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On March 14 2019 11:57 jy_9876543210 wrote:
Macsed's response:
"说下当时情况吧，第一盘打完我觉得这个人很菜，当然所有人都和我这么说，我也觉得他很菜，然后第二盘才会选择一个低保rush因为我觉得只要过去把他门口的兵营打了就能赢，但是我过去看到他家里有个兵营没开气我以为他要开2矿，我就封了他得气，一旦封了他拿什么打我低保？可我万万没想到他这个战术是rail教他的，因为在职业内战里面这种战术是不成立的，所以我就没多想。打完这场比赛rail跑过来疯狂炫耀说是我教的，因为他知道我会觉得他是菜鸟肯定会想快点结束，然后就家里一个兵营外面3个兵营来骗我。果真我被骗到了，当时被骗到了乱导致各种失误，但是我认为就算不失误这一盘我也赢不了，因为我家里已经挡不住了，他只要在外面开个基地农民传出来也是随便赢。哎都怪我，太丢人了"
My translation:
"The situation was, after the first map I thought this guy is weak, of course that's also what everyone's been telling me, and I felt the same. So on the second map I decided to cannon rush since I thought I could win by destroying the gateway in his base, but when I saw his base, there's a gateway but no gas, so I thought he's gonna expand, and I blocked his gas, so he can't stop my cannon rush. But what I didn't know was that it's rail who taught him this strategy, because he knew that I would try to finish this game quickly since I thought my opponent is weak, and he tricked me by one gateway in main base and 3 proxies outside. That totally got me, and resulted in a lot of mistakes from me. But I think even if I didn't make those mistakes, I still wouldn't win that map, since I couldn't defend my base, he could just make another base and recall the probes. It's my fault, this is an embarrassing game." |
On March 17 2019 11:02 ChinClassic wrote:
It is worth noticing that Chinese SC players have a long history of match-fixing. Domestically, Chinese players such as Punk, Coffee, Silky, Jin, Park, and BreakingGG have been temporarily or permanently banned for match-fixing in Chinese domestic SC league. Internationally, Cyan and Jieshi were banned from WCS for match-fixing for winter 2019.
this was a point i was hoping wouldn't come up in this thread and one of the reasons i'd hope this thread would be closed by now. i am afraid this will devolve into 'should we trust any chinese x' rather than 'macsed did some questionable stuff'
no one's opinion is going to change until we get more information or see the results from the (supposedly) impending investigation but let's be honest-- we have a chinese player that would be investigated and would only hurt chinese esports and they might think they're insular and independent enough to not care what non-chinese organizers think. that's why this needs to be solved/nipped in the bud now
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On March 17 2019 13:09 mierin wrote:
Associating "chin" with classic is like peanut butter being associated with jelly (even in the English speaking community)...might want to chill with the "but no ur racist!" avenue there.
You misinterpret the target of my critique. "Chin" as a joke nickname to describe the player "Classic" is fun for me... I'm not that sensitive.
The point I highlight here is that this user "ChinClassic" is in fact someone from China (since this nickname is used most often within the Chinese SC2 circle). And here he is intentionally seeking to lead the discussion toward a racist attack on Chinese players in general. I just want to point out his vicious intention here. Can't understand why someone just be so eager to show his own "reverse racism".
I disagree with many people's rush to conclusion, but so far, this thread has not been disturbed too much by racist attacks, which again, is why TL is better than Reddit.
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Nevermind (mod can remove this post)
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Chinese fans still seclude the China Starcraft2 community from the outside world.
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I will just respond to you since you have put more effort in your post than the other people doubting Macsed throwing the game and at least offered some arguments against his involvement in match fixing.
On March 15 2019 16:50 Pilot912 wrote:
(1) how difficult it is for money flow-in and flow-out China,
Why do you assume that if this was a fixed match, the money Macsed would get would come from a foreign account?
It's not like the most likely scenario is that Macsed would have bet on himself dropping a map on pinnacle. If somebody convinced him to drop a map, he could be paid in a whole lot of ways ranging from unsuspicious to plain untracable. He could be paid from a Chinese account. He could be paid with any of the cryptocurrencies circulating online. He could just be shipped a "present", say a new PC or whatever, from amazon, aliexpress, dx or whatever Chinese equivalents there are. Or he could just be paid in cash.
