EPTi think he means that you shouldn't gamble on corrupt gambling sites. but if you are that aware of it and can see it and hedge it then i don't think anyone would argue with success
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On March 14 2019 11:57 jy_9876543210 wrote: Macsed's response: "说下当时情况吧，第一盘打完我觉得这个人很菜，当然所有人都和我这么说，我也觉得他很菜，然后第二盘才会选择一个低保rush因为我觉得只要过去把他门口的兵营打了就能赢，但是我过去看到他家里有个兵营没开气我以为他要开2矿，我就封了他得气，一旦封了他拿什么打我低保？可我万万没想到他这个战术是rail教他的，因为在职业内战里面这种战术是不成立的，所以我就没多想。打完这场比赛rail跑过来疯狂炫耀说是我教的，因为他知道我会觉得他是菜鸟肯定会想快点结束，然后就家里一个兵营外面3个兵营来骗我。果真我被骗到了，当时被骗到了乱导致各种失误，但是我认为就算不失误这一盘我也赢不了，因为我家里已经挡不住了，他只要在外面开个基地农民传出来也是随便赢。哎都怪我，太丢人了" My translation: "The situation was, after the first map I thought this guy is weak, of course that's also what everyone's been telling me, and I felt the same. So on the second map I decided to cannon rush since I thought I could win by destroying the gateway in his base, but when I saw his base, there's a gateway but no gas, so I thought he's gonna expand, and I blocked his gas, so he can't stop my cannon rush. But what I didn't know was that it's rail who taught him this strategy, because he knew that I would try to finish this game quickly since I thought my opponent is weak, and he tricked me by one gateway in main base and 3 proxies outside. That totally got me, and resulted in a lot of mistakes from me. But I think even if I didn't make those mistakes, I still wouldn't win that map, since I couldn't defend my base, he could just make another base and recall the probes. It's my fault, this is an embarrassing game." | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
i think he means that you shouldn't gamble on corrupt gambling sites. but if you are that aware of it and can see it and hedge it then i don't think anyone would argue with success | ||
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
On March 17 2019 03:08 RLRTurkeyDano wrote: Betting thing aside, this was the worst game I have seen from any pro player in 9 years of watching sc2. The excuse he gives isn't some of problem with lag or distress. He just plays dumb. He has a build order advantage throughout the game (don't think he doesn't know that) and makes unimaginable errors consistently and repeatedly (literally the same mistakes repeated after trial and error). Now returning to the issue, he did this in a game that also happened to have an outlandish bet for him to lose a map. I wonder if we would even be talking about this, if it wasn't for Powerfoe losing his bet. There is more than enough evidence for me, I'm all for protecting players, but not when the evidence is overwhelmingly against you. People play bad games, people make mistakes, people lose to much weaker opponents, but not like this. Just because he doesn't admit it, doesn't mean hes innocent. I'm not sure there has been a more obvious incident before honestly, maybe someone can prove me wrong (game-play wise). Completely agree. Wouldn't you say he literally played at a platinum level or lower this game? Simply impossible for a pro to play like this if they aren't trying to lose. | ||
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Penev
28503 Posts
On March 17 2019 03:29 JasonOfAeson wrote: Read the thread. Literally seen multiple people making statements to this affect. Multiple people is half now, I see. Another fact learned. Also Instead of telling people to read threads I'd advice you to inform yourself about a topic first before you post. You didn't know about Macsed's opponents' very low level for instance that basically makes any volatility argument mute and you could have gotten that from the OP even. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On March 16 2019 10:47 SolaR- wrote: lol i know its subtle but i still think building the pylon when he already had like 20 free supply was the most telling. i agree. it's like a panic move that any protoss makes when they don't know what to do. but the fact is he knew exactly what to do he was just playing stupid. i think the thrown match is a forgone conclusion but i don't see the merit in continuing this discussion.. no need to convince the 10 post count posters that say he had amnesia or whatever edit: if you think the caster(s) are in on it.. then damn you are really lost | ||
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JasonOfAeson
33 Posts
On March 17 2019 03:57 Penev wrote: Multiple people is half now, I see. Another fact learned. Also Instead of telling people to read threads I'd advice you to inform yourself about a topic first before you post. You didn't know about Macsed's opponents' very low level for instance that basically makes any volatility argument mute and you could have gotten that from the OP even. Yeah. Multiple people is half when I'm referencing the people still posting in the thread actively, which is a handful. Don't be so salty, pal. I said mirror match ups were perceived as volatile and that people would make a punt on protoss v protoss over another match up. The issue appears to be your reading comprehension. It's well established throughout the thread that there was a large skill disparity. Spare me the pointless nit picking. | ||
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yht9657
