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On October 08 2019 11:44 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2019 10:00 JJH777 wrote:
GSL really won't be the same by 2021. Even 2020 just losing Classic, Keen and Gumiho is so huge. On the plus side if we get to 2022-23 one of Impact-Huricane-Bunny-Ragnarok-Trust-Patience or Creator should finally deliver on it's potential and win a GSL. That or Maru win every GSL until he's literally the only player left in the tournament.
Or maybe Maru will simply win everything without even bothering to practice.
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Time to reveal SC3 to be released in 2021!
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
How do Koreans themselves feel about military service? Never really hear opinions or thoughts on it from my limited exposure to Koreans, namely this game.
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The impending service list is an impoverishment of the progamer scene. (Not GuMiho too!!)
I can only hope the next wave will be as awesome.
I appreciate Nakajin starting this thread so we have some advance warning to psychologically prepare.
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Thought Zest was exempt since he was injured or something?
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On October 08 2019 18:58 SamirDuran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2019 18:26 kubaPS wrote:
Black Night is already preparing for the future: This is good news. Hopefully after the elites of korean sc2 goes to military, the region lock will be abolished and korean scene will nurture with a lot of new talents.
Removing the region lock will not help the korean SC2 amateur scene grow. It must be done from within.
Most amateur and low-level koreans do not have the financial means to travel to overseas events as it is now, and I have serious questions about whether they could even compete against the current generation of foreign players to make it financially viable to travel to overseas events.
Foreign events are no longer "easy money" for the low-level koreans. This is particularly true for young amateur korean players.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On October 09 2019 00:20 Chris_Havoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2019 18:58 SamirDuran wrote:This is good news. Hopefully after the elites of korean sc2 goes to military, the region lock will be abolished and korean scene will nurture with a lot of new talents. Removing the region lock will not help the korean SC2 amateur scene grow. It must be done from within. Most amateur and low-level koreans do not have the financial means to travel to overseas events as it is now, and I have serious questions about whether they could even compete against the current generation of foreign players to make it financially viable to travel to overseas events. Foreign events are no longer "easy money" for the low-level koreans. This is particularly true for young amateur korean players.
Indeed. We haven’t seen much of it lately, but peripheral occasional Code S Ro32 players have not stacked up well against good foreigners in the games I’ve watched when it occurs.
This is a marked difference from the days that 32 spots wasn’t enough to hold all the Korean talent that would be a tier above almost all foreigners.
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On October 09 2019 00:24 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 00:20 Chris_Havoc wrote:On October 08 2019 18:58 SamirDuran wrote:This is good news. Hopefully after the elites of korean sc2 goes to military, the region lock will be abolished and korean scene will nurture with a lot of new talents. Removing the region lock will not help the korean SC2 amateur scene grow. It must be done from within. Most amateur and low-level koreans do not have the financial means to travel to overseas events as it is now, and I have serious questions about whether they could even compete against the current generation of foreign players to make it financially viable to travel to overseas events. Foreign events are no longer "easy money" for the low-level koreans. This is particularly true for young amateur korean players. Indeed. We haven’t seen much of it lately, but peripheral occasional Code S Ro32 players have not stacked up well against good foreigners in the games I’ve watched when it occurs. This is a marked difference from the days that 32 spots wasn’t enough to hold all the Korean talent that would be a tier above almost all foreigners.
In just a few years we've gone from "Not enough spots in Code S to get every good player in" to "Barely enough players to have a full Ro32 without non-Koreans"
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On October 08 2019 22:50 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
Thought Zest was exempt since he was injured or something?
Ah yes I forgot he had a cardiac condition!
He crushes every heart 
But seriously IDK, I remember hearing Rogue was exempt too but it may be wrong
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On October 08 2019 21:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
How do Koreans themselves feel about military service? Never really hear opinions or thoughts on it from my limited exposure to Koreans, namely this game.
Polt said on his stream that Korean military sucks and that a lot of people that are forced to serve don't really like it. But that's only one opinion.
