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Lalo504
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TelecoM
United States10646 Posts
On October 17 2020 02:25 Lalo504 wrote: GJ tl you did it. You killed SC2. You banned people which created constructive posts in polite way!!! Even demuslim got flamed here, when he posted about protoss economy. TL cucks, now you will be irrelevant. Now you reap what you have seeded. And you, sc2 community is so DELUSIONAL, you can't talk about balance, or you get shit on. You driven everyone out of the game. FUCK YOU ALL TARDS!!! LOL. What? Where is the correlation here? | ||
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
On October 17 2020 01:13 hiroshOne wrote: It's 2020 and I still play Unreal Tournament 99 with my guys. There are CTF international cups in Europe. Every year we have big lan party here in Poland. Epic gave their source code to community and thanks to that we have new patches. 21 years and ppl are still playing. And UT was never as big as sc2. So i think that as long as people would play, and the player base is legit, there will always be some investors to host a tournament, or lan and shit like that. Pro scene will definitely shrink, but hopefully thanks to passion, wilk never perish. I don't know about that, passion have been driven by developers updates for so long | ||
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Swisslink
2949 Posts
On October 17 2020 01:38 [Phantom] wrote: People here are very confident about the two more years of GSL and ESL. You don't know the contracts. There could be clauses that let blizzard pull out at any time. Hell, I bet there are. Next year ESL is pretty much happening. Next year GSL? I don't known... And after that? I wouldn't bet on it. It's cool there are contracts, but even that is no guarantee. Yes, they might be allowed to pull out. Everyone probably knows that StarCraft is most likely not the most profitable game Activision has released. Everyone knows that there's a risk that Blizzard is going to kill the game at one point. This news here however does not push this any closer. The news is - in the end nothing but a confirmation that the game in terms of additional content outside the professional scene is being cut. And this alone is not a bad thing, considering it might be hinting towards a new StarCraft game. It might not, agreed, but just based on this news there's not much to be worried about. On October 17 2020 02:31 AntiHack wrote: I don't know about that, passion have been driven by developers updates for so long SC2 has an insanely passionate community and SC2 as an eSport has even withing the eSports scene a good reputation. I don't know how long the game could stay alive without Blizzard's funding, but among the less popular eSports titles, StarCraft II would probably be among the ones that could deal with it the best. | ||
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
On October 17 2020 02:34 Swisslink wrote: Yes, they might be allowed to pull out. Everyone probably knows that StarCraft is most likely not the most profitable game Activision has released. Everyone knows that there's a risk that Blizzard is going to kill the game at one point. This news here however does not push this any closer. The news is - in the end nothing but a confirmation that the game in terms of additional content outside the professional scene is being cut. And this alone is not a bad thing, considering it might be hinting towards a new StarCraft game. It might not, agreed, but just based on this news there's not much to be worried about. SC2 has an insanely passionate community and SC2 as an eSport has even withing the eSports scene a good reputation. I don't know how long the game could stay alive without Blizzard's funding, but among the less popular eSports titles, StarCraft II would probably be among the ones that could deal with it the best. Give the community few days and they'll gonna whine about the meta being stale or something lol Edit: Not to mention balance whine XD | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
All their recent projects are just desappointed, they seemed to fire every creators and kept only the marketing team. SC2 is just a game that is niche compared to moba/FPS, it's logic for guys interested in money only to give up starcraft 2. | ||
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whiterabbit
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On October 17 2020 03:15 whiterabbit wrote: I just hope, really really really hope that current ActiBlizz doesn't touch SC IP in any shape or form. I guess this is the one sliver of good news in the announcement: 95 years until Starcraft enters public domain. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16382 Posts
On October 17 2020 01:02 Highways wrote: Co-op is still quite massive. Why did they have to kill that ROI man. if ATVI has the balls to discontinue Guitar Hero the nanosecond is starts to decline they definitely have the balls to lower support for SC2. I think the year SC2 came out and the game generated its most revenue it still only represented 2% of ATVI's total revenue. The Starcraft franchise has great brand strength, however, it does not generate much revenue or profit. Fortunately, Bobby Kotick recognizes brand strength and has a keen eye in that area. Thus, ATVI has kept Starcraft alive well beyond its "Best Before" date. | ||
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PabloSanchez
United States37 Posts
