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Maru and Serral have been in the same tournaments since 2018 like 8 times.
Maru went on ahead to win 1 of those, while Serral finished ro4.
In all other tournaments Serral finished ahead of Maru or outright won.
Lets be real this is what it all comes down to, Maru fanboys incredibly butthurt, Maru has a lot of fans, every time he gets eliminated there's a deluge of posts/replies, Reddit's thread about Maru getting sOs'd in Blizzcon was humongously long for a single match thread.
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On September 19 2019 01:58 terribleplayer1 wrote:
Maru and Serral have been in the same tournaments since 2018 like 8 times.
Maru went on ahead to win 1 of those, while Serral finished ro4.
In all other tournaments Serral finished ahead of Maru or outright won.
Lets be real this is what it all comes down to, Maru fanboys incredibly butthurt, Maru has a lot of fans, every time he gets eliminated there's a deluge of posts/replies, Reddit's thread about Maru getting sOs'd in Blizzcon was humongously long for a single match thread.
Yeah and lets disregard when Maru dumpstered Serral at wesg lol.
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I didn't disregard I mentioned it, thats the 1 tournament he won and did better than Serral.
Score is Serral 7, Maru 1
It's even possible Maru beats Serral on the h2h, but looking at Maru vs Ragnarok I don't think so.
(Serral did dumpster Maru in a bo1 in GSL v World as well)
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On September 19 2019 02:00 Moonerz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2019 01:58 terribleplayer1 wrote:
Maru and Serral have been in the same tournaments since 2018 like 8 times.
Maru went on ahead to win 1 of those, while Serral finished ro4.
In all other tournaments Serral finished ahead of Maru or outright won.
Lets be real this is what it all comes down to, Maru fanboys incredibly butthurt, Maru has a lot of fans, every time he gets eliminated there's a deluge of posts/replies, Reddit's thread about Maru getting sOs'd in Blizzcon was humongously long for a single match thread.
Yeah and lets disregard when Maru dumpstered Serral at wesg lol.
Then in GVW2018, blizzcon2018, IEM 2019, wesg 2019, GVW2019, hello, where is maru?
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On September 19 2019 02:10 terribleplayer1 wrote:
I didn't disregard I mentioned it, thats the 1 tournament he won and did better than Serral.
Score is Serral 7, Maru 1
It's even possible Maru beats Serral on the h2h, but looking at Maru vs Ragnarok I don't think so.
(Serral did dumpster Maru in a bo1 in GSL v World as well)
01/22/2018 IEM Season XII World Championship Serral dumpstered Maru 2-0 as well.
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On September 19 2019 02:17 hh1009 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2019 02:10 terribleplayer1 wrote:
I didn't disregard I mentioned it, thats the 1 tournament he won and did better than Serral.
Score is Serral 7, Maru 1
It's even possible Maru beats Serral on the h2h, but looking at Maru vs Ragnarok I don't think so.
(Serral did dumpster Maru in a bo1 in GSL v World as well) 01/22/2018 IEM Season XII World Championship Serral dumpstered Maru 2-0 as well.
The online eu server qualifier? Come on lol
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On September 19 2019 02:26 Moonerz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2019 02:17 hh1009 wrote:On September 19 2019 02:10 terribleplayer1 wrote:
I didn't disregard I mentioned it, thats the 1 tournament he won and did better than Serral.
Score is Serral 7, Maru 1
It's even possible Maru beats Serral on the h2h, but looking at Maru vs Ragnarok I don't think so.
(Serral did dumpster Maru in a bo1 in GSL v World as well) 01/22/2018 IEM Season XII World Championship Serral dumpstered Maru 2-0 as well. The online eu server qualifier? Come on lol
yeah, the version Terran with imba seeker missles, come on.
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Observe: there has been zero signs of Serral truly slumping, while many of these lauded players have been going up and down like roller coasters. Some like to point out their peaks while ignoring their troughs, and then say, "See! No way Serra even close to goat."
Oh look! Rogue, Maru, Innovation...NoOoOo. My Korean idols! Aaaaah brain explodes
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/rtX8CYA.jpg)
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/xhAXEZx.jpg)
If you can cherry pick info to make some players look good, I can cherry pick info to make them look less than mediocre, as well. Now, try to find any example of Serral falling anywhere near that low in performance in the past 2.5 years. I'll wait. No, really, give it a strong effort.