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On October 08 2019 07:27 Nakajin wrote:
Also I don't have any real information about the player situation, nor do I have a particularly good knowledge of the drafting system for the military service, so feel free to correct me if needed.
I only based this on the player age, 27 years old is the oldest you can push back your military service, but there's some latitude on the exact date when you are gonna be drafted and call to start your service.
Probably older than 27 in some cases. E.g. Flash from Brood War. He hasn't done his military service yet.
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On October 09 2019 00:20 Chris_Havoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2019 18:58 SamirDuran wrote:This is good news. Hopefully after the elites of korean sc2 goes to military, the region lock will be abolished and korean scene will nurture with a lot of new talents. Removing the region lock will not help the korean SC2 amateur scene grow. It must be done from within. Most amateur and low-level koreans do not have the financial means to travel to overseas events as it is now, and I have serious questions about whether they could even compete against the current generation of foreign players to make it financially viable to travel to overseas events. Foreign events are no longer "easy money" for the low-level koreans. This is particularly true for young amateur korean players.
I agree region lock will not help the korean SC2 amateur scene directly. That being said it will help the top of the scene at this point and this could help incentivize more young players to join the scene.
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I don't really know if 27 is the oldest age but I heard that korean age 30 (which is around 28 right?) is oldest before you can delay your military. I'm pretty sure many BW pros left later than their 27s.
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Is Classic allowed to play for the Blizzcon this year? Anyone knows? It will affect whether TY is eligible to play as a backup
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On October 08 2019 07:27 Nakajin wrote:Hi, With the talk surrounding Classic and Gumiho retirement due to military service, I was curious to see who else was approching the require age for military service. I thought it could be interesting for some of you to know to, since for some of them there could be only a few more opportunity to catch them playing abroad or at all for a few years. Also I don't have any real information about the player situation, nor do I have a particularly good knowledge of the drafting system for the military service, so feel free to correct me if needed. I only based this on the player age, 27 years old is the oldest you can push back your military service, but there's some latitude on the exact date when you are gonna be drafted and call to start your service. So with that said: 27 years old progamers: -  herO - Classic- Stats- Zest-  GuMiho-  soO- LosiraFor these, this year or somewhere during next year they will need to go to the military 26 years old progamers - INnoVation- aLiveFor these next year could be there last It's not intended as a downer post, but keep an eye out for the occasion to see them play it may not last forever.
Wouldn't it make more sense to group this by year of birth? And while you're at it, why not include the 1994 group for a better overview 
Btw is it really true that the 27-year olds will have to go "this year or somewhere during next year"? Seems Classic was able to push it to after the Starcraft season ends, so why not soO, Stats etc?
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I would really like to see innovation win one last GSL before he retires.
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On October 15 2019 02:18 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2019 07:27 Nakajin wrote:Hi, With the talk surrounding Classic and Gumiho retirement due to military service, I was curious to see who else was approching the require age for military service. I thought it could be interesting for some of you to know to, since for some of them there could be only a few more opportunity to catch them playing abroad or at all for a few years. Also I don't have any real information about the player situation, nor do I have a particularly good knowledge of the drafting system for the military service, so feel free to correct me if needed. I only based this on the player age, 27 years old is the oldest you can push back your military service, but there's some latitude on the exact date when you are gonna be drafted and call to start your service. So with that said: 27 years old progamers: - herO - Classic- Stats- Zest- GuMiho- soO- LosiraFor these, this year or somewhere during next year they will need to go to the military 26 years old progamers - INnoVation- aLiveFor these next year could be there last It's not intended as a downer post, but keep an eye out for the occasion to see them play it may not last forever. Wouldn't it make more sense to group this by year of birth? And while you're at it, why not include the 1994 group for a better overview Btw is it really true that the 27-year olds will have to go "this year or somewhere during next year"? Seems Classic was able to push it to after the Starcraft season ends, so why not soO, Stats etc?
Classic's birthday comes the 27th of November, that's why.