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Looks to me like some "passionate fans" of the game are more passionate in gambling odds and accusing progamers based on their own objective perception than the game itself, for reasons beyond my comprehension. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On March 17 2019 04:52 yht9657 wrote: This whole incident seems to be getting more attention than the entire Chinese scene has received from this forum in the last few years. Looks to me like some "passionate fans" of the game are more passionate in gambling odds and accusing progamers based on their own objective perception than the game itself, for reasons beyond my comprehension. so you're saying it wasn't a throw | ||
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Penev
28503 Posts
On March 17 2019 04:30 JasonOfAeson wrote: Yeah. Multiple people is half when I'm referencing the people still posting in the thread actively, which is a handful. Don't be so salty, pal. I said mirror match ups were perceived as volatile and that people would make a punt on protoss v protoss over another match up. The issue appears to be your reading comprehension. It's well established throughout the thread that there was a large skill disparity. Spare me the pointless nit picking. Point is you don't understand what facts are. I must say it was funny to see you immediately follow that up with a wrongly used "literally" though. I also had a little chuckle when you accused me of "poor reading comprehension" after telling me to read the thread to find certain type of posts of which I already gave an example myself. Anyway I hope a proper investigation is being conducted and I will have peace with whatever outcome. | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
I wasn't saying anything. This very comment of yours is you interpreting others' words with your objective perception. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On March 17 2019 06:25 yht9657 wrote: I wasn't saying anything. This very comment of yours is you interpreting others' words with your objective perception. it's a simple yes/no question | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
after the game he asked "was this a gold league game i dont get it" to which i told him "believe it or not the cannon rushing protoss is a 6500mmr player, and the other is in like diamond 2/3" and he even asked how people could say something like this isnt a fixed game. He may not be, most telling for me is how dominate he was in G1/3 then completely shits the bed on G2 and plays like a first timer or something | ||
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Sorkoas
549 Posts
On March 17 2019 04:52 yht9657 wrote: This whole incident seems to be getting more attention than the entire Chinese scene has received from this forum in the last few years. Looks to me like some "passionate fans" of the game are more passionate in gambling odds and accusing progamers based on their own objective perception than the game itself, for reasons beyond my comprehension. They are almost completely disconnected from the western community due to the language barrier and are mediocre at the game so of course they would have to deliver some big news/events worthy of discussion to get our attention. | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
And why should I answer it? I do not work for either WESG or Pinnacle nor do I know anything about what actually happened to that game, unlike common Internet mob I tend not to jump to any conclusions before formal investigation is over or any concrete evidence shows up. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On March 17 2019 08:46 yht9657 wrote: And why should I answer it? I do not work for either WESG or Pinnacle nor do I know anything about what actually happened to that game, unlike common Internet mob I tend not to jump to any conclusions before formal investigation is over or any concrete evidence shows up. so you don't have an opinion either way; it is 50/50 pending investigation? would love to hear your replay analysis on g2 and g3 | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
On March 17 2019 08:50 Alejandrisha wrote: so you don't have an opinion either way; it is 50/50 pending investigation? would love to hear your replay analysis on g2 and g3 So you are saying we can accuse people of matchfixing based on their in-game performance? | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On March 17 2019 09:14 yht9657 wrote: So you are saying we can accuse people of matchfixing based on their in-game performance? yes i've choked in a streamed game before. i didn't choke the same way 3 times. i'm not insane. | ||
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
On March 17 2019 09:14 yht9657 wrote: So you are saying we can accuse people of matchfixing based on their in-game performance? Yea I'd say we can unless you think using all your workers to destroy your own CC/Hatch/Nexus when the game starts is perfectly acceptable =P | ||
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ChinClassic
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Pilot912
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On March 17 2019 11:02 ChinClassic wrote: It is worth noticing that Chinese SC players have a long history of match-fixing. Domestically, Chinese players such as Punk, Coffee, Silky, Jin, Park, and BreakingGG have been temporarily or permanently banned for match-fixing in Chinese domestic SC league. Internationally, