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Canada8988 Posts
Oups, can this be move to blog?
Edit: it can be in general too, your call mod (but you better make the right choice  )
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I think this might be a nice discussion in SC2 General though!
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Year of birth is the deciding factor, isn't it? That'd put alive in the same boat as the others aged 27, apart from Classic
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Classic 1991/11/27
TRUE 1992/4/15
soO 1992/9/24
GuMiho 1992/8/4
aLive 1992/11/16
Zest 1992/7/11
Stats 1992/5/15
herO 1992/8/18
INnoVation 1993/7/25
sOs 1993/10/16
Losira 1994/1/11
Rogue 1994/1/13
Trap 1994/3/24
Dear 1994/5/25
PartinG 1994/8/24
TY 1994/9/18
Cure 1994/11/25
Leenock 1995/4/1
Impact 1995/9/7
Dark 1995/10/6
Bunny 1995/9/11
Trust 1995/4/12
Hurricane 1995/11/18
Solar 1996/5/9
RagnaroK 1996/9/3
Patience 1996/2/23
Maru 1997/7/28
Creator 1997/2/23
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The issue as most everyone is likely aware is that it's difficult for the korean SC2 scene to replace the players lost to military service.
That being said I suppose the easiest way to bring new blood into the korean SC2 scene is to send all the old blood off to the military and see what happens next.
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KeeN said that he is doing his military service too.
2019 GSL season 3 was his last season I think.
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GSL really won't be the same by 2021. Even 2020 just losing Classic, Keen and Gumiho is so huge.
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I can't imagine a world without Stats, he has consistently been solid on all 3 MUs, which is very very rare for a protoss
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Bisutopia19205 Posts
The number of silvers and golds among the 27 year olds is crazy.
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Canada8988 Posts
On October 08 2019 10:00 JJH777 wrote:
GSL really won't be the same by 2021. Even 2020 just losing Classic, Keen and Gumiho is so huge.
On the plus side if we get to 2022-23 one of Impact-Huricane-Bunny-Ragnarok-Trust-Patience or Creator should finally deliver on it's potential and win a GSL. That or Maru win every GSL until he's literally the only player left in the tournament.
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On October 08 2019 11:19 BisuDagger wrote:
The number of silvers and golds among the 27 year olds is crazy.
Well, i know why you specifically mentioned silvers.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 08 2019 11:44 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2019 10:00 JJH777 wrote:
GSL really won't be the same by 2021. Even 2020 just losing Classic, Keen and Gumiho is so huge. On the plus side if we get to 2022-23 one of Impact-Huricane-Bunny-Ragnarok-Trust-Patience or Creator should finally deliver on it's potential and win a GSL. That or Maru win every GSL until he's literally the only player left in the tournament.
or Rogue Finally the undisputable JAGW domination Unless somebody lke TY screws it, better draft him, Wings!
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It's depressing to think that many of the greatest korean players will leave us so soon. If we're lucky when they return SC3 will be on the horizon.
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So that means all those 27 years old progamers will not be able to play next year? Or the year after next year?
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 08 2019 17:30 kajtarp wrote:
So that means all those 27 years old progamers will not be able to play next year?
They will not be able to travel abroad and eventually they will be drafted? Same as Classic?
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On October 08 2019 09:36 pzlama333 wrote:
Classic 1991/11/27
TRUE 1992/4/15
soO 1992/9/24
GuMiho 1992/8/4
aLive 1992/11/16
Zest 1992/7/11
Stats 1992/5/15
herO 1992/8/18
INnoVation 1993/7/25
sOs 1993/10/16
Losira 1994/1/11
Rogue 1994/1/13
Trap 1994/3/24
Dear 1994/5/25
PartinG 1994/8/24
TY 1994/9/18
Cure 1994/11/25
Leenock 1995/4/1
Impact 1995/9/7
Dark 1995/10/6
Bunny 1995/9/11
Trust 1995/4/12
Hurricane 1995/11/18
Solar 1996/5/9
RagnaroK 1996/9/3
Patience 1996/2/23
Maru 1997/7/28
Creator 1997/2/23
Leenock and Keen are currently under the army; you forgot MC(July 1991), and LosirA was born in 1992.
All those 27 years old progamers will be at in Classic's shoes in 2020 at least(or worse, since Classic's birthday comes very late in the year).
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Black Night is already preparing for the future:
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This is good news. Hopefully after the elites of korean sc2 goes to military, the region lock will be abolished and korean scene will nurture with a lot of new talents.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 08 2019 18:58 SamirDuran wrote:This is good news. Hopefully after the elites of korean sc2 goes to military, the region lock will be abolished and korean scene will nurture with a lot of new talents.
How exactly abolishing the region lock will help the new talents in Korea to grow?
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On October 08 2019 11:44 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2019 10:00 JJH777 wrote:
GSL really won't be the same by 2021. Even 2020 just losing Classic, Keen and Gumiho is so huge. On the plus side if we get to 2022-23 one of Impact-Huricane-Bunny-Ragnarok-Trust-Patience or Creator should finally deliver on it's potential and win a GSL. That or Maru win every GSL until he's literally the only player left in the tournament.
Or maybe Maru will simply win everything without even bothering to practice.
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Time to reveal SC3 to be released in 2021!
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Northern Ireland24378 Posts
How do Koreans themselves feel about military service? Never really hear opinions or thoughts on it from my limited exposure to Koreans, namely this game.
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The impending service list is an impoverishment of the progamer scene. (Not GuMiho too!!)
I can only hope the next wave will be as awesome.
I appreciate Nakajin starting this thread so we have some advance warning to psychologically prepare.
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Thought Zest was exempt since he was injured or something?
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On October 08 2019 18:58 SamirDuran wrote:This is good news. Hopefully after the elites of korean sc2 goes to military, the region lock will be abolished and korean scene will nurture with a lot of new talents.
Removing the region lock will not help the korean SC2 amateur scene grow. It must be done from within.
Most amateur and low-level koreans do not have the financial means to travel to overseas events as it is now, and I have serious questions about whether they could even compete against the current generation of foreign players to make it financially viable to travel to overseas events.
Foreign events are no longer "easy money" for the low-level koreans. This is particularly true for young amateur korean players.
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Northern Ireland24378 Posts
On October 09 2019 00:20 Chris_Havoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2019 18:58 SamirDuran wrote:This is good news. Hopefully after the elites of korean sc2 goes to military, the region lock will be abolished and korean scene will nurture with a lot of new talents. Removing the region lock will not help the korean SC2 amateur scene grow. It must be done from within. Most amateur and low-level koreans do not have the financial means to travel to overseas events as it is now, and I have serious questions about whether they could even compete against the current generation of foreign players to make it financially viable to travel to overseas events. Foreign events are no longer "easy money" for the low-level koreans. This is particularly true for young amateur korean players.
Indeed. We haven’t seen much of it lately, but peripheral occasional Code S Ro32 players have not stacked up well against good foreigners in the games I’ve watched when it occurs.
This is a marked difference from the days that 32 spots wasn’t enough to hold all the Korean talent that would be a tier above almost all foreigners.
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On October 09 2019 00:24 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 00:20 Chris_Havoc wrote:On October 08 2019 18:58 SamirDuran wrote:This is good news. Hopefully after the elites of korean sc2 goes to military, the region lock will be abolished and korean scene will nurture with a lot of new talents. Removing the region lock will not help the korean SC2 amateur scene grow. It must be done from within. Most amateur and low-level koreans do not have the financial means to travel to overseas events as it is now, and I have serious questions about whether they could even compete against the current generation of foreign players to make it financially viable to travel to overseas events. Foreign events are no longer "easy money" for the low-level koreans. This is particularly true for young amateur korean players. Indeed. We haven’t seen much of it lately, but peripheral occasional Code S Ro32 players have not stacked up well against good foreigners in the games I’ve watched when it occurs. This is a marked difference from the days that 32 spots wasn’t enough to hold all the Korean talent that would be a tier above almost all foreigners.