Some Einstein even calling win % vs Koreans "cherry picked," while he cherry picks tournament wins. LOL It can't get much more retarded than that...eh, who am I kiddin.
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On September 19 2019 01:26 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2019 23:25 Fango wrote:On September 18 2019 23:21 Shuffleblade wrote:On September 18 2019 23:00 Charoisaur wrote:On September 18 2019 21:08 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On September 18 2019 20:15 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On September 18 2019 18:57 Charoisaur wrote:On September 18 2019 18:20 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On September 18 2019 16:43 Charoisaur wrote:On September 18 2019 13:06 Pandain wrote:
Since April or May 2018 serral has either won every offline tournament or got eliminated by the eventual champion.
Anyone who doesn't say that is the craziest period of consistency and yes dominance is just delusional at this point.
But yeah I mean this debate has been the same for a year now and no one is gonna change their mind Numbers disagree with you, aside from WCS dominance which the other players don't have access to Serral hasn't been more dominant than Inno, Maru etc. Didn't know your result becomes more impressive if the player that beats you happens to win the tournament - is that one of the new criteria Serral fans made up to make him look as good as possible? If you're that desperate to find things that make him look dominant then maybe he actually is not that dominant. You are the delusional one. Which specific numbers are you referring to ? Like I said before, since Jan18, Serral is 80%+ winrate in matches *vs Koreans*, Maru is 65% (66% vs 60% in games respectively). Do you have alternative evidence to offer ? I'm not talking about some cherry-picked statistics - I'm talking about the actual success they had at tournaments. Winrate vs Koreans cherry-picked ? Winrates are literally assumption-free (until you condition them), that's probability 101. You don't think a high winrate is a necessary condition to win tournaments over the long run ? If anything, these numbers are conservative, so as not to skew stats positively by including winrate vs foreigners. Also funny you should say that in the Power Rank thread, which is literally opening with these arguments '(but also in his losing streak to Solar (who beat him 6-2 in maps over three different series)' to assess rankings. But now in your own words... On September 17 2019 23:32 Charoisaur wrote:
Yeah surprise surprise - if you avoid the real competition you tend to lose less.
Just gonna leave this here  ... More seriously, you're otherwise a reasonable guy, dismissing hard data like historical frequency of wins with a simple sleight of hand is not a particularly good look. Especially when claiming unreasonableness from the 'other side'. Several people including myself have been calling out mr. Charoisaur to provide any conclusive quantitative justification for their claims, yet instead they consistently respond with fake facts like: On September 18 2019 20:50 Charoisaur wrote:
Keeping up a high winrate over a high number of games is harder than having a high winrate over a low number of games.
This is mathematically and historically incorrect. And there are more like that, including my favorite "GSL is by far the most competitive and hardest competition in the world" and "to prove you are no1 you have to travel to Korea and live there for 3 months". Wait and see them respond to the easiest points in this message (if respond at all). Don't waste your time. This is getting funny. GSL has always universally been regarded as the most competitive competition in the world, only lately Serral fanboys have started claiming it's "not important" because they are so insecure and desperate in wanting to make him look as good as possible. I already provided my "conclusive quantitative justification" multiple times with actual tournament results and not with some random meaningless winrates. Out of the last 7 non-region locked premier events Serral has won 4. Impressive but not unprecended. Other players have done the same. The only reason you and others think he's literal starcraft jesus is because his results are boosted by WCS. Great, then please show me what "other players" have done the same. Which players have played exclusively in tournaments against top koreans and won 4/7 and placed 1 RO8, 1 semifinal and one silver medal in the remaining three. Sorry but you can't cherry pick results either, show me which player had a streak of seven tournaments in a row with results at least as good as Serrals. You say plenty of players have done that, then tell me their names and their streaks. While I won't go deep into whatever statistical readings you might want, I did this in a thread not too long ago so I'll just copy what I wrote there Serral went 3/8 in big/premier tournaments (with koreans only) in 18 months (although he reached at least ro8 in all of them). Here are some examples of koreans doing equal/better in a smaller time frame, and none of them received the same hype as Serral. None of them are considered bonjwas. INno went 4/10 in 9 months Rogue went 4/6 in 8 months. Maru went 4/7 in 7 months. Zest went 3/7 in 8 months. Mvp went 6/12 in 12 months Life went 3/5 in 4 months. And that's not even going into the fact that all of these (except Rogue) were winning starleagues not just weekenders. Also an extra fun stat: Zest, Maru, Life, and Rogue made at least ro8 in each event during said streak. INno made ro8 in all but two. Usual disclaimer: you ignored HSC(for no reason) and you included the international tournaments before GSL vs the World 2018, when Serral had not started his international domination.
