WCS1. Increase Infestor supply to 3.
2. Fix the BroodLord range bug.
SwarmHost/Nydus and similiar issues can be looked at after Blizzcon.
Rogue: "I won because balance really favors Zerg" + commen…
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MockHamill
Sweden1595 Posts
1. Increase Infestor supply to 3. 2. Fix the BroodLord range bug. SwarmHost/Nydus and similiar issues can be looked at after Blizzcon. | ||
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UnLarva
187 Posts
On October 03 2019 20:37 MockHamill wrote: The problem seems very easy to solve and should be done before Blizzcon. 1. Increase Infestor supply to 3. 2. Fix the BroodLord range bug. SwarmHost/Nydus and similiar issues can be locked at after Blizzcon. Seems very reasonable suggestion. After all, the last thing to do would be complete overhaul by nerfing everything between an earth and sky same time. Its pretty much impossible to detect an impact of each change if there are multitude of them in same patch, and complex dependancies between each unit(s) can cause effects that were both unforeseen, but also counter-productive to the very reasons why changes were made in a first place. These days it seems that practically everything with Zerg is OP according a discussions all around, and its hard to find an unit of zerg that isn't already suggested to get nerfed as soon as possible. Logic of the game itself dictates that all demands cannot be rationally justified, nor that they would actually improve the balance if becoming the reality. There is imminent and obvious risk for a child to get jettisoned with his washing water all the same if even half of all of those marvellous nerf-zerg ideas are included to the next balance patch. Top zergs should send their written and well thought interpretations over the issue to Blizzard's balance team (or is it just one person during this golden renaissance of the game?) for preventing the destructive scenario of over-nerfing. | ||
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Noa Greenini
163 Posts
On October 03 2019 06:01 Charoisaur wrote: Love the mental gymnastics of you trying to justify "he didn't play at his peak" being a valid excuse for Serral but not for Rogue. Watch Rogue's games vs Serral - that's not the Rogue that won 3 consecutive tournaments in 2017. Love the word mental gymnastics from you hahah xD | ||
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Wombat_NI
Northern Ireland11504 Posts
On October 03 2019 21:10 UnLarva wrote: Seems very reasonable suggestion. After all, the last thing to do would be complete overhaul by nerfing everything between an earth and sky same time. Its pretty much impossible to detect an impact of each change if there are multitude of them in same patch, and complex dependancies between each unit(s) can cause effects that were both unforeseen, but also counter-productive to the very reasons why changes were made in a first place. These days it seems that practically everything with Zerg is OP according a discussions all around, and its hard to find an unit of zerg that isn't already suggested to get nerfed as soon as possible. Logic of the game itself dictates that all demands cannot be rationally justified, nor that they would actually improve the balance if becoming the reality. There is imminent and obvious risk for a child to get jettisoned with his washing water all the same if even half of all of those marvellous nerf-zerg ideas are included to the next balance patch. Top zergs should send their written and well thought interpretations over the issue to Blizzard's balance team (or is it just one person during this golden renaissance of the game?) for preventing the destructive scenario of over-nerfing. Yes, I was against nerfing the warp prism and reducing cost of overlord speed in the same patch for that reason. They’re both largely targeted at Immortal timings/Protoss shenanigans Maybe the meta/knowledge, which was shifting anyway would have been enough to redress issues. Maybe either of those changes singularly would have made a nice balance. Instead we had two changes on top of an already shifting meta. Perhaps users or the balance team wouldn’t like if it singular changes to single units and costs were implemented more frequently, which is why patches tend to include a fair few changes at once. Still always feels there’s so much change at once it’s hard to calculate what will do what, and even after the fact what changes are impactful in the desired way, what ones aren’t and what ones create further problems | ||
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Hunta15
United States35 Posts
On October 03 2019 20:37 MockHamill wrote: The problem seems very easy to solve and should be done before Blizzcon. 1. Increase Infestor supply to 3. 2. Fix the BroodLord range bug. SwarmHost/Nydus and similiar issues can be looked at after Blizzcon. Broodlords don't need to be changed. It's literally been this way for 9 years. The infestor and the nydus worm are the two keys that need to be looked at. This thread is also pretty funny after watching Rogue get bopped by Stats. Adds some flair to the discussion. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic8731 Posts
On October 03 2019 20:37 MockHamill wrote: The problem seems very easy to solve and should be done before Blizzcon. 1. Increase Infestor supply to 3. 2. Fix the BroodLord range bug. SwarmHost/Nydus and similiar issues can be looked at after Blizzcon. I'm afraid in this state of Blizzard they won't even aknowledge this . On October 04 2019 01:33 Hunta15 wrote: Broodlords don't need to be changed. It's literally been this way for 9 years. The infestor and the nydus worm are the two keys that need to be looked at. This thread is also pretty funny after watching Rogue get bopped by Stats. Adds some flair to the discussion. Considering Blizzcon being soon people are asking for easy changes to be implemented so the balance is better. It's not like this was said by 1 random Zerg... | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6104 Posts