By the way, as others in the thread have already pointed out, it is not particularly likely that betting on pinnacle was the original idea anyway. He may have been told that the bets would be on some barely known underground betting sites or maybe even offline bets, which would not have been unknown to the sc2 fans and not have sparked any discussions. The pinnacle bets may have only happened because some idiot somewhere happened to get the knowledge of Macsed intending to throw a game and decided to earn some money by betting there.
(2) such loss would be read by Chinese SC2 fans as an absolute joke and led to long-term online harassment,
First of all, would it really be as bad as you make it out to be? He dropped a map, but he still won the series. Odds are that this would blow over sooner or later. It has been a couple of days already, is Macsed being a total noob for dropping a game against Seventy the hot topic on Chinese sc2 sites?
And then, would he really care if a bunch of sc2 fans are mocking him? Maybe, he cares more about whatever money he would get from match fixing? Never mind that he has effectively moved on from sc2 into other games (as you said), so does he really care about sc2 fans' opinions?
(3) This brings my third point: for people following SCBoy's streaming, MacSed had played with them for AutoChess and CS:Go for the last month, and earlier, he also thought to switch to be a streamer of Fortnite. His main income comes from streaming various games (not only SC2) and being part of the management team of the youth team sponsored by SCBoy. He is semi-retired...... So, if you are going to pay him to match-fix with Seventy91, considering that would put his real income at risk,.......
People do stupid things all the time. Just staying on the topic of "risking his real income" in the context of starcraft, let's remember that Life was banned for match-fixing, while he was on the top of his game and at an age that would have allowed him to stay competetive for years to come. Saviour was involved in match-fixing despite being a legend in the broodwar scene. A bunch of other starcraft players were also involved in match-fixing while being on a pro-gamer salary. Just because match-fixing may be risky or stupid, does not mean that people would not still do it.
To conclude, let's wait for the official investigation result. But again, what shocked me is how so many people jumped to conclusion so quickly, and just don't care about destroying MacSed's reputation.
What kind of an investigation do you expect? Who would be interested in investigating him? The tournament organizers that would be shooting themselves in the foot with bad publicity? The police? They probably have way better things to do than waste time on some nerd that may or may not have received some irrelevant amount of money for throwing a match in some obscure pc game. Never mind that unless he has been a total moron, he would have received the money in a safe manner like cash, so you can forget about any money trail anyway. Unless some transcripts of him bragging about earning easy money by throwing show up, it is unlikely that you will see any official entity in sc2 mention the incident again.
Personally, I could not care less about Macsed throwing. I could not care less if he is banned or disgraced or whatever due to the incident (I may have had a different opinion if I had lost money because of him). It was a single game in an irrelevant series. I'd be inclined to say that people should not suffer too harsh of consequences for something that I consider a minor transgression and I'd be fine with him just moving on to other games and streaming.
However, this does not change the fact that everything is pointing to him throwing the game intentionally. "Pointing" is actually an extreme understatement in my opinion. Losing in this manner to a player that has 2k+ less MMR is absurd. The way the game played out is absurd. It is also absurd in the context of how the other two games unfolded. Never mind that anyone putting any money on Macsed dropping a game to a casual player he is expected to wipe the floor with is absurd, especially when the starting betting odds are already mathematically atrocious to begin with, and especially when that somebody bet enough to move the betting line in a manner that suggests Macsed being expected to drop a map to Seventy more than 50% of the time in a bo3.
My proposal, if MacSed turned out to be innocent, these witch-hunters should make apology and compensation to MacSed, as well as being banned from TL for life.
It is unlikely that any official entity is going to be investigating Macsed anyway. It is also unlikely that he was stupid enough to leave a money trail or any records of him agreeing to throw. Furthermore it is extremely unlikely that he did not throw that game. Assuming there is an infinite number of parallel universes, there may be one where Macsed did not throw that game, but I doubt it is ours. It is probably the one where pigs fly and Satan ice-skates to work.
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Disgusting behaviour if true which it seems likely.
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In 2019, especially in China, in the likely scenario that MacSed was promised payment for the matchfixing (he could have been threatened, too, potentially), that payment will or would have been paid cash OR in crypto currencies, leaving no trace.