The topic was refering to Serral's streak of going 3/8 or 4/9 if you include HSC. He was clearly including global events before GSL vs TW and the question literally asked what other players could go 3/7 in global events while also making ro8 or above in all of them.
If you wanna ignore Serral's performance at IEM/WeSG then his streak is 3/6 in 12 months I guess. Even then it's close to the others. No one has answered me as to why Serral's streak is that much better than the rest.
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On September 19 2019 02:31 hh1009 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2019 02:26 Moonerz wrote:On September 19 2019 02:17 hh1009 wrote:On September 19 2019 02:10 terribleplayer1 wrote:
I didn't disregard I mentioned it, thats the 1 tournament he won and did better than Serral.
Score is Serral 7, Maru 1
It's even possible Maru beats Serral on the h2h, but looking at Maru vs Ragnarok I don't think so.
(Serral did dumpster Maru in a bo1 in GSL v World as well) 01/22/2018 IEM Season XII World Championship Serral dumpstered Maru 2-0 as well. The online eu server qualifier? Come on lol yeah, the version Terran with imba seeker missles, come on.
So much is wrong here.
A) The match was played a whole week before the seeker missile patch came out
B) Terran was the worst performing race by a large margin on that patch anyway
C) It was played on EU server, claiming it to be some kind of important win is nonsense
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On September 19 2019 02:42 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2019 02:31 hh1009 wrote:On September 19 2019 02:26 Moonerz wrote:On September 19 2019 02:17 hh1009 wrote:On September 19 2019 02:10 terribleplayer1 wrote:
I didn't disregard I mentioned it, thats the 1 tournament he won and did better than Serral.
Score is Serral 7, Maru 1
It's even possible Maru beats Serral on the h2h, but looking at Maru vs Ragnarok I don't think so.
(Serral did dumpster Maru in a bo1 in GSL v World as well) 01/22/2018 IEM Season XII World Championship Serral dumpstered Maru 2-0 as well. The online eu server qualifier? Come on lol yeah, the version Terran with imba seeker missles, come on. So much is wrong here. A) The match was played a whole week before the seeker missile patch came out B) Terran was the worst performing race by a large margin on that patch anyway C) It was played on EU server, claiming it to be some kind of important win is nonsense
A) the seeker missile nerf Patch 4.3.0 came out on 2018.05.15 (before that, it is the imba version)
B) With a 51% tvz winrate on 2018 Jan from Aligualc?
C) I didn't say it is offline, I just want to remind him Serral had won Maru twice.
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by the way, you hadn't answer my question, where is maru in GVW2018, blizzcon2018, IEM 2019, WESG 2019, GVW2019 ?
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On September 19 2019 01:52 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2019 00:41 Arghmyliver wrote:On September 19 2019 00:19 Charoisaur wrote:On September 19 2019 00:06 Arghmyliver wrote:
Per Aligulac stats;
Since August of 2018 Serral has lost 11 series. 11. In a year. He loses less than once a month. And he's played way more than Maru (~100 more games).
He has lost to Reynor (x3), Stats (x2), INno (x2), Neeb (x2), HeRoMaRinE, soO
The lowest rating in that group (at the time of their match) - 2372 HeRoMaRinE
In that same time period Maru has lost 31 matches. Maru loses more than twice a month. And he's played way less games! He also played and lost to everyone from the above list, minus HeRoMaRinE (unplayed) and Reynor, plus add several other players including;
1648 MeomaikA
TBH Serral should have been #1 since last August. Congrats - you posted the most flawed statistics in this thread yet! I just copy pasted from Aligulac my dude. Take it however you want. 124/11 > 79/31. You can pull anything from Aligulac, doesn't mean those stats mean anything. I can search for most wins against koreans in that time period - bet then Maru comes out ahead?
