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Super Tournament 1 qualifiers conclude, begins April 18

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-11 06:50:05
April 08 2019 21:05 GMT
#1
2019 GSL Super Tournament #1

The qualifiers for the first GSL Super Tournament of 2019 concluded with fourteen players earning spots alongside Maru and Classic, who have been seeded as the current Code S finalists. The single-elimination Super Tournament will be held between April 18-21, with ₩10,000,000 KRW and 1,500 WCS Korea points going to the champion.

Update: Bracket has been released

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Jatlantis1
Profile Joined January 2019
Australia11 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-08 21:23:25
April 08 2019 21:23 GMT
#2
Innovation getting knocked out by sOs and PartinG? damn! TY getting knocked out by Hurricane twice after killing Bunny? The terran narrative...

Anyway keen as for this.
Kimb3r
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany744 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-08 21:30:21
April 08 2019 21:29 GMT
#3
Where can I see the brackets of the qualifier?
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-08 21:37:00
April 08 2019 21:31 GMT
#4
Getting some blink era flashbacks here

Actually, I just double checked and the 2014 GSL Season 1 Ro16 had exactly the same 9P/2T/5Z race distribution.
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Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-08 21:32:59
April 08 2019 21:32 GMT
#5
Feels like it's becoming more and more clear that terran is underpowered tbh. Just because Maru is doing well doesn't mean terran is doing fine, especially since Maru seems to thrive whenever terran is weak.
Sajaki
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1135 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-08 21:35:12
April 08 2019 21:34 GMT
#6
On April 09 2019 06:29 Kimb3r wrote:
Where can I see the brackets of the qualifier?


View page on Liquipedia (directly under the graphic above) -> Qualifier tab -> Results at the bottom
Inno pls...
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
April 08 2019 21:44 GMT
#7
On April 09 2019 06:32 Anc13nt wrote:
Feels like it's becoming more and more clear that terran is underpowered tbh. Just because Maru is doing well doesn't mean terran is doing fine, especially since Maru seems to thrive whenever terran is weak.


I was gonna post something to this effect on one of the other recent tournament threads—Maru does good because Maru is a tried & true beast, whose only weakness may be that he needs slightly more prep time than some of his fellow players.
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SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2274 Posts
April 08 2019 21:44 GMT
#8
Gonna be in SK for this event. Lifelong dream fulfilled I tell ya
Cogito, ergo Toss
xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-08 21:45:28
April 08 2019 21:44 GMT
#9
1 Terran qualified out of 14 spots. Wow. That's aweful
Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
April 08 2019 21:58 GMT
#10
Basically, play like Maru (TM).
the caz dog
Profile Joined April 2014
Australia17 Posts
April 08 2019 22:03 GMT
#11
On April 09 2019 06:32 Anc13nt wrote:
Feels like it's becoming more and more clear that terran is underpowered tbh. Just because Maru is doing well doesn't mean terran is doing fine, especially since Maru seems to thrive whenever terran is weak.


Never pass up on an opportunity to ask for Terran buffs, it seems.

Possible 4 in a row GSL wins not enough for you? (Where TvP is 55%, btw).

And now we are asked to exclude Maru's achievements from balance discussions as an outlier?

Imagine if Protoss or Zerg players spoke like this...but to be honest, it seems to work in influencing Blizzard....so why stop now?
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10128 Posts
April 08 2019 22:16 GMT
#12
i just read that is only 1 qualifier... omg that was brutal xD
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
April 08 2019 22:23 GMT
#13
This racial distribution does point to there being a real balance problem at the highest level. If you look at the actual brackets it looks even more grim. Somehow 12 protoss, 13 terrans and 11 zerg ended up like this.

If we disregard kas, special and Bratok (whom funnily enough were all knocked out by Z or T) the only zerg to disqualify a terran was soO that went through both Fantasy and Keen. Only one T was knocked out TvT (Bunny by TY).

On the other hand, TY knocked out by Hurricane, Dream knocked out by Trust, Innovation knocked out by Parting, Top knocked out by herO, Cure knocked out by Zest and Alive knocked out by Stats.

I mean sure the stats are padded by there being three foreigner terrans and most of protoss players being in form right now but still. In that qualifier terrans went 15-35 in TvP, that is worrying.


On April 09 2019 06:44 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Gonna be in SK for this event. Lifelong dream fulfilled I tell ya

So happy for you, and quite a bit jealous =D

Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
StabiloBoss20
Profile Joined July 2015
313 Posts
April 08 2019 22:24 GMT
#14
good for Maru since TvT is his worst match up by far right now...

will this be the first time he shines at a weekender?
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
April 08 2019 22:28 GMT
#15
Whoah, did not know Top was still around.
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Miralem Ibrahim
Profile Joined April 2019
40 Posts
April 08 2019 22:28 GMT
#16
Play like Maru or go home
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
April 08 2019 22:31 GMT
#17
On April 09 2019 07:03 the caz dog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2019 06:32 Anc13nt wrote:
Feels like it's becoming more and more clear that terran is underpowered tbh. Just because Maru is doing well doesn't mean terran is doing fine, especially since Maru seems to thrive whenever terran is weak.