I would be shocked if there was a money trail at all, especially since the community spotted the fishy game right away, probably before he ever got paid. There is so many untraceable way to receive money.
I believe there is enough evidence to ban him from the scene, personally. The weird betting line + the super fishy game happening at the same time leaves no reasonable doubt in my mind. Not enough evidence to be prosecuted by justice since what he did is illegal (and I am guessing punished quite harshly in China), tho.
But, nothing will happen. He won't be ban. Therefore, I seriously hope he is innocent or was forced. If he is guilty, he must feel quite guilty and scared right now and will probably never try something like that again. At least there is that.
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On March 17 2019 12:48 Pilot912 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2019 11:02 ChinClassic wrote:
It is worth noticing that Chinese SC players have a long history of match-fixing. Domestically, Chinese players such as Punk, Coffee, Silky, Jin, Park, and BreakingGG have been temporarily or permanently banned for match-fixing in Chinese domestic SC league. Internationally, Cyan and Jieshi were banned from WCS for match-fixing for winter 2019. Yes, along with a long list of Korean players, as well as Special, who got banned for three month because of doing similar things like Cyan and Jieshi. Shall we start to clean the SC2 scene by banning all Korean players, since they have the most match-fixers? You are being racist here. Also, the more interesting thing is that you are being racist against your own race. The nickname "chin" associated with Classic is something used most often within the Chinese SC2 community. Next time when you came up a cover-up account, pick something more covert.
Well considering the fact that the Chinese SC2 community constantly engages with online harassing and racist comments on white SC players/netizens, I switch to TL for a more open and inclusive online environment for discussion. Besides, I am simply laying out some facts regarding the amount of match-fixing that took place in China. I am not sure why that in any way is to be racist as MacSed, up to my knowledge, is a Chinese player.
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On March 17 2019 16:08 ChinClassic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2019 12:48 Pilot912 wrote:On March 17 2019 11:02 ChinClassic wrote:
It is worth noticing that Chinese SC players have a long history of match-fixing. Domestically, Chinese players such as Punk, Coffee, Silky, Jin, Park, and BreakingGG have been temporarily or permanently banned for match-fixing in Chinese domestic SC league. Internationally, Cyan and Jieshi were banned from WCS for match-fixing for winter 2019. Yes, along with a long list of Korean players, as well as Special, who got banned for three month because of doing similar things like Cyan and Jieshi. Shall we start to clean the SC2 scene by banning all Korean players, since they have the most match-fixers? You are being racist here. Also, the more interesting thing is that you are being racist against your own race. The nickname "chin" associated with Classic is something used most often within the Chinese SC2 community. Next time when you came up a cover-up account, pick something more covert. Well considering the fact that the Chinese SC2 community constantly engages with online harassing and racist comments on white SC players/netizens, I switch to TL for a more open and inclusive online environment for discussion. Besides, I am simply laying out some facts regarding the amount of match-fixing that took place in China. I am not sure why that in any way is to be racist as MacSed, up to my knowledge, is a Chinese player.
i am confused
online harassing and racist comments on white SC players/netizens？？？WTF？？？amount of match-fixing that took place in China？？？ OMG
(⊙o⊙)
i know your account , i remember that you were baned several times by admin of chinese forum because of smearing and Insulting others.
yes , it is, your account '经典chin' is still baned.
well, heard that you swich to a new home, congrats.
