On April 09 2019 16:49 Harris1st wrote: In GSL, everytime Maru gets to Ghosts, Protoss is dead. So much so that I almost considered making a statement with increasing the range of Feedback.
Now I haven't seen any of these qualifier games, but there surely have to be some macro games among them. It seems like, other Terrans underestimate the game changing capabilities ONE EMP can have
IMO it's more about that Raven and turning off high impact units like Colossus/Immortal.
To the balance discussion - IEM - 1 terran in RO12, 0T in RO8, GSL ST - 2 Terrans in RO16.
No offense to anyone, but if you think that this is fine because Maru is doing fine in GSL and because of WESG where both Terrans had only 2 realistic opponents(Dark, Serral), then I don't know what to tell ya. Oh, now I know. If you gonna use WESG, I'm gonna use WCS in how bad shape Terran is! Oooh, genious!
The last time we saw such numbers it was during the blink era and it was very easy to spot(maps, balance, MSC vision), now it appears as more of a design issue and I am very interested on how this gonna be solved by Blizzard(if ...)
I see, Terrans winning tournaments or placing top 3 doesnt matter, because there are other tournaments that they dont win or place top 3. Your logic is flawless.
The efficiency of terran whiners is just next level, there's a qualifiers which most people couldnt even watch, terrans end up having just 2 spots, and suddenly it's the end of the world. For all we know Terran will win the supertournament after this.
I'm indifferent in regards to TvP, it's a bad mu, i dont watch it a lot, so by all means, shake it up. I just enjoy the terran tears too much.
Compared to our results we are the less whiny race I'd say
On April 09 2019 06:32 Anc13nt wrote: Feels like it's becoming more and more clear that terran is underpowered tbh. Just because Maru is doing well doesn't mean terran is doing fine, especially since Maru seems to thrive whenever terran is weak.
not really innovation just won a big tournament and now had bad luck while aslo kicking out other terrans before ...
there were nothing that made terran worse between the last terran tournament win vs SERRAL and now
WESG had these good players: Scarlett, Dark, Maru, Neeb, Serral, Innovation. Out of these 6 players only 4 players(at that time) could be considered top - Neeb, Maru, Serral & Dark(considering Neeb's PvT/PvZ as there was no serious Protoss contender). Innovation surprised everyone with his TvT(Maru included ) and won it. But seriously, out of these 6 players if none Terran is in the finals it would be weird. I believe that if Maru and Inno were on different sides of the bracket we would have had TvT finals.
But OK, you're using WESG as an example.
Look at WCS and how underrepresented Terrans are and how bad results they have! Out of all the 4 WCS finals NONE of them had any Terran! (Raynor, Has, Mana, Showtime IIRC). How can you tell it's fine! And usually it's only 1 or 2 Terrans in RO8!!! If that's not a clear sign of issues then I don't know what! (similar issue of using flawed group to make statistics, IEM and GSL ST is more representative as it has bigger scale of both good Terrans and not good Terrans)
Edit> Just realized Blizzcon has WCS in the name too. 5 finals and NO TERRAN!@#! Hurr durr. If you include recent gauntlets(or w/e it was named) it gets even worse. Tell me, where have all the Terrans gone?
On April 09 2019 16:49 Harris1st wrote: In GSL, everytime Maru gets to Ghosts, Protoss is dead. So much so that I almost considered making a statement with increasing the range of Feedback.
Now I haven't seen any of these qualifier games, but there surely have to be some macro games among them. It seems like, other Terrans underestimate the game changing capabilities ONE EMP can have
IMO it's more about that Raven and turning off high impact units like Colossus/Immortal.
To the balance discussion - IEM - 1 terran in RO12, 0T in RO8, GSL ST - 2 Terrans in RO16.
No offense to anyone, but if you think that this is fine because Maru is doing fine in GSL and because of WESG where both Terrans had only 2 realistic opponents(Dark, Serral), then I don't know what to tell ya. Oh, now I know. If you gonna use WESG, I'm gonna use WCS in how bad shape Terran is! Oooh, genious!
The last time we saw such numbers it was during the blink era and it was very easy to spot(maps, balance, MSC vision), now it appears as more of a design issue and I am very interested on how this gonna be solved by Blizzard(if ...)
I see, Terrans winning tournaments or placing top 3 doesnt matter, because there are other tournaments that they dont win or place top 3. Your logic is flawless.
