EPTSC2 Power Rank: September 2019 - Page 12
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Charoisaur
Germany16101 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 19 2019 04:31 Charoisaur wrote: pretty sure Serral doesn't match ByuN's 45-5 record though. Now you are getting desperate, including online games against the likes of "nado", "chankim" , "ArcLiTe", "Gyulzzing" and other really low level players. Like holy shit i am no serral fan by any means, i am a big maru fan actually, but why not give credit where it's due? | ||
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terribleplayer1
95 Posts
On September 19 2019 04:03 Charoisaur wrote: as to no one ever reaching Serral's 28-5 winrate against koreans - Rogue had 28-7 against koreans during his peak with 5 of those losses being in SSL challenge where he didn't play serious. and still Artosis got laughed at for calling him a bonjwa Yea, because Rogue has had many many more attempts to perform a streak versus Koreans in comparison to Serral, and wasnt able... this goes for every Korean player. The fact you're unable to find a better streak is really telling. Rogue's 2017 pales in comparison to Serral's 2018/2019 in terms of consistency. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16101 Posts
On September 19 2019 04:38 The_Red_Viper wrote: Now you are getting desperate, including online games against the likes of "nado", "chankim" , "ArcLiTe", "Gyulzzing" and other really low level players. Like holy shit i am no serral fan by any means, i am a big maru fan actually, but why not give credit where it's due? I just went by the statistic the other guy defined as the ultimate indicator of how dominant someone is aka winrate against koreans. Personally I don't think either statistic means much and the only thing that matters are actual tournament results. I give Serral the credit of being one of the most dominant players ever on the same level as Maru, Inno, Life, Zest and Rogue. I'm not convinced he deserves further credit. | ||
Poopi
France13022 Posts
On September 19 2019 04:31 Charoisaur wrote: pretty sure Serral doesn't match ByuN's 45-5 record though. ByuN is another class for sure | ||
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tilhorizon
Germany191 Posts
saying things like alligululac stats dont mean anything deni facts winrates highest elo ratings tournament winnings % winrates it must be very sad to live in such a delusional buble of a world in complete denial | ||
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Poopi
France13022 Posts
On September 19 2019 02:37 tigon_ridge wrote: Observe: there has been zero signs of Serral truly slumping, while many of these lauded players have been going up and down like roller coasters. Some like to point out their peaks while ignoring their troughs, and then say, "See! No way Serra even close to goat." Oh look! Rogue, Maru, Innovation...NoOoOo. My Korean idols! Aaaaah brain explodes ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/rtX8CYA.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/xhAXEZx.jpg) If you can cherry pick info to make some players look good, I can cherry pick info to make them look less than mediocre, as well. Now, try to find any example of Serral falling anywhere near that low in performance in the past 2.5 years. I'll wait. No, really, give it a strong effort. Some Einstein even calling win % vs Koreans "cherry picked," while he cherry picks tournament wins. LOL It can't get much more retarded than that...eh, who am I kiddin. Yeah winning as Terran was even harder back then than now. That’s what makes Maru special as well, he is the savior of terran and only hope among Koreans. | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1081 Posts
On September 19 2019 04:17 Charoisaur wrote: then we're discussing different things but your attempt doesn't make sense anyways since at August last year the data how he will perform in the future was not available yet  If we're discussing the best player of the last 13 months then of course Serral is the best. I thought that's what we were discussing. Are you saying that because we didn't know in August 2018 that Serral would still be dominating the scene in Sept 2019, his domination in August 2018 is somehow diminished? The dude has been #1 for a solid year. I was just surprised upon reflection how long it's actually been that I've been assuming he would be #1 in the next PR. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4130 Posts
On September 19 2019 05:26 tilhorizon wrote: Charoisaur u are either trolling ore in complete denial saying things like alligululac stats dont mean anything deni facts winrates highest elo ratings tournament winnings % winrates it must be very sad to live in such a delusional buble of a world in complete denial at this point its both. Its a well-known internet tactics where once your serious attempt to argue fails due to lack of facts and the opponents come with stronger arguments you pretend it was a troll all along. He made so many contradictions to himself its not worth it anymore. I guess its pretty sad to be one of the only 3 people who don't accept the reality. | ||
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KobeSteak
39 Posts
On September 19 2019 06:15 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: at this point its both. Its a well-known internet tactics where once your serious attempt to argue fails due to lack of facts and the opponents come with stronger arguments you pretend it was a troll all along. He made so many contradictions to himself its not worth it anymore. I guess its pretty sad to be one of the only 3 people who don't accept the reality. Denial is part of the recovery/acceptance process for those 3 people. I'm afraid another Blizzcon victory and title of undisputed GOAT for Serral might be the final straw for them | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 19 2019 06:21 KobeSteak wrote: Denial is part of the recovery/acceptance process for those 3 people. I'm afraid another Blizzcon victory and title of undisputed GOAT for Serral might be the final straw for them A blizzcon title wouldn't make him the undisputed goat though, one doesn't have to be "one of those 3 people" to realize that much. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7420 Posts
Also since this isn't BW, there will never be a Bonjwa. But we can use words like "this dude got serraled into oblivion" or "wow he defended this attack perfect, almost serralesque" | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
On September 19 2019 17:46 Harris1st wrote: But we can use words like "this dude got serraled into oblivion" or "wow he defended this attack perfect, almost serralesque" This is really cringe | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
No, it's serralesque | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On September 19 2019 06:21 KobeSteak wrote: Denial is part of the recovery/acceptance process for those 3 people. I'm afraid another Blizzcon victory and title of undisputed GOAT for Serral might be the final straw for them Life get 1 Title, 2 finals, sOs got 3 WC titles, Rogue got 2 consecutive WC titles... but I am the hater here for "just" aknowledging Serral as good and not as god... Charo - love your enthusiasm, but I think it's useless. | ||
nimdil
Poland3774 Posts
This IS unprecedented. But Reynor should still make the list - maybe No. 10. Koreans have failed in this GSL vs. The World in general so maybe it's time to reduce the significance of recent not best results against them. | ||
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stilt
France2755 Posts
On September 19 2019 11:59 IshinShishi wrote: Its unfortunate for Serral, but I dont think GOAT status is even attainable for him at sc2's current " nearly dead" state, I believe it's quite desingenuous to try to compare any achievement these days to the golden days of sc2 when there were so many high level motivated players backed up by good infrastructure. I agree, the same can be said to Maru while Serral is even more complex because he doesn't participate to gsl. | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
On September 19 2019 22:26 stilt wrote: I agree, the same can be said to Maru while Serral is even more complex because he doesn't participate to gsl. The level of gameplay is higher than ever. Serral now is more skilled then Life, MVP or Innovation were at their peak. But some would argue that is is an unfair comparison since any sport is typically at a higher level now then it was previously. For instance, even though Messi is more skilled compared to Maradona, Maradona dominated his time period more than Messi ever will. So even if we compare players to their own time time I would say Serral dominates more than Life, MVP or Innovation did. Did any of those player reach and hold peak skill as long as Serral has done? Also people overestimate the GSL. GSL vs the World had a foreigner vs foreigner final so being the best in Korea does not mean as much now when foreigners have catched up. Serral dominates both WCS and most tournaments with koreans, which is more than what Maru or any other korean does. | ||
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KobeSteak
39 Posts
On September 19 2019 09:19 The_Red_Viper wrote: A blizzcon title wouldn't make him the undisputed goat though, one doesn't have to be "one of those 3 people" to realize that much. 2 years straight of pure dominance and back to back blizzcon. Yup GOAT worthy. But feel free to keep holding on that thought "GSL > everything" mentality. | ||
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