In just a few years we've gone from "Not enough spots in Code S to get every good player in" to "Barely enough players to have a full Ro32 without non-Koreans"
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Canada8988 Posts
On October 08 2019 22:50 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
Thought Zest was exempt since he was injured or something?
Ah yes I forgot he had a cardiac condition!
He crushes every heart 
But seriously IDK, I remember hearing Rogue was exempt too but it may be wrong
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On October 08 2019 21:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
How do Koreans themselves feel about military service? Never really hear opinions or thoughts on it from my limited exposure to Koreans, namely this game.
Polt said on his stream that Korean military sucks and that a lot of people that are forced to serve don't really like it. But that's only one opinion.
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On October 08 2019 07:27 Nakajin wrote:
Also I don't have any real information about the player situation, nor do I have a particularly good knowledge of the drafting system for the military service, so feel free to correct me if needed.
I only based this on the player age, 27 years old is the oldest you can push back your military service, but there's some latitude on the exact date when you are gonna be drafted and call to start your service.
Probably older than 27 in some cases. E.g. Flash from Brood War. He hasn't done his military service yet.
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On October 09 2019 00:20 Chris_Havoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2019 18:58 SamirDuran wrote:This is good news. Hopefully after the elites of korean sc2 goes to military, the region lock will be abolished and korean scene will nurture with a lot of new talents. Removing the region lock will not help the korean SC2 amateur scene grow. It must be done from within. Most amateur and low-level koreans do not have the financial means to travel to overseas events as it is now, and I have serious questions about whether they could even compete against the current generation of foreign players to make it financially viable to travel to overseas events. Foreign events are no longer "easy money" for the low-level koreans. This is particularly true for young amateur korean players.
I agree region lock will not help the korean SC2 amateur scene directly. That being said it will help the top of the scene at this point and this could help incentivize more young players to join the scene.
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I don't really know if 27 is the oldest age but I heard that korean age 30 (which is around 28 right?) is oldest before you can delay your military. I'm pretty sure many BW pros left later than their 27s.
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Is Classic allowed to play for the Blizzcon this year? Anyone knows? It will affect whether TY is eligible to play as a backup
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On October 08 2019 07:27 Nakajin wrote:Hi, With the talk surrounding Classic and Gumiho retirement due to military service, I was curious to see who else was approching the require age for military service. I thought it could be interesting for some of you to know to, since for some of them there could be only a few more opportunity to catch them playing abroad or at all for a few years. Also I don't have any real information about the player situation, nor do I have a particularly good knowledge of the drafting system for the military service, so feel free to correct me if needed. I only based this on the player age, 27 years old is the oldest you can push back your military service, but there's some latitude on the exact date when you are gonna be drafted and call to start your service. So with that said: 27 years old progamers: -  herO - Classic- Stats- Zest-  GuMiho-  soO- LosiraFor these, this year or somewhere during next year they will need to go to the military 26 years old progamers - INnoVation- aLiveFor these next year could be there last It's not intended as a downer post, but keep an eye out for the occasion to see them play it may not last forever.
Wouldn't it make more sense to group this by year of birth? And while you're at it, why not include the 1994 group for a better overview 
Btw is it really true that the 27-year olds will have to go "this year or somewhere during next year"? Seems Classic was able to push it to after the Starcraft season ends, so why not soO, Stats etc?
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I would really like to see innovation win one last GSL before he retires.
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On October 15 2019 02:18 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2019 07:27 Nakajin wrote:Hi, With the talk surrounding Classic and Gumiho retirement due to military service, I was curious to see who else was approching the require age for military service. I thought it could be interesting for some of you to know to, since for some of them there could be only a few more opportunity to catch them playing abroad or at all for a few years. Also I don't have any real information about the player situation, nor do I have a particularly good knowledge of the drafting system for the military service, so feel free to correct me if needed. I only based this on the player age, 27 years old is the oldest you can push back your military service, but there's some latitude on the exact date when you are gonna be drafted and call to start your service. So with that said: 27 years old progamers: - herO - Classic- Stats- Zest- GuMiho- soO- LosiraFor these, this year or somewhere during next year they will need to go to the military 26 years old progamers - INnoVation- aLiveFor these next year could be there last It's not intended as a downer post, but keep an eye out for the occasion to see them play it may not last forever. Wouldn't it make more sense to group this by year of birth? And while you're at it, why not include the 1994 group for a better overview Btw is it really true that the 27-year olds will have to go "this year or somewhere during next year"? Seems Classic was able to push it to after the Starcraft season ends, so why not soO, Stats etc?