The efficiency of terran whiners is just next level, there's a qualifiers which most people couldnt even watch, terrans end up having just 2 spots, and suddenly it's the end of the world. For all we know Terran will win the supertournament after this.
I'm indifferent in regards to TvP, it's a bad mu, i dont watch it a lot, so by all means, shake it up. I just enjoy the terran tears too much.
Compared to our results we are the less whiny race I'd say
You would say that, of course. Yet it wouldnt make it any more true.
On April 09 2019 06:32 Anc13nt wrote: Feels like it's becoming more and more clear that terran is underpowered tbh. Just because Maru is doing well doesn't mean terran is doing fine, especially since Maru seems to thrive whenever terran is weak.
not really innovation just won a big tournament and now had bad luck while aslo kicking out other terrans before ...
there were nothing that made terran worse between the last terran tournament win vs SERRAL and now
WESG had these good players: Scarlett, Dark, Maru, Neeb, Serral, Innovation. Out of these 6 players only 4 players(at that time) could be considered top - Neeb, Maru, Serral & Dark(considering Neeb's PvT/PvZ as there was no serious Protoss contender). Innovation surprised everyone with his TvT(Maru included ) and won it. But seriously, out of these 6 players if none Terran is in the finals it would be weird. I believe that if Maru and Inno were on different sides of the bracket we would have had TvT finals.
But OK, you're using WESG as an example.
Look at WCS and how underrepresented Terrans are and how bad results they have! Out of all the 4 WCS finals NONE of them had any Terran! (Raynor, Has, Mana, Showtime IIRC). How can you tell it's fine! And usually it's only 1 or 2 Terrans in RO8!!! If that's not a clear sign of issues then I don't know what! (similar issue of using flawed group to make statistics, IEM and GSL ST is more representative as it has bigger scale of both good Terrans and not good Terrans)
Edit> Just realized Blizzcon has WCS in the name too. 5 finals and NO TERRAN!@#! Hurr durr. If you include recent gauntlets(or w/e it was named) it gets even worse. Tell me, where have all the Terrans gone?
Funny when it comes to player's strength like, say, Serral, winning WCS doesnt mean jackshit for you and all the other terran fans, but when it comes to balance, it trumps GSL in an instant.
Btw, if we're at WCS, both EU and NA had terran 3rd place, which compared to the relative strength of the players would be considered an over-performance.
But ok, Terran hasnt been in a WCS finals for ages. Fair enough. Coincidently Zerg hasnt been in a GSL finals for i dont know, like 6-7 seasons in a row. + Show Spoiler +
Edit: looked it up, it was june 2017 last time zerg got into a final (soo 2nd palce)
Please throw a tantrum about that, if you're just concerned with balance and trends. Oh, no, that's fine, that s explainable and natural, and it's Maru, and it s the format and it s all the other things. That's fine.
On April 09 2019 06:32 Anc13nt wrote: Feels like it's becoming more and more clear that terran is underpowered tbh. Just because Maru is doing well doesn't mean terran is doing fine, especially since Maru seems to thrive whenever terran is weak.
not really innovation just won a big tournament and now had bad luck while aslo kicking out other terrans before ...
there were nothing that made terran worse between the last terran tournament win vs SERRAL and now
WESG had these good players: Scarlett, Dark, Maru, Neeb, Serral, Innovation. Out of these 6 players only 4 players(at that time) could be considered top - Neeb, Maru, Serral & Dark(considering Neeb's PvT/PvZ as there was no serious Protoss contender). Innovation surprised everyone with his TvT(Maru included ) and won it. But seriously, out of these 6 players if none Terran is in the finals it would be weird. I believe that if Maru and Inno were on different sides of the bracket we would have had TvT finals.
But OK, you're using WESG as an example.
Look at WCS and how underrepresented Terrans are and how bad results they have! Out of all the 4 WCS finals NONE of them had any Terran! (Raynor, Has, Mana, Showtime IIRC). How can you tell it's fine! And usually it's only 1 or 2 Terrans in RO8!!! If that's not a clear sign of issues then I don't know what! (similar issue of using flawed group to make statistics, IEM and GSL ST is more representative as it has bigger scale of both good Terrans and not good Terrans)
Edit> Just realized Blizzcon has WCS in the name too. 5 finals and NO TERRAN!@#! Hurr durr. If you include recent gauntlets(or w/e it was named) it gets even worse. Tell me, where have all the Terrans gone?