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On March 17 2019 18:04 Mountain_Lee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2019 16:08 ChinClassic wrote:On March 17 2019 12:48 Pilot912 wrote:On March 17 2019 11:02 ChinClassic wrote:
It is worth noticing that Chinese SC players have a long history of match-fixing. Domestically, Chinese players such as Punk, Coffee, Silky, Jin, Park, and BreakingGG have been temporarily or permanently banned for match-fixing in Chinese domestic SC league. Internationally, Cyan and Jieshi were banned from WCS for match-fixing for winter 2019. Yes, along with a long list of Korean players, as well as Special, who got banned for three month because of doing similar things like Cyan and Jieshi. Shall we start to clean the SC2 scene by banning all Korean players, since they have the most match-fixers? You are being racist here. Also, the more interesting thing is that you are being racist against your own race. The nickname "chin" associated with Classic is something used most often within the Chinese SC2 community. Next time when you came up a cover-up account, pick something more covert. Well considering the fact that the Chinese SC2 community constantly engages with online harassing and racist comments on white SC players/netizens, I switch to TL for a more open and inclusive online environment for discussion. Besides, I am simply laying out some facts regarding the amount of match-fixing that took place in China. I am not sure why that in any way is to be racist as MacSed, up to my knowledge, is a Chinese player. i am confused online harassing and racist comments on white SC players/netizens？？？WTF？？？amount of match-fixing that took place in China？？？ OMG (⊙o⊙) i know your account , i remember that you were baned several times by admin of chinese forum because of smearing and Insulting others. yes , it is, your account '经典chin' is still baned. well, heard that you swich to a new home, congrats.
you just did the same thing you accused him of.
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On March 17 2019 18:12 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2019 18:04 Mountain_Lee wrote:On March 17 2019 16:08 ChinClassic wrote:On March 17 2019 12:48 Pilot912 wrote:On March 17 2019 11:02 ChinClassic wrote:
It is worth noticing that Chinese SC players have a long history of match-fixing. Domestically, Chinese players such as Punk, Coffee, Silky, Jin, Park, and BreakingGG have been temporarily or permanently banned for match-fixing in Chinese domestic SC league. Internationally, Cyan and Jieshi were banned from WCS for match-fixing for winter 2019. Yes, along with a long list of Korean players, as well as Special, who got banned for three month because of doing similar things like Cyan and Jieshi. Shall we start to clean the SC2 scene by banning all Korean players, since they have the most match-fixers? You are being racist here. Also, the more interesting thing is that you are being racist against your own race. The nickname "chin" associated with Classic is something used most often within the Chinese SC2 community. Next time when you came up a cover-up account, pick something more covert. Well considering the fact that the Chinese SC2 community constantly engages with online harassing and racist comments on white SC players/netizens, I switch to TL for a more open and inclusive online environment for discussion. Besides, I am simply laying out some facts regarding the amount of match-fixing that took place in China. I am not sure why that in any way is to be racist as MacSed, up to my knowledge, is a Chinese player. i am confused online harassing and racist comments on white SC players/netizens？？？WTF？？？amount of match-fixing that took place in China？？？ OMG (⊙o⊙) i know your account , i remember that you were baned several times by admin of chinese forum because of smearing and Insulting others. yes , it is, your account '经典chin' is still baned. well, heard that you swich to a new home, congrats. you just did the same thing you accused him of.
well, you can prove it by yourself
http://bbs.niuyou5.com/home.php?mod=spacecp&ac=search&username=%E7%BB%8F%E5%85%B8chin&searchsubmit=yes
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On March 17 2019 14:30 ggrrg wrote:I will just respond to you since you have put more effort in your post than the other people doubting Macsed throwing the game and at least offered some arguments against his involvement in match fixing. Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 16:50 Pilot912 wrote:
(1) how difficult it is for money flow-in and flow-out China,
Why do you assume that if this was a fixed match, the money Macsed would get would come from a foreign account? It's not like the most likely scenario is that Macsed would have bet on himself dropping a map on pinnacle. If somebody convinced him to drop a map, he could be paid in a whole lot of ways ranging from unsuspicious to plain untracable. He could be paid from a Chinese account. He could be paid with any of the cryptocurrencies circulating online. He could just be shipped a "present", say a new PC or whatever, from amazon, aliexpress, dx or whatever Chinese equivalents there are. Or he could just be paid in cash. By the way, as others in the thread have already pointed out, it is not particularly likely that betting on pinnacle was the original idea anyway. He may have been told that the bets would be on some barely known underground betting sites or maybe even offline bets, which would not have been unknown to the sc2 fans and not have sparked any discussions. The pinnacle bets may have only happened because some idiot somewhere happened to get the knowledge of Macsed intending to throw a game and decided to earn some money by betting there. Show nested quote +
(2) such loss would be read by Chinese SC2 fans as an absolute joke and led to long-term online harassment,
First of all, would it really be as bad as you make it out to be? He dropped a map, but he still won the series. Odds are that this would blow over sooner or later. It has been a couple of days already, is Macsed being a total noob for dropping a game against Seventy the hot topic on Chinese sc2 sites? And then, would he really care if a bunch of sc2 fans are mocking him? Maybe, he cares more about whatever money he would get from match fixing? Never mind that he has effectively moved on from sc2 into other games (as you said), so does he really care about sc2 fans' opinions? Show nested quote +
(3) This brings my third point: for people following SCBoy's streaming, MacSed had played with them for AutoChess and CS:Go for the last month, and earlier, he also thought to switch to be a streamer of Fortnite. His main income comes from streaming various games (not only SC2) and being part of the management team of the youth team sponsored by SCBoy. He is semi-retired...... So, if you are going to pay him to match-fix with Seventy91, considering that would put his real income at risk,.......