Yes, Maru did play significantly more people of Korean origin during that time than Serral. Shockingly, Maru has many more losses vs Koreans during that time period. His record vs Koreans is strictly worse than Serral's. Luckily for Maru, the intent of this PR is to measure SC2 proficiency in general rather than SC2 proficiency vs exclusively Korean individuals. Unfortunately for Maru, his failure to measure up to Serral statistically over the past year is only magnified by the inclusion of all matches.
Who is better overall? Serral 124/11 > 79/31
Who is better vs each other? Serral 1 > 0
Who is better vs Protoss? Serral 36/4 > 26/15
Who is better vs Terran? Serral 33/3 > 20/9
Who is better vs Zerg? Serral 55/4 > 33/7
Who is better vs Koreans? Serral 28/5 > 50/28
Who is better vs non Koreans? (This is by far the closest statistic and guess what it's still) Serral 96/6 > 29/3
Which statistic did you want to look at again?
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On September 19 2019 02:37 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2019 01:26 Xain0n wrote:On September 18 2019 23:25 Fango wrote:On September 18 2019 23:21 Shuffleblade wrote:On September 18 2019 23:00 Charoisaur wrote:On September 18 2019 21:08 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On September 18 2019 20:15 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On September 18 2019 18:57 Charoisaur wrote:On September 18 2019 18:20 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On September 18 2019 16:43 Charoisaur wrote:
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Numbers disagree with you, aside from WCS dominance which the other players don't have access to Serral hasn't been more dominant than Inno, Maru etc.
Didn't know your result becomes more impressive if the player that beats you happens to win the tournament - is that one of the new criteria Serral fans made up to make him look as good as possible?
If you're that desperate to find things that make him look dominant then maybe he actually is not that dominant.
You are the delusional one. Which specific numbers are you referring to ? Like I said before, since Jan18, Serral is 80%+ winrate in matches *vs Koreans*, Maru is 65% (66% vs 60% in games respectively). Do you have alternative evidence to offer ? I'm not talking about some cherry-picked statistics - I'm talking about the actual success they had at tournaments. Winrate vs Koreans cherry-picked ? Winrates are literally assumption-free (until you condition them), that's probability 101. You don't think a high winrate is a necessary condition to win tournaments over the long run ? If anything, these numbers are conservative, so as not to skew stats positively by including winrate vs foreigners. Also funny you should say that in the Power Rank thread, which is literally opening with these arguments '(but also in his losing streak to Solar (who beat him 6-2 in maps over three different series)' to assess rankings. But now in your own words... On September 17 2019 23:32 Charoisaur wrote:
Yeah surprise surprise - if you avoid the real competition you tend to lose less.
Just gonna leave this here ... More seriously, you're otherwise a reasonable guy, dismissing hard data like historical frequency of wins with a simple sleight of hand is not a particularly good look. Especially when claiming unreasonableness from the 'other side'. Several people including myself have been calling out mr. Charoisaur to provide any conclusive quantitative justification for their claims, yet instead they consistently respond with fake facts like: On September 18 2019 20:50 Charoisaur wrote:
Keeping up a high winrate over a high number of games is harder than having a high winrate over a low number of games.