Funny when it comes to player's strength like, say, Serral, winning WCS doesnt mean jackshit for you and all the other terran fans, but when it comes to balance, it trumps GSL in an instant.
Btw, if we're at WCS, both EU and NA had terran 3rd place, which compared to the relative strength of the players would be considered an over-performance.
But ok, Terran hasnt been in a WCS finals for ages. Fair enough. Coincidently Zerg hasnt been in a GSL finals for i dont know, like 6-7 seasons in a row. Please throw a tantrum about that, if you're just concerned with balance and trends. Oh, no, that's fine, that s explainable and natural, and it's Maru, and it s the format and it s all the other things. That's fine.
Uhm, not enough smileys I guess.
Don't get me into "Serral doesn't mean jackshit", I said multiple times he's top4 and probably best zerg during his 2018.
All I wanted was to show that you cannot use WESG as it's simply bad example. Also multiple times in history I used "you cannot use finals as a representation", if you want to use it and nit pick, then you're in a lot of troubles as across all the LotV finals the Terran is the most underrepresented race, the more deep in LotV we are the worse it is. (and if you remove statistical weirdos like Maru & Serral you're in serious deep shit as Maru has huge representation in Terran finals while we can safely ignore Serral)
Edit> And it's certainly just a coincidence that the Terrans are most representative in finals of the only preparational tournaments we have(and had)
On April 09 2019 18:27 Harris1st wrote: This is gonna be hell of a task. Blizzard would need to somehow make Terran easier to play. If they do a flatout buff, Maru will be unstoppable.
That's the issue, I see this as a design flaw that was made significant with LotV changes. And how they gonna fix this with the usual buffs/nerfs, oh boy. I'm not envy them the task.
To the balance discussion - IEM - 1 terran in RO12, 0T in RO8, GSL ST - 2 Terrans in RO16.
No offense to anyone, but if you think that this is fine because Maru is doing fine in GSL and because of WESG where both Terrans had only 2 realistic opponents(Dark, Serral), then I don't know what to tell ya. Oh, now I know. If you gonna use WESG, I'm gonna use WCS in how bad shape Terran is! Oooh, genious!
The last time we saw such numbers it was during the blink era and it was very easy to spot(maps, balance, MSC vision), now it appears as more of a design issue and I am very interested on how this gonna be solved by Blizzard(if ...)
I think balance discussions should focus on GSL. It's the highest level of play, in the most rigorous competition, without jet lagged players. And in GSL Terrans are doing just fine.
IEM was some crappy play from Terrans (Maru for one, Innovation for another). I really don't care about WCS EU or AM. The curious thing is that Terrans seem to always do poorly in Super Tournament for some reason. WESG is another meh tournament too - not a single top Korean Protoss.
And no, this is nothing like the Blink Era. Three Terrans made it into GSL RO32 when that was going on...vs nine in this season. No need for the hyperbole.
Why is it up to Blizzard to 'solve' this perceived imbalance? What happened to Terrans actually trying to change what they do? Terrans are the first use the words 'broken' or 'unplayable' to describe a matchup all too readily.
Maybe it's a lack of community leadership - if Nathanias and Demuslim are your least whiny streamers, maybe you're in trouble. I'm not seeing the innovative and creative leadership that we are lucky to have in some parts of the Protoss community (at least comparatively). The whining just creates a loop of learned helplessness that keeps you from innovating.
To the balance discussion - IEM - 1 terran in RO12, 0T in RO8, GSL ST - 2 Terrans in RO16.
No offense to anyone, but if you think that this is fine because Maru is doing fine in GSL and because of WESG where both Terrans had only 2 realistic opponents(Dark, Serral), then I don't know what to tell ya. Oh, now I know. If you gonna use WESG, I'm gonna use WCS in how bad shape Terran is! Oooh, genious!
The last time we saw such numbers it was during the blink era and it was very easy to spot(maps, balance, MSC vision), now it appears as more of a design issue and I am very interested on how this gonna be solved by Blizzard(if ...)
I think balance discussions should focus on GSL. It's the highest level of play, in the most rigorous competition, without jet lagged players. And in GSL Terrans are doing just fine.