People do stupid things all the time. Just staying on the topic of "risking his real income" in the context of starcraft, let's remember that Life was banned for match-fixing, while he was on the top of his game and at an age that would have allowed him to stay competetive for years to come. Saviour was involved in match-fixing despite being a legend in the broodwar scene. A bunch of other starcraft players were also involved in match-fixing while being on a pro-gamer salary. Just because match-fixing may be risky or stupid, does not mean that people would not still do it. Show nested quote +
To conclude, let's wait for the official investigation result. But again, what shocked me is how so many people jumped to conclusion so quickly, and just don't care about destroying MacSed's reputation.
What kind of an investigation do you expect? Who would be interested in investigating him? The tournament organizers that would be shooting themselves in the foot with bad publicity? The police? They probably have way better things to do than waste time on some nerd that may or may not have received some irrelevant amount of money for throwing a match in some obscure pc game. Never mind that unless he has been a total moron, he would have received the money in a safe manner like cash, so you can forget about any money trail anyway. Unless some transcripts of him bragging about earning easy money by throwing show up, it is unlikely that you will see any official entity in sc2 mention the incident again. Personally, I could not care less about Macsed throwing. I could not care less if he is banned or disgraced or whatever due to the incident (I may have had a different opinion if I had lost money because of him). It was a single game in an irrelevant series. I'd be inclined to say that people should not suffer too harsh of consequences for something that I consider a minor transgression and I'd be fine with him just moving on to other games and streaming. However, this does not change the fact that everything is pointing to him throwing the game intentionally. "Pointing" is actually an extreme understatement in my opinion. Losing in this manner to a player that has 2k+ less MMR is absurd. The way the game played out is absurd. It is also absurd in the context of how the other two games unfolded. Never mind that anyone putting any money on Macsed dropping a game to a casual player he is expected to wipe the floor with is absurd, especially when the starting betting odds are already mathematically atrocious to begin with, and especially when that somebody bet enough to move the betting line in a manner that suggests Macsed being expected to drop a map to Seventy more than 50% of the time in a bo3. Show nested quote +
My proposal, if MacSed turned out to be innocent, these witch-hunters should make apology and compensation to MacSed, as well as being banned from TL for life.
It is unlikely that any official entity is going to be investigating Macsed anyway. It is also unlikely that he was stupid enough to leave a money trail or any records of him agreeing to throw. Furthermore it is extremely unlikely that he did not throw that game. Assuming there is an infinite number of parallel universes, there may be one where Macsed did not throw that game, but I doubt it is ours. It is probably the one where pigs fly and Satan ice-skates to work.
As you are actually responding to the points I'm making. I'm glad to add a few more lines.
All the arguments I made here is considering MacSed as someone with normal intelligence, who won't easily take the risk to match-fix for small amount of money, or doing so by following advice from an unknown third-party.
Considering, all of the spam emails we receive on a daily basis, do you ever open them? So, if MacSed is persuaded or threatened, either it is by a huge amount of money, or from someone he can actually trust.
I maintain the Pinnacle case since so far that is the only source we know showing odd betting lines. As I pointed out in my previous posts, if there are evidence that some Chinese underground websites showing similar patterns, the probability of him match-fixed would increase for sure, since these Chinese gamblers would engage in those cash-only trades.