Never pass up on an opportunity to ask for Terran buffs, it seems.

Possible 4 in a row GSL wins not enough for you? (Where TvP is 55%, btw).

And now we are asked to exclude Maru's achievements from balance discussions as an outlier?

Imagine if Protoss or Zerg players spoke like this...but to be honest, it seems to work in influencing Blizzard....so why stop now?

You seem to believe that the argument that T is underpowered is disproved by the fact that one terran player won several tournaments last year?

Just because a terran player wins that doesn't mean the game is balanced, imagine if theoretically Maru would be the only player in GSL RO 16, would you still be able to make the same argument?

I think not, the race the champion plays can actually be UP, that is in no way contradiction.

Just for the sake of the discussion I will add that Innovation (whom actually won a championship this year) won it through playing only one single protoss player during the whole tournament, that was Rail.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1208 Posts
April 08 2019 22:34 GMT
#18
On April 09 2019 07:23 Shuffleblade wrote:
This racial distribution does point to there being a real balance problem at the highest level. If you look at the actual brackets it looks even more grim. Somehow 12 protoss, 13 terrans and 11 zerg ended up like this.

If we disregard kas, special and Bratok (whom funnily enough were all knocked out by Z or T) the only zerg to disqualify a terran was soO that went through both Fantasy and Keen. Only one T was knocked out TvT (Bunny by TY).

On the other hand, TY knocked out by Hurricane, Dream knocked out by Trust, Innovation knocked out by Parting, Top knocked out by herO, Cure knocked out by Zest and Alive knocked out by Stats.

I mean sure the stats are padded by there being three foreigner terrans and most of protoss players being in form right now but still. In that qualifier terrans went 15-35 in TvP, that is worrying.


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On April 09 2019 06:44 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Gonna be in SK for this event. Lifelong dream fulfilled I tell ya

So happy for you, and quite a bit jealous =D


Now, I realize that there are always explanations for individual matches, and and overall race score can be indicative of certain balance problems, but here's the thing.

Of those matchups you mentioned, the only real upsets are TY and Innovation. And in a bo3, even in multiple bo3, there's so many different issues that can occur, such as the player's form from day to day, the other player's form, the specific preparation, and so on and so forth.

Again, none of this proves that there isn't an imbalance, but pointing out specific match results doesn't necessarily prove imbalance either.
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
April 08 2019 22:45 GMT
#19
On April 09 2019 07:34 FrkFrJss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2019 07:23 Shuffleblade wrote:
This racial distribution does point to there being a real balance problem at the highest level. If you look at the actual brackets it looks even more grim. Somehow 12 protoss, 13 terrans and 11 zerg ended up like this.

If we disregard kas, special and Bratok (whom funnily enough were all knocked out by Z or T) the only zerg to disqualify a terran was soO that went through both Fantasy and Keen. Only one T was knocked out TvT (Bunny by TY).

On the other hand, TY knocked out by Hurricane, Dream knocked out by Trust, Innovation knocked out by Parting, Top knocked out by herO, Cure knocked out by Zest and Alive knocked out by Stats.

I mean sure the stats are padded by there being three foreigner terrans and most of protoss players being in form right now but still. In that qualifier terrans went 15-35 in TvP, that is worrying.


On April 09 2019 06:44 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Gonna be in SK for this event. Lifelong dream fulfilled I tell ya

So happy for you, and quite a bit jealous =D


Now, I realize that there are always explanations for individual matches, and and overall race score can be indicative of certain balance problems, but here's the thing.

Of those matchups you mentioned, the only real upsets are TY and Innovation. And in a bo3, even in multiple bo3, there's so many different issues that can occur, such as the player's form from day to day, the other player's form, the specific preparation, and so on and so forth.

Again, none of this proves that there isn't an imbalance, but pointing out specific match results doesn't necessarily prove imbalance either.

Yeah I agree with you, I was just curious and looked into it. It obviously doesn't prove anything, however its not like I'm looking at this tournament in a vacuum,

Look at IEM and WESG racial distribution and there's the reason I even bring it up here, because its not the first time. I'm starting to see a pattern here.

On a sidenote kinda funny to see Dear get wrecked by Maru and then come into this qualifier smashing Fantasy and Keen 4-0. Dear definitely hasn't lost his mojo =P
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
April 08 2019 22:55 GMT
#20
On April 09 2019 07:03 the caz dog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2019 06:32 Anc13nt wrote:
Feels like it's becoming more and more clear that terran is underpowered tbh. Just because Maru is doing well doesn't mean terran is doing fine, especially since Maru seems to thrive whenever terran is weak.


Never pass up on an opportunity to ask for Terran buffs, it seems.

Possible 4 in a row GSL wins not enough for you? (Where TvP is 55%, btw).

And now we are asked to exclude Maru's achievements from balance discussions as an outlier?

Imagine if Protoss or Zerg players spoke like this...but to be honest, it seems to work in influencing Blizzard....so why stop now?


Terran has won the last 5 GSL's in a row actually. Gunning for 6.
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