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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
This is not remotely comparable to HoTS, Sc2's competitive scene has at least 30 other months of guaranteed support. Sc2 won't die after that, it will downscale. And even if so, people were calling Sc2 a dead game in 2013 already and turns out it this might happen more than 10 years later; not a bad lifespan for the most successful competitive Rts in the history of videogames. | ||
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
On October 16 2020 16:49 JustPassingBy wrote: RIP Starcraft as we know it from 2023 onwards. :-/ The game and community will most likely continue to exist well beyond that, but without cash from Blizzard I expect a massive downscaling in the competitive scene which will have riple effects in other facets of Starcraft (e.g. streaming). The community will most likely soften the blow by crowdfunding their own events, but I don't think they will be able to replace Blizzard in this capacity. Meanwhile Afreeca have to pay good money to host a tournament | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
In the end we're on the same boat and some changes had to be done, maybe there is a chance to make it all better? 3 years is esports is a huge period honestly, we got time to figure it out, we got a powerful core community that dedicated many talented people to such big companies esl/dh/shopify/deepmind/redbull/twitch and others directly involved in esports. SC2 was a catalyst and it was directly responsible for the new era of competitive esports, in 2010-2013 it also allowed twitch to rise to the level it has now. | ||
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imJealous
United States1382 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
On October 16 2020 23:51 outscar wrote: No new Blizzcon anymore right? Sucks wanted to see Reynor hold that trophy one last time... It could be a very long time before Blizzard even mentions anything StarCraft-related again at another Blizzcon. | ||
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PabloSanchez
United States37 Posts
On October 16 2020 13:51 lechatnoir wrote: The only thing that counts is GSL and the Pro Tour. In general, absolutely, more specifically, some of the other community tourneys are rather important too. Homestory Cup, this year's King of Battles, NationWars, TSL, etc. Something CatZ said on his stream last night about the "offseason" between GSL seasons and this DH Summer/Fall/Winter. When there is a dearth of official tournaments, these kind of tournaments have done really well in filling the gap. The worry now is will those dwindle over time, which would be unfortunate. Of course, 2 additional years with ESL means two more years of weekly ESL Open Cups, which is absolutely stellar. From my perspective, TLO leaving TL to be Shopify's eSports Program Manager means that there are some 3rd parties that are really considering investing time and potentially resources into the scene. What I've enjoyed, especially during the COVID lockdown, is the consistent amount of content to watch. AlphaX has done a great job filling the gap, hopefully they continue to do so. Indy has done a lot as well, Wardi and his tourneys have been great, etc. CatZ said something else too: "Well yes, if you perceive the scene to be dead, then it is dead. But if you choose to see it as alive and running instead, then that's what it will be." (paraphrasing, not exact) Blizzard's post doesn't change my interest in the pro scene as long as there is one. There's plenty to be excited about and there's plenty to be hopeful of. As long as the top players continue to give their all, I will support the scene. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27298 Posts
On October 17 2020 00:34 PabloSanchez wrote: In general, absolutely, more specifically, some of the other community tourneys are rather important too. Homestory Cup, this year's King of Battles, NationWars, TSL, etc. Something CatZ said on his stream last night about the "offseason" between GSL seasons and this DH Summer/Fall/Winter. When there is a dearth of official tournaments, these kind of tournaments have done really well in filling the gap. The worry now is will those dwindle over time, which would be unfortunate. Of course, 2 additional years with ESL means two more years of weekly ESL Open Cups, which is absolutely stellar. From my perspective, TLO leaving TL to be Shopify's eSports Program Manager means that there are some 3rd parties that are really considering investing time and potentially resources into the scene. What I've enjoyed, especially during the COVID lockdown, is the consistent amount of content to watch. AlphaX has done a great job filling the gap, hopefully they continue to do so. Indy has done a lot as well, Wardi and his tourneys have been great, etc. CatZ said something else too: "Well yes, if you perceive the scene to be dead, then it is dead. But if you choose to see it as alive and running instead, then that's what it will be." (paraphrasing, not exact) Blizzard's post doesn't change my interest in the pro scene as long as there is one. There's plenty to be excited about and there's plenty to be hopeful of. As long as the top players continue to give their all, I will support the scene. If Blizzard didn’t hold the keys to the kingdom in terms of the actual game UI and servers etc I’d feel 100% confident here. We’ve got a great dedicated community, companies willing to sponsor SC2 content etc. I have no worries there whatsoever, but the community currently has no way to replace Blizzard in terms of balance, ladder map pools etc. Unlike what we’ve seen in BW and WC3 in the past. Depends how this moves on going forwards, and what level of maintainence Blizz commits to. | ||
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Highways
Australia6120 Posts
Why did they have to kill that | ||
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BlacKcuD
Germany107 Posts
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
The community can create the content on it's own. TLMC can be used for adding to map pools and with the new 5.0 Editor fingers crossed the Arcade becomes the new home for original content. The only big loss to me is no more Co-op commanders and no more funding from War Chests. Beyond that, the less influence from Blizzard the better off SC2 is in the long term. | ||
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Swisslink
2956 Posts
And on the plus side, these were the first comments by Blizzard that suggest that new games in the StarCraft universe are on the horizon? I definitely do not expect a StarCraft III given the state of the RTS genre in recent years (although some publisher seem to be willing to invest into the genre again recently with remakes and remasters being released). Any new game in the StarCraft universe would be awesome though. And if the end of commanders and Warchest means that the eSport-scene will still be there and at the same time they are working on something new, that's a positive thing overall, imo. ... the only thing that worries me is that we don't know what Blizzard is up to these days in general. This news does not change anything about that though. Even without any word - or maybe even more without any word - I would have been worried that they suddenly killed the game because it does not make enough profit for them. So... no change in worries in this regard for me. Blizzard pulling away from the game might actually be even good there, because the scene can stabilize independently of Blizzard. | ||
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
So i think that as long as people would play, and the player base is legit, there will always be some investors to host a tournament, or lan and shit like that. Pro scene will definitely shrink, but hopefully thanks to passion, wilk never perish. | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Next year ESL is pretty much happening. Next year GSL? I don't known... And after that? I wouldn't bet on it. It's cool there are contracts, but even that is no guarantee. | ||
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Comedy
469 Posts
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
On October 17 2020 01:45 Comedy wrote: Can we just go back to brood war I tried to go back to BW after so many years of sc2...No fucking way. It's unplayable for me. Butni still like to watch proffesionals in Korea. | ||
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TanksALot
United States153 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13412 Posts
On October 17 2020 01:59 TanksALot wrote: Kind of surprised about the loss of Co-op support. I thought that was the biggest active part of the game. It would be fun if they allowed user maps in the future... Always thought it could be cool to have a longer map with 3+ expansions etc. Maybe they're going to work on a new game in the SC universe? Resources might be shifting no way for us to know. | ||
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rotta
5643 Posts
World of Starcraft please | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4115 Posts
We all knew 2020 was never going out of beta and we went straight to 2021 release. | ||
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