IEM was some crappy play from Terrans (Maru for one, Innovation for another). I really don't care about WCS EU or AM. The curious thing is that Terrans seem to always do poorly in Super Tournament for some reason. WESG is another meh tournament too - not a single top Korean Protoss.
And no, this is nothing like the Blink Era. Three Terrans made it into GSL RO32 when that was going on...vs nine in this season. No need for the hyperbole.
Why is it up to Blizzard to 'solve' this perceived imbalance? What happened to Terrans actually trying to change what they do? Terrans are the first use the words 'broken' or 'unplayable' to describe a matchup all too readily.
Maybe it's a lack of community leadership - if Nathanias and Demuslim are your least whiny streamers, maybe you're in trouble. I'm not seeing the innovative and creative leadership that we are lucky to have in some parts of the Protoss community (at least comparatively). The whining just creates a loop of learned helplessness that keeps you from innovating.
Out of 3 tournaments with the highest skill available we have 2 without proper Terran representation and you say everything is fine because of Code S.
FIne. Then let's change every tournament to Code S format so it's fine everywhere, how about that?
Edit> I'm not a Terran player myself, I play ZErg/Protoss
Edit 2> Blaming Nate and Demuslims is low blow, I am surprised you didn;t take Avilo out of the hat.
On April 09 2019 16:49 Harris1st wrote: In GSL, everytime Maru gets to Ghosts, Protoss is dead. So much so that I almost considered making a statement with increasing the range of Feedback.
Now I haven't seen any of these qualifier games, but there surely have to be some macro games among them. It seems like, other Terrans underestimate the game changing capabilities ONE EMP can have
IMO it's more about that Raven and turning off high impact units like Colossus/Immortal.
To the balance discussion - IEM - 1 terran in RO12, 0T in RO8, GSL ST - 2 Terrans in RO16.
No offense to anyone, but if you think that this is fine because Maru is doing fine in GSL and because of WESG where both Terrans had only 2 realistic opponents(Dark, Serral), then I don't know what to tell ya. Oh, now I know. If you gonna use WESG, I'm gonna use WCS in how bad shape Terran is! Oooh, genious!
The last time we saw such numbers it was during the blink era and it was very easy to spot(maps, balance, MSC vision), now it appears as more of a design issue and I am very interested on how this gonna be solved by Blizzard(if ...)
I see, Terrans winning tournaments or placing top 3 doesnt matter, because there are other tournaments that they dont win or place top 3. Your logic is flawless.
The efficiency of terran whiners is just next level, there's a qualifiers which most people couldnt even watch, terrans end up having just 2 spots, and suddenly it's the end of the world. For all we know Terran will win the supertournament after this.
I'm indifferent in regards to TvP, it's a bad mu, i dont watch it a lot, so by all means, shake it up. I just enjoy the terran tears too much.
Terran not terrans. As in Maru. Because Inno winning at WESG last month was the only premier tournament won by a terran not named Maru since August of 2017.
On April 09 2019 18:01 Agh wrote: If a race is clearly better or broken then play it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Otherwise, shut up and git gud.
That would be quite stupid since there are regular patches and stuff that might change the balance, so the time you waste learning properly another race can mean this race is now the UP one. I don't imagine how depressing it is to be INno or TY and lose to the like of 2019 PartinG or Hurricane though
To the balance discussion - IEM - 1 terran in RO12, 0T in RO8, GSL ST - 2 Terrans in RO16.
No offense to anyone, but if you think that this is fine because Maru is doing fine in GSL and because of WESG where both Terrans had only 2 realistic opponents(Dark, Serral), then I don't know what to tell ya. Oh, now I know. If you gonna use WESG, I'm gonna use WCS in how bad shape Terran is! Oooh, genious!
The last time we saw such numbers it was during the blink era and it was very easy to spot(maps, balance, MSC vision), now it appears as more of a design issue and I am very interested on how this gonna be solved by Blizzard(if ...)
And no, this is nothing like the Blink Era. Three Terrans made it into GSL RO32 when that was going on...vs nine in this season. No need for the hyperbole.
You realize that back then there were a lot of players, so getting to code S ro32 was difficult, whereas right now there are barely enough good koreans left to make 32 players, so basically every player qualifies for this GSL no matter his race. Right?
So using GSL ro32 representation to say: "hey it's fine guys!! look, 9 terrans in code S ro32z" is naive at best.