So, if we only judge from the case that someone using Pinnacle approached MacSed (given it's the only place so far we know has the betting line issue), then, why a Chinese gambler did not put the bet in Chinese underground websites, but by-pass all the hustles go to Pinnacle?
So, if you allow me to paraphrase the current situation, it's like a murder case: we found the suspect's finger prints on scene, the suspect has no alibi, but there are still doubts concerning his motivation (all my previous posts are emphasizing this point).
In such scenario, he is still a suspect, we could dispute the official investigation results, but that should occur after the official investigation. And at TL, folks who rushed to the conclusion are essentially proposing we ignore "procedural justice" and simply "hang the suspect". This is where I have problem with, because procedural justice is as important as resultant justice.
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Hey, do you guys 'member that really weird ass game that Marineking played vs Byul?
The SC community, IMHO, just let this kid slide.
This will always be a 'thing' in 'E-sports'
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As a disclaimer, MarineKing was always my favorite player and I tried to find a lot of excuses for him back then. But yeah, looking back this game was baaaad (especially since iirc the betting pattern on Pinnacle was equally weird? Maybe they even voided the bets then). It doesn't really surprise me that MKP wouldn't catch a blip on his minimap (maybe he thought it was an overlord), but the absence of movement at all with his reapers and the fucking 3rd CC on top of that was really dumb. Also the fake surprise on camera when the creep was under his buildings :D.
Even with all that, I still think it's less obvious than what MacSed did here. At least it looked like MKP tried to micro out of that situation at the end, instead of rolling over dead (he likely knew that no matter what he did he wouldn't win at that point). Byul was a far better opponent than Seventy91, which made throwing the game a little easier I guess.
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The Macsed situation is much more clear that it's matchfixing than the MarineKing one. Never seen a pro flat out do so many ridiculous things to lose the game and play so poorly against a guy he'd beat 100% of the time if he wasn't trying to lose. At least MKP could argue he simply lost because he didn't notice that proxy rather than repeatedly doing the silliest things that a pro would never do like Macsed here.
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On March 18 2019 01:30 getg00d wrote:Hey, do you guys 'member that really weird ass game that Marineking played vs Byul? The SC community, IMHO, just let this kid slide. This will always be a 'thing' in 'E-sports' + Show Spoiler +
Iirc they did replay analysis and found nothing suspicious and he was investigated by the police who didn't find any proof so I still give him the benefit of a doubt.
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On March 18 2019 03:00 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2019 01:30 getg00d wrote:Hey, do you guys 'member that really weird ass game that Marineking played vs Byul? The SC community, IMHO, just let this kid slide. This will always be a 'thing' in 'E-sports' + Show Spoiler + Iirc they did replay analysis and found nothing suspicious and he was investigated by the police who didn't find any proof so I still give him the benefit of a doubt.
They found a lot of suspicious stuff, but the investigation ended in them not finding enough to prove his guilt.
Macseds game is 10x times worse for sure but MKPs game is also way too much on the nose in my opinion. He scouts with a reaper late pool (he now knows there is a hatch somewere on the map), he leaves the base and goes back, home. He also knows ling speed is far away, you get a reaper to scout. He realised what was going on and therefore knew that if he kept scouting it would get more and more suspicious if he sees Byul never taking his natural and still going 3 CC. Se he just backs up and never look for the proxy hatch, there is simply no logic reason for him to not scout with his reaper and he knows he must scout with it to win. Its not as conclusive as it is for Macsed and I understand they didn't think it enough it enough to ban him but it is very fishy.
Too bad WESG ended without them giving any clear information on where their investigation lead, I guess they didn't really investigate it.
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On March 18 2019 04:14 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2019 03:00 Charoisaur wrote:On March 18 2019 01:30 getg00d wrote:Hey, do you guys 'member that really weird ass game that Marineking played vs Byul? The SC community, IMHO, just let this kid slide. This will always be a 'thing' in 'E-sports' + Show Spoiler + Iirc they did replay analysis and found nothing suspicious and he was investigated by the police who didn't find any proof so I still give him the benefit of a doubt. They found a lot of suspicious stuff, but the investigation ended in them not finding enough to prove his guilt. Macseds game is 10x times worse for sure but MKPs game is also way too much on the nose in my opinion. He scouts with a reaper late pool (he now knows there is a hatch somewere on the map), he leaves the base and goes back, home. He also knows ling speed is far away, you get a reaper to scout. He realised what was going on and therefore knew that if he kept scouting it would get more and more suspicious if he sees Byul never taking his natural and still going 3 CC. Se he just backs up and never look for the proxy hatch, there is simply no logic reason for him to not scout with his reaper and he knows he must scout with it to win. Its not as conclusive as it is for Macsed and I understand they didn't think it enough it enough to ban him but it is very fishy. Too bad WESG ended without them giving any clear information on where their investigation lead, I guess they didn't really investigate it.
