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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
September 29 2019 09:09 GMT
#41
ZERG: OP
ROGUE: RESPECT.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
September 29 2019 09:11 GMT
#42
Nydus worms should just have one head per butt, adjust butt cost accordingly. And the return of BL/Fester happened when ITs were buffed again. Just completely REMOVE that ability please; You shouldn't be able to save energy to get a bunch of marines on top of your existing army and when made useless like before why have them at all?

Also lol at the people posting about the trivial Serral bit
I Protoss winner, could it be?
SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1149 Posts
September 29 2019 09:24 GMT
#43
fair play to rogue for being honest. mad respect
JAG.war
Profile Joined May 2010
United States76 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 09:48:33
September 29 2019 09:43 GMT
#44
why do I still sense a Protoss nerf incoming...
sOs, Parting, MC and JAGW.
Miralem Ibrahim
Profile Joined April 2019
40 Posts
September 29 2019 09:53 GMT
#45
Is Rogue really think he can beat Serral in ZvZ?

I don't think Korean Zerg can do it against him. Only Koreans terrans and protoss stand a chance. Kr ZvZ is not developed enough Imo
Gottingen
Profile Joined February 2018
United States27 Posts
September 29 2019 09:54 GMT
#46
I respect Rogue for these words. What else can i say....
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3472 Posts
September 29 2019 09:55 GMT
#47
I think that the Nydus Infestor game from Rogue was really impressive and this use of the Infestor was really flavourful and awesome. So while Nydus is a bit over the top and the Infestor is a bit over the top in terms of balance, try not to kill this strat :D
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
September 29 2019 10:13 GMT
#48
On September 29 2019 12:39 Corgi wrote:
Serral has really lit something under Korean player's collective mindset.


Rogue loves to trashtalk, but maybe he forgot his hopeless face after Serral methodically outposition and outtrade him at BlizzCon; Rogue should have better said "in the lategame...I think I can measure up to him", not the opposite.

ZvZ is not Serral's weakest matchup, it's Reynor's best(who's way stronger than you make him to be), and it's not as volatile as you say since the better players wins the majority of the times just like in any other matchup.

I find it fun that Rogue himself basically confirms Mizenhauer was right.
xSn3
Profile Joined July 2019
4 Posts
September 29 2019 10:18 GMT
#49
No one cares about what he says about serral, the fact of the matter is that Z has been the strongest race this entire year by far (and also last year, just not as much maybe), and they dominate EVEN in Korea now where the strongest players has always been terrans and protosses.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
September 29 2019 10:31 GMT
#50
"I've faced him in international tournaments, and I think he's truly a great Zerg player. But I don't think I'm lacking in late-game macro play, and I think he won't measure up if we play late-game macro."

Good to know you will play for lategame against Serral if you meet him. lowers your chances to win to about 0.1%
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 10:36:42
September 29 2019 10:33 GMT
#51
Rogue so handsome again. Tbh I find it hilarious that Blizzard hands Zerg all these championships on a silver platter and then they just can't help themselves telling the truth. This also means that in the honour standings, Rogue is our number one ahead of Serral who is clearly ahead of Dark (always the villain).

Oh yeah, and Solar is second behind Rogue.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
jaykayxd
Profile Joined February 2015
United States2 Posts
September 29 2019 10:34 GMT
#52
maybe increase the supply of infestor or increase the gas requirement to make one? that way you have less infestors when you max out.
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
September 29 2019 10:36 GMT
#53
Big props to him for admiting that; will Blizzard move accordingly or will we have a poor blizzcon?
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
September 29 2019 11:12 GMT
#54
Serral says that if Zerg plays perfectly they can't lose lategame, now Rogue straight up says Zerg is favored in balance?

Very nice
Mine gas, build tanks.
LUK_21
Profile Joined July 2018
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 12:15:25
September 29 2019 11:19 GMT
#55
Haukinger
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany131 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 11:38:03
September 29 2019 11:37 GMT
#56
Rogue:
There's no way for Protoss to win after you mass Infestors.


Only Protoss too dumb to use Feedback, Storm and Distruptors.

This really reminds me of Terrans that want to mono-battle and whine because they're losing.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 11:43:04
September 29 2019 11:41 GMT
#57
On September 29 2019 19:36 Mun_Su wrote:
Big props to him for admiting that; will Blizzard move accordingly or will we have a poor blizzcon?


The main reason it's that way is because blizzard moved in response to illegitimate / out of proportion whine from T/Z players some months ago. There's objectively more balance whine and more popular balance whine coming out of those races than from P and it's been wrongly taken as an actual statistical problem.
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 11:41:43
September 29 2019 11:41 GMT
#58
Well, say what you will about Rogue, i do like the fact that he is at least not tilting when playing Serral is brought up, unlike entire foreign scene. In regards to balance, i mean, we saw finals score.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 11:46:17
September 29 2019 11:42 GMT
#59
On September 29 2019 20:19 LUK_21 wrote:
Maru wins 5 gslwith terran, all is gud. Rogue wins1time with zerg, clearly its super op and imbalanced Kappa


Last year was way more diverse in terms of races that did well and the large skew in balance was mostly (though not entirely) Serral's doing.

Maru was literally the only terran player to win any premier tournament in 2018.

There were 12 WCS Circuit/Korea/Global tournaments last year. 7 were won by zerg (6x Serral, 1x Rogue), 3 by terran (all Maru), 2 by protoss (Stats and Classic). Out of the 24 finalists 9 were zerg, 11 were protoss and 4 (!) were terran.

There were 12 WCS Circuit/Korea/Global tournaments this year (so far, 2 more coming) and 8 of them were won by a zerg (3x Serral, 2x Raynor, 1x Soo, 1x Dark, 1x Rogue), 3 by protoss (1x Stats, 1x Neeb, 1x Classic) and 1 by terran (1x Maru). Out of the 24 finalists 14 were zerg, 7 were protoss and 3 (!) were terran.

Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 11:47:05
September 29 2019 11:46 GMT
#60
On September 29 2019 20:37 Haukinger wrote:
Show nested quote +
Rogue:
There's no way for Protoss to win after you mass Infestors.


Only Protoss too dumb to use Feedback, Storm and Distruptors.

This really reminds me of Terrans that want to mono-battle and whine because they're losing.

The best Protoss players in the world have no chance in late game against the best Zergs and it's just because they're collectively all too dumb. Makes perfect sense. Smart players only play Zerg.
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