Classic's birthday comes the 27th of November, that's why.
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On October 15 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 02:18 sneakyfox wrote:On October 08 2019 07:27 Nakajin wrote:Hi, With the talk surrounding Classic and Gumiho retirement due to military service, I was curious to see who else was approching the require age for military service. I thought it could be interesting for some of you to know to, since for some of them there could be only a few more opportunity to catch them playing abroad or at all for a few years. Also I don't have any real information about the player situation, nor do I have a particularly good knowledge of the drafting system for the military service, so feel free to correct me if needed. I only based this on the player age, 27 years old is the oldest you can push back your military service, but there's some latitude on the exact date when you are gonna be drafted and call to start your service. So with that said: 27 years old progamers: - herO - Classic- Stats- Zest- GuMiho- soO- LosiraFor these, this year or somewhere during next year they will need to go to the military 26 years old progamers - INnoVation- aLiveFor these next year could be there last It's not intended as a downer post, but keep an eye out for the occasion to see them play it may not last forever. Wouldn't it make more sense to group this by year of birth? And while you're at it, why not include the 1994 group for a better overview Btw is it really true that the 27-year olds will have to go "this year or somewhere during next year"? Seems Classic was able to push it to after the Starcraft season ends, so why not soO, Stats etc? Classic's birthday comes the 27th of November, that's why.
So when does his service begin?
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On October 15 2019 03:27 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:On October 15 2019 02:18 sneakyfox wrote:On October 08 2019 07:27 Nakajin wrote:Hi, With the talk surrounding Classic and Gumiho retirement due to military service, I was curious to see who else was approching the require age for military service. I thought it could be interesting for some of you to know to, since for some of them there could be only a few more opportunity to catch them playing abroad or at all for a few years. Also I don't have any real information about the player situation, nor do I have a particularly good knowledge of the drafting system for the military service, so feel free to correct me if needed. I only based this on the player age, 27 years old is the oldest you can push back your military service, but there's some latitude on the exact date when you are gonna be drafted and call to start your service. So with that said: 27 years old progamers: - herO - Classic- Stats- Zest- GuMiho- soO- LosiraFor these, this year or somewhere during next year they will need to go to the military 26 years old progamers - INnoVation- aLiveFor these next year could be there last It's not intended as a downer post, but keep an eye out for the occasion to see them play it may not last forever. Wouldn't it make more sense to group this by year of birth? And while you're at it, why not include the 1994 group for a better overview Btw is it really true that the 27-year olds will have to go "this year or somewhere during next year"? Seems Classic was able to push it to after the Starcraft season ends, so why not soO, Stats etc? Classic's birthday comes the 27th of November, that's why. So when does his service begin?
You should ask Korean Army. December, I guess?
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On October 15 2019 05:23 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 03:27 sneakyfox wrote:On October 15 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:On October 15 2019 02:18 sneakyfox wrote:On October 08 2019 07:27 Nakajin wrote:Hi, With the talk surrounding Classic and Gumiho retirement due to military service, I was curious to see who else was approching the require age for military service. I thought it could be interesting for some of you to know to, since for some of them there could be only a few more opportunity to catch them playing abroad or at all for a few years. Also I don't have any real information about the player situation, nor do I have a particularly good knowledge of the drafting system for the military service, so feel free to correct me if needed. I only based this on the player age, 27 years old is the oldest you can push back your military service, but there's some latitude on the exact date when you are gonna be drafted and call to start your service. So with that said: 27 years old progamers: - herO - Classic- Stats- Zest- GuMiho- soO- LosiraFor these, this year or somewhere during next year they will need to go to the military 26 years old progamers - INnoVation- aLiveFor these next year could be there last It's not intended as a downer post, but keep an eye out for the occasion to see them play it may not last forever. Wouldn't it make more sense to group this by year of birth? And while you're at it, why not include the 1994 group for a better overview Btw is it really true that the 27-year olds will have to go "this year or somewhere during next year"? Seems Classic was able to push it to after the Starcraft season ends, so why not soO, Stats etc? Classic's birthday comes the 27th of November, that's why. So when does his service begin? You should ask Korean Army. December, I guess?