Well... didn't Macsed cast the finals? That should give us our answer right there on what their organization thought about the situation.
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On March 18 2019 04:44 phodacbiet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2019 04:14 Shuffleblade wrote:On March 18 2019 03:00 Charoisaur wrote:On March 18 2019 01:30 getg00d wrote:Hey, do you guys 'member that really weird ass game that Marineking played vs Byul? The SC community, IMHO, just let this kid slide. This will always be a 'thing' in 'E-sports' + Show Spoiler + Iirc they did replay analysis and found nothing suspicious and he was investigated by the police who didn't find any proof so I still give him the benefit of a doubt. They found a lot of suspicious stuff, but the investigation ended in them not finding enough to prove his guilt. Macseds game is 10x times worse for sure but MKPs game is also way too much on the nose in my opinion. He scouts with a reaper late pool (he now knows there is a hatch somewere on the map), he leaves the base and goes back, home. He also knows ling speed is far away, you get a reaper to scout. He realised what was going on and therefore knew that if he kept scouting it would get more and more suspicious if he sees Byul never taking his natural and still going 3 CC. Se he just backs up and never look for the proxy hatch, there is simply no logic reason for him to not scout with his reaper and he knows he must scout with it to win. Its not as conclusive as it is for Macsed and I understand they didn't think it enough it enough to ban him but it is very fishy. Too bad WESG ended without them giving any clear information on where their investigation lead, I guess they didn't really investigate it. Well... didn't Macsed cast the finals? That should give us our answer right there on what their organization thought about the situation.
Can't rely on people with vested interest to claim his innocence to look for the truth. There is not going to be any decent investigation in this case. We would need the police involved and that's not going to happen.
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On March 18 2019 04:44 phodacbiet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2019 04:14 Shuffleblade wrote:On March 18 2019 03:00 Charoisaur wrote:On March 18 2019 01:30 getg00d wrote:Hey, do you guys 'member that really weird ass game that Marineking played vs Byul? The SC community, IMHO, just let this kid slide. This will always be a 'thing' in 'E-sports' + Show Spoiler + Iirc they did replay analysis and found nothing suspicious and he was investigated by the police who didn't find any proof so I still give him the benefit of a doubt. They found a lot of suspicious stuff, but the investigation ended in them not finding enough to prove his guilt. Macseds game is 10x times worse for sure but MKPs game is also way too much on the nose in my opinion. He scouts with a reaper late pool (he now knows there is a hatch somewere on the map), he leaves the base and goes back, home. He also knows ling speed is far away, you get a reaper to scout. He realised what was going on and therefore knew that if he kept scouting it would get more and more suspicious if he sees Byul never taking his natural and still going 3 CC. Se he just backs up and never look for the proxy hatch, there is simply no logic reason for him to not scout with his reaper and he knows he must scout with it to win. Its not as conclusive as it is for Macsed and I understand they didn't think it enough it enough to ban him but it is very fishy. Too bad WESG ended without them giving any clear information on where their investigation lead, I guess they didn't really investigate it. Well... didn't Macsed cast the finals? That should give us our answer right there on what their organization thought about the situation.
Not really, if they had planned for Macsed to help with the cast its not weird that they don't shut him out before the investigation is done. That normally how it works, everything continues as normal until the investigation is done.
There has been I think two different people here in the thread from WESG that has said they are looking into it and that the WESG organization had taken offense at how lightly we regarded their investigation. It really sounded like they were going to look into it and come back with the result. Maybe they never did anything or maybe its still ongoing, no way for us to know, but it is weird that there still hasn't been any word.
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