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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33493 Posts
September 29 2019 01:54 GMT
#1
Source: Daily Esports

After winning the Code S Season 3 finals with a 4-0 sweep over teammate (Wiki)Trap, (Wiki)Rogue gave some surprisingly honest remarks about how he was aided by Zerg being imbalanced at the moment.

In the post-match press conference [going by DailyEsports' transcript], Rogue said "I think Stats is the Protoss player who is best at late game PvZ, but even he crumbles against Zerg in the late game. There's no way for Protoss to win after you mass Infestors. I think Zerg needs to be nerfed, and not just because I won this championship. But after BlizzCon, I hope."

Rogue also admitted to barely practicing for his Ro16 group, having lost some of his interest and sense of enjoyment for the game. But after advancing from the group of death despite his lack of practice, he realized "the Zerg race is really empowered right now, and the maps are really good for Zerg" and began to practice in earnest.

When asked if he had any words for Trap, Rogue said "Trap prepared really hard. I won because balance really favors Zerg. I think he'll feel bad about this one."

Regarding (Wiki)Serral, Rogue said "I've faced him in international tournaments, and I think he's truly a great Zerg player. But I don't think I'm lacking in late-game macro play, and I think he won't measure up if we play late-game macro."
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AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 02:00:57
September 29 2019 02:00 GMT
#2
Hahahahaha

Mizen confirmed to be Rogue alt
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Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
September 29 2019 02:02 GMT
#3
If Rogue were a TL poster he would have been banned for balance whine
necrosexy
Profile Joined March 2011
451 Posts
September 29 2019 02:11 GMT
#4
Rogue is delusional if he thinks he can out-macro Serral late-game.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 29 2019 02:16 GMT
#5
Is one of those questions about the Nydus worm? What did Rogue answer?
IArako
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany195 Posts
September 29 2019 02:19 GMT
#6
Big talk but i didnt see Rogue anywhere when Serral won GSL vs the world twice and he beat him last global finals. I guess next global finals will tell
He might be right about Zerg tho, not sure.
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FBTsingLoong
Profile Joined April 2018
China410 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 02:27:38
September 29 2019 02:21 GMT
#7
Soo:"I'm a clean Zerg." lol
Serral is still the best Z player without late game.
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7384 Posts
September 29 2019 02:23 GMT
#8
A KR Zerg thinking they have a snowball's chance in hell against the best European Zerg and probable Best Player.

He may have forgotten Zerg isn't overpowered vs Zerg.
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
September 29 2019 02:30 GMT
#9
Rogue has always been very humble and honest
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33493 Posts
September 29 2019 02:33 GMT
#10
I can't believe Zerg players would latch onto a minor comment about Serral to try and derail this important discussion about balance
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
September 29 2019 02:35 GMT
#11
Why do players like Rogue and Dark look down or think they are better than Serral in macro game? Serral is a macro/end game Zerg. Both of these guys have played Serral in the late game before and got stomped. Silly Rogue.
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
September 29 2019 02:45 GMT
#12
I think its a mindset thing, If you think your opponent is unbeatable you will go into a match way differently compared to wh en you think you can beat him.
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TheWildShooter
Profile Joined September 2011
79 Posts
September 29 2019 02:45 GMT
#13
Rogue: "I won because balance really favors Zerg"

Blizzard: "Nah, we'd better nerf charge next patch."

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Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
September 29 2019 02:45 GMT
#14
On September 29 2019 11:35 phodacbiet wrote:
Why do players like Rogue and Dark look down or think they are better than Serral in macro game? Serral is a macro/end game Zerg. Both of these guys have played Serral in the late game before and got stomped. Silly Rogue.


I don't think they look down on him. They just have enough confidence in themselves to give Serral a challenge. I'm pretty sure that they know Serral is the best right now, but would you expect them to say, "Ohh he's so good, I don't stand a chance, I might as well take the loss."?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
September 29 2019 02:51 GMT
#15
On September 29 2019 11:33 Waxangel wrote:
I can't believe Zerg players would latch onto a minor comment about Serral to try and derail this important discussion about balance


I know, it's like you offered us a pack of dynamite and everyone went back to stick and stones.
European ladder players should wake soon tho, it's comming
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Corgi
Profile Joined December 2014
United States408 Posts
September 29 2019 03:39 GMT
#16
Serral has really lit something under Korean player's collective mindset.
droppanda
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia176 Posts
September 29 2019 03:48 GMT
#17
This has been obvious for a long time and can be seen every time Tastosis cast a zerg game, it's always around not letting zerg get to the late game. This shouldn't be an almost insta-win condition for any race.
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
September 29 2019 04:01 GMT
#18
Surely Blizzard will nerf late-game Zerg now
very illegal and very uncool
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
September 29 2019 04:23 GMT
#19
This is the problem with balancing the game around different races being strong at different points of the game. The idea that Zerg should be strong in late game but weak in the early game or that other races should be strong at a certain time and weak late-game is so stupid but Blizzard has admitted to doing it and a lot of players support it. That might work well for a while and it has worked for the last few years but in the long term the early/mid-game will be figured out (unless there are broken builds) and whichever race has the best late-game will start winning 90% of the time. Part of it has been the patches they have done but ultimately that mindset and balancing style is the real problem. If you look at the patch notes from last Blizzcon to now the changes aren't as dramatic as the current balance would have you believe and it's due to this. If Blizzard's post blizzcon answer to this is to change the mid-game again I might quit watching StarCraft II. The balance will improve for a while but it will still get to the same point if that's all they change.

Even though the majority of this series didn't go to late-game doesn't mean the status of late-game didn't effect those other games. It dictates every build and decision Trap made.
parksonsc
Profile Joined May 2019
175 Posts
September 29 2019 04:25 GMT
#20
And people still say it was because Trap playing bad. Why don't you think that the unbalance made him look worse than usual?
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