Well then we don't really know how much that birthday means.
It would be nice to know how much of next year the 1992-guys get to play.
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On October 15 2019 06:08 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 05:23 Xain0n wrote:On October 15 2019 03:27 sneakyfox wrote:On October 15 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:On October 15 2019 02:18 sneakyfox wrote:On October 08 2019 07:27 Nakajin wrote:Hi, With the talk surrounding Classic and Gumiho retirement due to military service, I was curious to see who else was approching the require age for military service. I thought it could be interesting for some of you to know to, since for some of them there could be only a few more opportunity to catch them playing abroad or at all for a few years. Also I don't have any real information about the player situation, nor do I have a particularly good knowledge of the drafting system for the military service, so feel free to correct me if needed. I only based this on the player age, 27 years old is the oldest you can push back your military service, but there's some latitude on the exact date when you are gonna be drafted and call to start your service. So with that said: 27 years old progamers: - herO - Classic- Stats- Zest- GuMiho- soO- LosiraFor these, this year or somewhere during next year they will need to go to the military 26 years old progamers - INnoVation- aLiveFor these next year could be there last It's not intended as a downer post, but keep an eye out for the occasion to see them play it may not last forever. Wouldn't it make more sense to group this by year of birth? And while you're at it, why not include the 1994 group for a better overview Btw is it really true that the 27-year olds will have to go "this year or somewhere during next year"? Seems Classic was able to push it to after the Starcraft season ends, so why not soO, Stats etc? Classic's birthday comes the 27th of November, that's why. So when does his service begin? You should ask Korean Army. December, I guess? Well then we don't really know how much that birthday means. It would be nice to know how much of next year the 1992-guys get to play.
It's much more fluid than this. Jaedong is 30 years old and is expected to go to the army soon(he has for years, but it seems like he is not allowed to travel now), while Keen had to go being 25(he said he "messed up" with his request of delay).
As far as I understood, they can't delay their enlistment further than their 28th birthday and they are forbid to travel abroad when close enough to that date.
When exactly one begins his military service has to be arranged personally.
Thus said, there are for sure korean people on Team Liquid who way more informed than me on that topic.
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Anyone else coming back from the military soon? When does soO finish his service?
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Northern Ireland24378 Posts
I totally understand why it’s a thing, in the wider scheme of things our wee scene doesn’t mean much, but it’s a shame to see so many of the players who made it great and we bonded over have to depart.
Any word on Trap/Rogue? Will they have to depart at some particular time, or will it be like Zest where it was known he was to depart but he managed to play the whole season in the end?
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Trap / Rogue will be big losses especially, both players capable of pushing deep into tournaments / winning them if things break right. It has been said before but it is sad there isn't a burgeoning crop of young Korean stars to root for (go Percival!); however it does seem like a 2 year break is short enough that programers can still come back at compete, if not at quite the highest level.
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On March 03 2022 05:25 ImmortalGhost wrote:
Anyone else coming back from the military soon? When does soO finish his service?
soO's service should end soon, but I suspect he might return to Brood War instead of SC2. I know soO & InnoVation were seen "casually" playing in a couple of the ASL qualifiers before they went off for their service.
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On March 02 2022 21:19 Nakajin wrote:Since it got bumped, may as well take a look back at this. Rogue: 28 years old Trap: 27 years old (28 in a few day) Cure: 27 years old Dark: 26 years old Bunny 26 years old So Rogue and Trap should have retires come next Katowice, probably Cure too.
those will hurt bad  . Any potential comebacks ?
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