On October 03 2019 20:37 MockHamill wrote: The problem seems very easy to solve and should be done before Blizzcon. 1. Increase Infestor supply to 3. 2. Fix the BroodLord range bug. SwarmHost/Nydus and similiar issues can be looked at after Blizzcon. i like the supply change idea but i would also compensate it by adding some hp or +1 armor. so it's not an all-or-nothing glass cannon spell caster but more of a robust support that has powerful spells but they must be used judiciously. this would be a very big change, though. a slight nerf but more of a design change because the way infestors interact with other units is very clearly flawed and this has been an issue since the game was in beta. | ||
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Snakestyle11
64 Posts
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GettingIt
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tskarzyn
United States374 Posts
On September 29 2019 17:43 ChriS-X wrote: so now we can say zerg OP without getting banned right? jk mods plz don't ban me User was temp banned for this post. Just wanted to say this ban was ridiculous. People need to grow tf up and learn to take a joke. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada5108 Posts
On October 06 2019 01:47 tskarzyn wrote: Just wanted to say this ban was ridiculous. People need to grow tf up and learn to take a joke. Mod/ban bait are not allowed on TL. "pls don't ban me" post will always get banned | ||
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tskarzyn
United States374 Posts
On October 06 2019 01:54 Nakajin wrote: Mod/ban bait are not allowed on TL. "pls don't ban me" post will always get banned Lol @ mod bait. Like jail bait for nerds with Napolean complexes. | ||
BigFan
TLADT23949 Posts
On October 06 2019 01:47 tskarzyn wrote: Just wanted to say this ban was ridiculous. People need to grow tf up and learn to take a joke. Rules are rules. Take it to website feedback if you want to discuss this. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States11933 Posts
On October 06 2019 01:47 tskarzyn wrote: Just wanted to say this ban was ridiculous. People need to grow tf up and learn to take a joke. Rules are pretty clear on this, martyring = automatic temp. That rule's been in place since I joined TL about 10 years ago. | ||
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ThunderJunk
266 Posts
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tskarzyn
United States374 Posts
On October 06 2019 10:37 BigFan wrote: Rules are rules. Take it to website feedback if you want to discuss this. Fair enough. Guess I just thought an American gaming forum of all places would be at least as liberal as the CPC when it comes to what speech is or is not allowed. | ||
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Wombat_NI
Northern Ireland11504 Posts
On October 07 2019 00:08 tskarzyn wrote: Fair enough. Guess I just thought an American gaming forum of all places would be at least as liberal as the CPC when it comes to what speech is or is not allowed. Sure it’s pretty stringent, it’s also way more tolerable than reddit or the Blizz forums IMO precisely because the moderation is pretty tough compared to other places | ||
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Excludos
Norway5502 Posts
On October 07 2019 00:08 tskarzyn wrote: Fair enough. Guess I just thought an American gaming forum of all places would be at least as liberal as the CPC when it comes to what speech is or is not allowed. Youtube comments aren't stringent. Do you want TL to become Youtube comments? Honestly this is one of the few remaining places on the internet where people at least pretends to be civilised to each other, and we only have the stringent rules and the hard work put in by the mod staff to thank for it. On October 02 2019 20:05 Excludos wrote: I think Lowko had an interesting idea to let void rays become useful again by re implementing the movement speed upgrade Protoss used to have. Voidray's aren't strong enough to just 1A against Corrupters, neither perhaps should they be, but if they're fast enough they can abuse the slow movement speed of Broodlords to dance around them and get picks wherever possible. It also doesn't make the matchup necessarily any easier, but allows for higher skill ceiling (As opposed to just buffing Carriers or something until Protoss lategame becomes unbreakable again) Just caught the patch notes and..I mean.."told"? But honestly the changes are so dramatic across the board that I don't even know if this will have the intended consequence any more. But it at the very least makes for a much smoother transition to skytoss. | ||
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yangluphil
317 Posts
On September 29 2019 17:43 ChriS-X wrote: so now we can say zerg OP without getting banned right? jk mods plz don't ban me User was temp banned for this post. The ban is ridiculous. I don't care how stringent rules have made the forums a better place. The point is not that rules are necessary in general. That's obviously true. The point is the rules are failing specifically in this case -- it is not good enough, and moderators need to take feedback seriously to improve it. That said, I know it's not easy. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT23949 Posts
On October 07 2019 04:16 yangluphil wrote: The ban is ridiculous. I don't care how stringent rules have made the forums a better place. The point is not that rules are necessary in general. That's obviously true. The point is the rules are failing specifically in this case -- it is not good enough, and moderators need to take feedback seriously to improve it. That said, I know it's not easy. On October 06 2019 10:37 BigFan wrote: Rules are rules. Take it to website feedback if you want to discuss this. | ||
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