On October 17 2020 00:43 WombaT wrote: If Blizzard didn’t hold the keys to the kingdom in terms of the actual game UI and servers etc I’d feel 100% confident here. We’ve got a great dedicated community, companies willing to sponsor SC2 content etc. I have no worries there whatsoever, but the community currently has no way to replace Blizzard in terms of balance, ladder map pools etc. Unlike what we’ve seen in BW and WC3 in the past. Depends how this moves on going forwards, and what level of maintainence Blizz commits to. Fair point on that, however if Blizzard is truly leaning towards distancing themselves from SC2 then hopefully that means at some point they will part with those "keys to the kingdom." Sell them to another org, ESL or Afreeca maybe, idk. Wishful thinking, sure, but not unfathomable. Balance, I do worry. If they are going super lax on their maintenance, we may end up with a very stagnant metagame for way longer. If it goes from quarterly updates to twice a year, not the worst. Fewer than that? Does not bode well... Ladder map pools? Not so much. The TL mapmaking contests have always garnered a lot of attention and creativity. Hell, someone made a GOAT tournament for all of the maps in the ladder pool over the years. That can either ramp up to the point that more maps get submitted, or if it stays stagnant then we can just select additional finalists rather than just a couple, or something along those lines. Only time will tell of course. For now I'll just enjoy the tournaments we're guaranteed to have | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16382 Posts
As long as Kotick runs the show ATVI won't sell the Starcraft IP. Activision is all about leveraging IP. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12128 Posts
On October 17 2020 05:10 JimmyJRaynor wrote: people are dreaming in technicolour if they think ATVI will sell off IP. They will "park" the Starcraft IP and use it a few years later long before they'll ever sell it. How long has Activision parked IP like Pitfall! , Spyro and Guitar Hero? As long as Kotick runs the show ATVI won't sell the Starcraft IP. Activision is all about leveraging IP. Also why would they sell the Starcraft IP? Did they sell Star Trek to Seth MacFarlane? No! Did it stop him from creating Star Trek named The Orville? Nope!  Something about rose and shit  | ||
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I wasbanned fromthis
113 Posts
Ego fiddler on the lyre from Letch; Prede. | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23745 Posts
On October 17 2020 05:00 PabloSanchez wrote: Fair point on that, however if Blizzard is truly leaning towards distancing themselves from SC2 then hopefully that means at some point they will part with those "keys to the kingdom." Sell them to another org, ESL or Afreeca maybe, idk. Wishful thinking, sure, but not unfathomable. Balance, I do worry. If they are going super lax on their maintenance, we may end up with a very stagnant metagame for way longer. If it goes from quarterly updates to twice a year, not the worst. Fewer than that? Does not bode well... Ladder map pools? Not so much. The TL mapmaking contests have always garnered a lot of attention and creativity. Hell, someone made a GOAT tournament for all of the maps in the ladder pool over the years. That can either ramp up to the point that more maps get submitted, or if it stays stagnant then we can just select additional finalists rather than just a couple, or something along those lines. Only time will tell of course. For now I'll just enjoy the tournaments we're guaranteed to have I’m not pessimistic/optimistic, we’ll see. There are positives and negatives to the current model. What I do like about it is that the game is standardised at least on the ladder. You go on and play the same game as everyone else is playing. Which tbh I think is good and underrated frequently, as someone who at times has tried to play older games with multiple different servers, different pools etc. Everyone’s in that ecosystem, be it a lowly scrub like me or Maru laddering over in Korea. There are downsides to that level control, notably customisation and well, everything else if the developer stops paying to maintain it. Worst case is Blizz stops bothering but doesn’t let someone else do the job. Frankly I’m not sure how likely it is, they’ve hD enough community backlashes lately and unlike others this one doesn’t even really cost them much money to avoid. Best case I think is some mechanism where users can upload skins and voice packs and proceeds could fund a Warchest successor, and maps could be done via the TL contest, with ESL and GSL having some input too. That really only leaves Blizz having to do occasional balance patches. To be honest something akin to that setup would have made sense to implement ages ago. Tournament organisers run the tournaments (which we have now), have input on map pools which the community create and shape. | ||
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112StaminaX
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
The only reason they would keep giving money to tournaments and the scene is if they are planning on making a game were the goodwill will translate into sales. Which means they are working on something new starcraft related (or rts related), its the onlyt explanation. The three years contract feels to me to make clear expectations and also create a very firm deadline for them when they have to realse their new game and earn money on the starcraft community again. With that in mind it makes sense to funnel all developers into the new game and away from warchests and commanders. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On October 17 2020 05:59 I wasbanned fromthis wrote: "I hope this means SC3." Ego fiddler on the lyre from Letch; Prede. or it could be warcraft 4 ;p i wouldnt be salty if this came true at all cuz both communities deserve a fucking sequel but as for warcraft story-wise, they are shooting themselves in da foot right now so sc3 would be moar likely tho | ||
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Carminedust1
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VeritasSC2
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