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On October 15 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 02:18 sneakyfox wrote:On October 08 2019 07:27 Nakajin wrote:Hi, With the talk surrounding Classic and Gumiho retirement due to military service, I was curious to see who else was approching the require age for military service. I thought it could be interesting for some of you to know to, since for some of them there could be only a few more opportunity to catch them playing abroad or at all for a few years. Also I don't have any real information about the player situation, nor do I have a particularly good knowledge of the drafting system for the military service, so feel free to correct me if needed. I only based this on the player age, 27 years old is the oldest you can push back your military service, but there's some latitude on the exact date when you are gonna be drafted and call to start your service. So with that said: 27 years old progamers: - herO - Classic- Stats- Zest- GuMiho- soO- LosiraFor these, this year or somewhere during next year they will need to go to the military 26 years old progamers - INnoVation- aLiveFor these next year could be there last It's not intended as a downer post, but keep an eye out for the occasion to see them play it may not last forever. Wouldn't it make more sense to group this by year of birth? And while you're at it, why not include the 1994 group for a better overview Btw is it really true that the 27-year olds will have to go "this year or somewhere during next year"? Seems Classic was able to push it to after the Starcraft season ends, so why not soO, Stats etc? Classic's birthday comes the 27th of November, that's why.
So when does his service begin?
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On October 15 2019 03:27 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:On October 15 2019 02:18 sneakyfox wrote:On October 08 2019 07:27 Nakajin wrote:Hi, With the talk surrounding Classic and Gumiho retirement due to military service, I was curious to see who else was approching the require age for military service. I thought it could be interesting for some of you to know to, since for some of them there could be only a few more opportunity to catch them playing abroad or at all for a few years. Also I don't have any real information about the player situation, nor do I have a particularly good knowledge of the drafting system for the military service, so feel free to correct me if needed. I only based this on the player age, 27 years old is the oldest you can push back your military service, but there's some latitude on the exact date when you are gonna be drafted and call to start your service. So with that said: 27 years old progamers: - herO - Classic- Stats- Zest- GuMiho- soO- LosiraFor these, this year or somewhere during next year they will need to go to the military 26 years old progamers - INnoVation- aLiveFor these next year could be there last It's not intended as a downer post, but keep an eye out for the occasion to see them play it may not last forever. Wouldn't it make more sense to group this by year of birth? And while you're at it, why not include the 1994 group for a better overview Btw is it really true that the 27-year olds will have to go "this year or somewhere during next year"? Seems Classic was able to push it to after the Starcraft season ends, so why not soO, Stats etc? Classic's birthday comes the 27th of November, that's why. So when does his service begin?
You should ask Korean Army. December, I guess?
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On October 15 2019 05:23 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 03:27 sneakyfox wrote:On October 15 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:On October 15 2019 02:18 sneakyfox wrote:On October 08 2019 07:27 Nakajin wrote:Hi, With the talk surrounding Classic and Gumiho retirement due to military service, I was curious to see who else was approching the require age for military service. I thought it could be interesting for some of you to know to, since for some of them there could be only a few more opportunity to catch them playing abroad or at all for a few years. Also I don't have any real information about the player situation, nor do I have a particularly good knowledge of the drafting system for the military service, so feel free to correct me if needed. I only based this on the player age, 27 years old is the oldest you can push back your military service, but there's some latitude on the exact date when you are gonna be drafted and call to start your service. So with that said: 27 years old progamers: - herO - Classic- Stats- Zest- GuMiho- soO- LosiraFor these, this year or somewhere during next year they will need to go to the military 26 years old progamers - INnoVation- aLiveFor these next year could be there last It's not intended as a downer post, but keep an eye out for the occasion to see them play it may not last forever. Wouldn't it make more sense to group this by year of birth? And while you're at it, why not include the 1994 group for a better overview Btw is it really true that the 27-year olds will have to go "this year or somewhere during next year"? Seems Classic was able to push it to after the Starcraft season ends, so why not soO, Stats etc? Classic's birthday comes the 27th of November, that's why. So when does his service begin? You should ask Korean Army. December, I guess?
Well then we don't really know how much that birthday means.
It would be nice to know how much of next year the 1992-guys get to play.
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