This is mathematically and historically incorrect. And there are more like that, including my favorite "GSL is by far the most competitive and hardest competition in the world" and "to prove you are no1 you have to travel to Korea and live there for 3 months". Wait and see them respond to the easiest points in this message (if respond at all). Don't waste your time. This is getting funny. GSL has always universally been regarded as the most competitive competition in the world, only lately Serral fanboys have started claiming it's "not important" because they are so insecure and desperate in wanting to make him look as good as possible. I already provided my "conclusive quantitative justification" multiple times with actual tournament results and not with some random meaningless winrates. Out of the last 7 non-region locked premier events Serral has won 4. Impressive but not unprecended. Other players have done the same. The only reason you and others think he's literal starcraft jesus is because his results are boosted by WCS. Great, then please show me what "other players" have done the same. Which players have played exclusively in tournaments against top koreans and won 4/7 and placed 1 RO8, 1 semifinal and one silver medal in the remaining three. Sorry but you can't cherry pick results either, show me which player had a streak of seven tournaments in a row with results at least as good as Serrals. You say plenty of players have done that, then tell me their names and their streaks. While I won't go deep into whatever statistical readings you might want, I did this in a thread not too long ago so I'll just copy what I wrote there Serral went 3/8 in big/premier tournaments (with koreans only) in 18 months (although he reached at least ro8 in all of them). Here are some examples of koreans doing equal/better in a smaller time frame, and none of them received the same hype as Serral. None of them are considered bonjwas. INno went 4/10 in 9 months Rogue went 4/6 in 8 months. Maru went 4/7 in 7 months. Zest went 3/7 in 8 months. Mvp went 6/12 in 12 months Life went 3/5 in 4 months. And that's not even going into the fact that all of these (except Rogue) were winning starleagues not just weekenders. Also an extra fun stat: Zest, Maru, Life, and Rogue made at least ro8 in each event during said streak. INno made ro8 in all but two. Usual disclaimer: you ignored HSC(for no reason) and you included the international tournaments before GSL vs the World 2018, when Serral had not started his international domination. The topic was refering to Serral's streak of going 3/8 or 4/9 if you include HSC. He was clearly including global events before GSL vs TW and the question literally asked what other players could go 3/7 in global events while also making ro8 or above in all of them. If you wanna ignore Serral's performance at IEM/WeSG then his streak is 3/6 in 12 months I guess. Even then it's close to the others. No one has answered me as to why Serral's streak is that much better than the rest.
In short, eries winstreak, and average placement if you only look at international tournaments(every single aspect, if you include WCS). More detailed answers have been given multiple times in the last year.
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On September 19 2019 03:04 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2019 01:52 Charoisaur wrote:On September 19 2019 00:41 Arghmyliver wrote:On September 19 2019 00:19 Charoisaur wrote:On September 19 2019 00:06 Arghmyliver wrote:
Per Aligulac stats;
Since August of 2018 Serral has lost 11 series. 11. In a year. He loses less than once a month. And he's played way more than Maru (~100 more games).
He has lost to Reynor (x3), Stats (x2), INno (x2), Neeb (x2), HeRoMaRinE, soO
The lowest rating in that group (at the time of their match) - 2372 HeRoMaRinE
In that same time period Maru has lost 31 matches. Maru loses more than twice a month. And he's played way less games! He also played and lost to everyone from the above list, minus HeRoMaRinE (unplayed) and Reynor, plus add several other players including;
1648 MeomaikA
TBH Serral should have been #1 since last August. Congrats - you posted the most flawed statistics in this thread yet! I just copy pasted from Aligulac my dude. Take it however you want. 124/11 > 79/31. You can pull anything from Aligulac, doesn't mean those stats mean anything. I can search for most wins against koreans in that time period - bet then Maru comes out ahead? Which statistic did you want to look at again?
Wouldn't that require a colonoscopy to answer?
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On September 19 2019 03:04 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2019 01:52 Charoisaur wrote:On September 19 2019 00:41 Arghmyliver wrote:On September 19 2019 00:19 Charoisaur wrote:On September 19 2019 00:06 Arghmyliver wrote:
Per Aligulac stats;
Since August of 2018 Serral has lost 11 series. 11. In a year. He loses less than once a month. And he's played way more than Maru (~100 more games).
