how any Esports ventures actually make any money on their own... And I don't think you need to be an expert to see that the extreme looming threat of legal action, and lack of ownership rights more generally discourages a lot of would-be independent content creators from spreading the popularity of the game even further. | ||
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Bluejava
Sweden135 Posts
This was gonna happen sooner or later anyway. To be honest, in the begining they probably saw a steady income from this. But now they probably dont earn anything at all. They say that they gonna keep promoting the franchise, which they must cuz it has huge value for them. As they can sell it to Microsoft  ......I think this is non news | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
I guess the true repercussions of this will not be known until Apollo releases the full plan for next year. How GSL will be effected is a big one and much more important to me than co-op commanders and skins. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On October 16 2020 15:42 Shuffleblade wrote: Well we all knew it was coming, the decline of Blizzard support. I don't even know if this is bad news, no new content to buy isn't that horrible what kind of support has Blizzard given that we will miss? I guess the true repercussions of this will not be known until Apollo releases the full plan for next year. How GSL will be effected is a big one and much more important to me than co-op commanders and skins. Does ESL have any say in GSL? I thought it was all Afreeca, if ESL had any say in GSL i think we would already have foreigners seeded into RO4. | ||
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col_jung
139 Posts
With no more big overhauls or redesigns coming, what do you think of the current state of the game? We're probably now stuck with it forever. Fingers crossed this final design will have a lot of longevity. Are there any previous annual iterations you preferred? Did you prefer a previous of the Raven, Cyclone etc.? | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On October 16 2020 14:16 IvorYchef wrote: I think making Sc2 free to play and adding skins and voice packs and so on was bad from the begining. This was gonna happen sooner or later anyway. To be honest, in the begining they probably saw a steady income from this. But now they probably dont earn anything at all. They say that they gonna keep promoting the franchise, which they must cuz it has huge value for them. As they can sell it to Microsoft ......I think this is non news This comment is so out of touch with the modern video game monetization model. Microtransaction sales give companies a reason to keep investing after a product's launch and it boosted the number of players. Microtransactions like skins, announcers, etc give casual players an incentive to keep playing and help keep a game's playerbase healthy. This is bad for Starcraft and certainly not "non news". | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On October 16 2020 15:48 Morbidius wrote: Does ESL have any say in GSL? I thought it was all Afreeca, if ESL had any say in GSL i think we would already have foreigners seeded into RO4. What do you mean if they have any say? I do know ESL lays the plans for the global starcraft 2 circuit and the rules for how that competition works. This means ESL also has a plan for how GSL fits into the starcraft 2 professional circuit, if GSL disappears ESL will know. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 16 2020 10:17 Vindicare605 wrote: There will be new maps and balance tweaks, but there won't be massive overhauls and unit redesigns like we had in the past. Blizzard's method for adding new maps to the game has relied on community development for a long time already. The only thing they really do there is simply pick and choose which ones to add in. They can keep doing that. Heroes of the Storm has been in maintenence mode for a long time and they still get pretty regular hero balances and reworks even if their map pool is still pretty much stuck. SC2 can keep getting new maps, it takes Blizz almost no effort to retune the map pool. Notice what i was reacting too, the person required literal no touch policy from Blizzard. | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
SC2 has the perfect mix of macro and micro. Age of Empires is a fantastic game but too slow and macro focused. Warcraft III is not even a RTS, it is 95% micro which I find boring. SC2 is the best game ever made in my opinion. And I haved played computer games since the early 80s. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
So is there any way Blizzard can still get money from SC2 now? | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On October 16 2020 09:07 Wintex wrote: I think GSL is dead and that's the hidden information mr Apollo was refraining from sharing when he tweeted this: Well, hope we get AS2L in Korea then, save us Afreeca. Afreeca and Blizzard signed a multi-year deal for all the blizzard games. Afaik they didn't say how many years, but it's obviously more than one. Likewise, the blizzard-ESL deal is for three years. So this announcement means nothing for SC2 esports short-term. The question is what happens after the current contracts expire. On October 16 2020 16:19 Shuffleblade wrote: What do you mean if they have any say? I do know ESL lays the plans for the global starcraft 2 circuit and the rules for how that competition works. This means ESL also has a plan for how GSL fits into the starcraft 2 professional circuit, if GSL disappears ESL will know. No, ESL doesn't have any say in the GSL. Afreeca has their own contract with Blizzard and organise their own tournament (some more coordination between the two organisers would be nice though. Hopefully we get that in 2021) | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2216 Posts
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Elentos
55560 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
The game and community will most likely continue to exist well beyond that, but without cash from Blizzard I expect a massive downscaling in the competitive scene which will have riple effects in other facets of Starcraft (e.g. streaming). The community will most likely soften the blow by crowdfunding their own events, but I don't think they will be able to replace Blizzard in this capacity. | ||
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