It's better to use GSL + IEM + WESG + GSL ST + WCS (qualifiers included) if we want to have a realistic idea of what the balance / design looks like.
It seems to be more design problems rather than balance (because balance issues can be hacked with maps and stuff) but contrary to the past, it is not limited to foreign terrans anymore, so we should probably act on it.
On April 09 2019 18:27 Harris1st wrote: This is gonna be hell of a task. Blizzard would need to somehow make Terran easier to play. If they do a flatout buff, Maru will be unstoppable.
That's the issue, I see this as a design flaw that was made significant with LotV changes. And how they gonna fix this with the usual buffs/nerfs, oh boy. I'm not envy them the task.
On April 09 2019 16:49 Harris1st wrote: In GSL, everytime Maru gets to Ghosts, Protoss is dead. So much so that I almost considered making a statement with increasing the range of Feedback.
Now I haven't seen any of these qualifier games, but there surely have to be some macro games among them. It seems like, other Terrans underestimate the game changing capabilities ONE EMP can have
IMO it's more about that Raven and turning off high impact units like Colossus/Immortal.
To the balance discussion - IEM - 1 terran in RO12, 0T in RO8, GSL ST - 2 Terrans in RO16.
No offense to anyone, but if you think that this is fine because Maru is doing fine in GSL and because of WESG where both Terrans had only 2 realistic opponents(Dark, Serral), then I don't know what to tell ya. Oh, now I know. If you gonna use WESG, I'm gonna use WCS in how bad shape Terran is! Oooh, genious!
The last time we saw such numbers it was during the blink era and it was very easy to spot(maps, balance, MSC vision), now it appears as more of a design issue and I am very interested on how this gonna be solved by Blizzard(if ...)
I see, Terrans winning tournaments or placing top 3 doesnt matter, because there are other tournaments that they dont win or place top 3. Your logic is flawless.
The efficiency of terran whiners is just next level, there's a qualifiers which most people couldnt even watch, terrans end up having just 2 spots, and suddenly it's the end of the world. For all we know Terran will win the supertournament after this.
I'm indifferent in regards to TvP, it's a bad mu, i dont watch it a lot, so by all means, shake it up. I just enjoy the terran tears too much.
Terran not terrans. As in Maru. Because Inno winning at WESG last month was the only premier tournament won by a terran not named Maru since August of 2017.
That's true and all, but Inno did win, and it is the most recent Premier event title. Won by a terran not named Maru. The next one gonna be GSL S1, which is gonna be won by Maru or Classic, with Maru being heavily favored by most (me at the least).
So how can you justify the current state of the game being imbalanced against terran, with pointing out how in the period between september 2017 - february 2019 Terrans not named Maru didnt win anything? There have been several patches since, the game and the meta is completely different from 1+ year ago.
Ok, i get, the Supertournament already looks bad for Terrans, 2 out of 16. But cant we at least wait with the terran-whine until (and if) they finally manage to not win the tournament?
You guys really dont understand the game do you? As TvP goes, Maru is an anomaly. The matchup is clearly broken since the last big revamp, but Maru found a way how to win. The problem with this is that:
a) Not everyone can do it. The way how maru approaches TvP requires insane mechanics, aggressive macro and multitasking. TY when on form can match this style, but other players cant b) Its boring and dull. The basis of the style is, lets throw weird shi...t at the toss to disrupt his eco to the point when he cant counter attack, and cannot get economically too ahead. Then kill him in the mid-game with a super-aggressive push where Terran is at its strongest. c) If b does not work, Terran automatically comes into the late game with a disadvantage, and therefore is screwed unless the protoss makes several big mistakes (like in Maru vs Neeb. Neeb had abysmal control and not very good positioning in the late game fights so Maru won. If he played that against a better protoos, there is just no way...)
The matchup is just effd up. Boring for the viewers, annoying for the players and only 1 terran can consistently find a way to be successful in it. If this does not indicate that a big revamp is required then I dont know what does. Tell you what the Blink era and HOTS Collossus era were a treat compared to this. I still remember Polts hidden bio pushes or Marus no vikings Collosi snipes with MARUders. That was at least fun to watch, right?