He has lost to Reynor (x3), Stats (x2), INno (x2), Neeb (x2), HeRoMaRinE, soO
The lowest rating in that group (at the time of their match) - 2372 HeRoMaRinE
In that same time period Maru has lost 31 matches. Maru loses more than twice a month. And he's played way less games! He also played and lost to everyone from the above list, minus HeRoMaRinE (unplayed) and Reynor, plus add several other players including;
1648 MeomaikA
TBH Serral should have been #1 since last August. Congrats - you posted the most flawed statistics in this thread yet! I just copy pasted from Aligulac my dude. Take it however you want. 124/11 > 79/31. You can pull anything from Aligulac, doesn't mean those stats mean anything. I can search for most wins against koreans in that time period - bet then Maru comes out ahead? Yes, Maru did play significantly more people of Korean origin during that time than Serral. Shockingly, Maru has many more losses vs Koreans during that time period. His record vs Koreans is strictly worse than Serral's. Luckily for Maru, the intent of this PR is to measure SC2 proficiency in general rather than SC2 proficiency vs exclusively Korean individuals. Unfortunately for Maru, his failure to measure up to Serral statistically over the past year is only magnified by the inclusion of all matches. Who is better overall? Serral 124/11 > 79/31 Who is better vs each other? Serral 1 > 0 Who is better vs Protoss? Serral 36/4 > 26/15 Who is better vs Terran? Serral 33/3 > 20/9 Who is better vs Zerg? Serral 55/4 > 33/7 Who is better vs Koreans? Serral 28/5 > 50/28 Who is better vs non Koreans? (This is by far the closest statistic and guess what it's still) Serral 96/6 > 29/3 Which statistic did you want to look at again?
now you cherry-picked the period of time to make Serral look as good as possible.
Why start at August 2018? Maru's dominance started at WESG 2018.
also all the stats except the last two are a complete joke since Serral faces way weaker competition on average.
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as to no one ever reaching Serral's 28-5 winrate against koreans - Rogue had 28-7 against koreans during his peak with 5 of those losses being in SSL challenge where he didn't play serious.
and still Artosis got laughed at for calling him a bonjwa
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On September 19 2019 03:47 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2019 03:04 Arghmyliver wrote:On September 19 2019 01:52 Charoisaur wrote:On September 19 2019 00:41 Arghmyliver wrote:On September 19 2019 00:19 Charoisaur wrote:On September 19 2019 00:06 Arghmyliver wrote:
Per Aligulac stats;
Since August of 2018 Serral has lost 11 series. 11. In a year. He loses less than once a month. And he's played way more than Maru (~100 more games).
He has lost to Reynor (x3), Stats (x2), INno (x2), Neeb (x2), HeRoMaRinE, soO
The lowest rating in that group (at the time of their match) - 2372 HeRoMaRinE
In that same time period Maru has lost 31 matches. Maru loses more than twice a month. And he's played way less games! He also played and lost to everyone from the above list, minus HeRoMaRinE (unplayed) and Reynor, plus add several other players including;
1648 MeomaikA
TBH Serral should have been #1 since last August. Congrats - you posted the most flawed statistics in this thread yet! I just copy pasted from Aligulac my dude. Take it however you want. 124/11 > 79/31. You can pull anything from Aligulac, doesn't mean those stats mean anything. I can search for most wins against koreans in that time period - bet then Maru comes out ahead? Yes, Maru did play significantly more people of Korean origin during that time than Serral. Shockingly, Maru has many more losses vs Koreans during that time period. His record vs Koreans is strictly worse than Serral's. Luckily for Maru, the intent of this PR is to measure SC2 proficiency in general rather than SC2 proficiency vs exclusively Korean individuals. Unfortunately for Maru, his failure to measure up to Serral statistically over the past year is only magnified by the inclusion of all matches. Who is better overall? Serral 124/11 > 79/31 Who is better vs each other? Serral 1 > 0 Who is better vs Protoss? Serral 36/4 > 26/15 Who is better vs Terran? Serral 33/3 > 20/9 Who is better vs Zerg? Serral 55/4 > 33/7 Who is better vs Koreans? Serral 28/5 > 50/28 Who is better vs non Koreans? (This is by far the closest statistic and guess what it's still) Serral 96/6 > 29/3 Which statistic did you want to look at again? now you cherry-picked the period of time to make Serral look as good as possible. Why start at August 2018? Maru's dominance started at WESG 2018. also all the stats except the last two are a complete joke since Serral faces way weaker competition on average.
The time period was explicitly stated in my first post. It has not changed in subsequent posts. The conclusion/premise stated at the end of the first post - albeit offhandedly - was that Serral should have been #1 since last August. It would seem reasonable to me to measure his success from that date to support such a conclusion.
Edit: If you would like to discount all the statistics except the last two, you are more than welcome to do so. However, you do realize that those statistics all come from the same group of players and that 1, 3-5, and 6-7 are all encompassing? The strength of competition remains unchanged regardless of what you are measuring.
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On September 19 2019 04:12 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2019 03:47 Charoisaur wrote:On September 19 2019 03:04 Arghmyliver wrote:On September 19 2019 01:52 Charoisaur wrote:On September 19 2019 00:41 Arghmyliver wrote:On September 19 2019 00:19 Charoisaur wrote:On September 19 2019 00:06 Arghmyliver wrote:
Per Aligulac stats;
Since August of 2018 Serral has lost 11 series. 11. In a year. He loses less than once a month. And he's played way more than Maru (~100 more games).
He has lost to Reynor (x3), Stats (x2), INno (x2), Neeb (x2), HeRoMaRinE, soO
The lowest rating in that group (at the time of their match) - 2372 HeRoMaRinE
In that same time period Maru has lost 31 matches. Maru loses more than twice a month. And he's played way less games! He also played and lost to everyone from the above list, minus HeRoMaRinE (unplayed) and Reynor, plus add several other players including;
1648 MeomaikA
TBH Serral should have been #1 since last August. Congrats - you posted the most flawed statistics in this thread yet! I just copy pasted from Aligulac my dude. Take it however you want. 124/11 > 79/31. You can pull anything from Aligulac, doesn't mean those stats mean anything. I can search for most wins against koreans in that time period - bet then Maru comes out ahead? Yes, Maru did play significantly more people of Korean origin during that time than Serral. Shockingly, Maru has many more losses vs Koreans during that time period. His record vs Koreans is strictly worse than Serral's. Luckily for Maru, the intent of this PR is to measure SC2 proficiency in general rather than SC2 proficiency vs exclusively Korean individuals. Unfortunately for Maru, his failure to measure up to Serral statistically over the past year is only magnified by the inclusion of all matches. Who is better overall? Serral 124/11 > 79/31 Who is better vs each other? Serral 1 > 0 Who is better vs Protoss? Serral 36/4 > 26/15 Who is better vs Terran? Serral 33/3 > 20/9 Who is better vs Zerg? Serral 55/4 > 33/7 Who is better vs Koreans? Serral 28/5 > 50/28 Who is better vs non Koreans? (This is by far the closest statistic and guess what it's still) Serral 96/6 > 29/3 Which statistic did you want to look at again? now you cherry-picked the period of time to make Serral look as good as possible. Why start at August 2018? Maru's dominance started at WESG 2018. also all the stats except the last two are a complete joke since Serral faces way weaker competition on average. The time period was explicitly stated in my first post. It has not changed in subsequent posts. The conclusion/premise stated at the end of the first post - albeit offhandedly - was that Serral should have been #1 since last August. It would seem reasonable to me to measure his success from that date to support such a conclusion.
then we're discussing different things but your attempt doesn't make sense anyways since at August last year the data how he will perform in the future was not available yet 
If we're discussing the best player of the last 13 months then of course Serral is the best.
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On September 19 2019 02:37 Fango wrote:
The topic was refering to Serral's streak of going 3/8 or 4/9 if you include HSC. He was clearly including global events before GSL vs TW and the question literally asked what other players could go 3/7 in global events while also making ro8 or above in all of them.
If you wanna ignore Serral's performance at IEM/WeSG then his streak is 3/6 in 12 months I guess. Even then it's close to the others. No one has answered me as to why Serral's streak is that much better than the rest.
Yes I did, look at the best streak of results for 7 consecutive tournaments and tell me whose is most impressive.
On September 19 2019 00:55 Shuffleblade wrote:
Serral
1, 1, 1, RO8, 2, RO4, 1
Rogue
1, 1 ,1, RO32, 1, RO-, RO16
Maru
1, 1, RO8, 1, 1, RO4, RO8
On September 19 2019 04:03 Charoisaur wrote:as to no one ever reaching Serral's 28-5 winrate against koreans - Rogue had 28-7 against koreans during his peak with 5 of those losses being in SSL challenge where he didn't play serious. and still Artosis got laughed at for calling him a bonjwa
That is still not "reaching Serrals 28-5 winrate" that is close but still worse, not to mention Rogue fell off straight afterwards while Serrals insane stats are still going strong.
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