On April 09 2019 20:48 MarianoSC2 wrote: You guys really dont understand the game do you? As TvP goes, Maru is an anomaly. The matchup is clearly broken since the last big revamp, but Maru found a way how to win. The problem with this is that:
a) Not everyone can do it. The way how maru approaches TvP requires insane mechanics, aggressive macro and multitasking. TY when on form can match this style, but other players cant b) Its boring and dull. The basis of the style is, lets throw weird shi...t at the toss to disrupt his eco to the point when he cant counter attack, and cannot get economically too ahead. Then kill him in the mid-game with a super-aggressive push where Terran is at its strongest. c) If b does not work, Terran automatically comes into the late game with a disadvantage, and therefore is screwed unless the protoss makes several big mistakes (like in Maru vs Neeb. Neeb had abysmal control and not very good positioning in the late game fights so Maru won. If he played that against a better protoos, there is just no way...)
The matchup is just effd up. Boring for the viewers, annoying for the players and only 1 terran can consistently find a way to be successful in it. If this does not indicate that a big revamp is required then I dont know what does. Tell you what the Blink era and HOTS Collossus era were a treat compared to this. I still remember Polts hidden bio pushes or Marus no vikings Collosi snipes with MARUders. That was at least fun to watch, right?
I mean, I thought that Maru V. Neeb on Yero Zero in WESG was a pretty fantastic game, definitely not as boring as you’re making it out to be.
Can’t even fathom how intense a late game match like that would be to play...
On April 09 2019 20:48 MarianoSC2 wrote: You guys really dont understand the game do you? As TvP goes, Maru is an anomaly. The matchup is clearly broken since the last big revamp, but Maru found a way how to win. The problem with this is that:
a) Not everyone can do it. The way how maru approaches TvP requires insane mechanics, aggressive macro and multitasking. TY when on form can match this style, but other players cant b) Its boring and dull. The basis of the style is, lets throw weird shi...t at the toss to disrupt his eco to the point when he cant counter attack, and cannot get economically too ahead. Then kill him in the mid-game with a super-aggressive push where Terran is at its strongest. c) If b does not work, Terran automatically comes into the late game with a disadvantage, and therefore is screwed unless the protoss makes several big mistakes (like in Maru vs Neeb. Neeb had abysmal control and not very good positioning in the late game fights so Maru won. If he played that against a better protoos, there is just no way...)
The matchup is just effd up. Boring for the viewers, annoying for the players and only 1 terran can consistently find a way to be successful in it. If this does not indicate that a big revamp is required then I dont know what does. Tell you what the Blink era and HOTS Collossus era were a treat compared to this. I still remember Polts hidden bio pushes or Marus no vikings Collosi snipes with MARUders. That was at least fun to watch, right?
I mean, I thought that Maru V. Neeb on Yero Zero in WESG was a pretty fantastic game, definitely not as boring as you’re making it out to be.
Can’t even fathom how intense a late game match like that would be to play...
Artosis and NoRegret did a really long breakdown of that game, definitely worth a watch, VoDs are up think it’s the first episode of his new series.
On April 09 2019 20:48 MarianoSC2 wrote: You guys really dont understand the game do you? As TvP goes, Maru is an anomaly. The matchup is clearly broken since the last big revamp, but Maru found a way how to win. The problem with this is that:
a) Not everyone can do it. The way how maru approaches TvP requires insane mechanics, aggressive macro and multitasking. TY when on form can match this style, but other players cant b) Its boring and dull. The basis of the style is, lets throw weird shi...t at the toss to disrupt his eco to the point when he cant counter attack, and cannot get economically too ahead. Then kill him in the mid-game with a super-aggressive push where Terran is at its strongest. c) If b does not work, Terran automatically comes into the late game with a disadvantage, and therefore is screwed unless the protoss makes several big mistakes (like in Maru vs Neeb. Neeb had abysmal control and not very good positioning in the late game fights so Maru won. If he played that against a better protoos, there is just no way...)
The matchup is just effd up. Boring for the viewers, annoying for the players and only 1 terran can consistently find a way to be successful in it. If this does not indicate that a big revamp is required then I dont know what does. Tell you what the Blink era and HOTS Collossus era were a treat compared to this. I still remember Polts hidden bio pushes or Marus no vikings Collosi snipes with MARUders. That was at least fun to watch, right?
I mean, I thought that Maru V. Neeb on Yero Zero in WESG was a pretty fantastic game, definitely not as boring as you’re making it out to be.
Can’t even fathom how intense a late game match like that would be to play...
And how often do we get games like that? 1 in a 100? Maybe not even...
EPT
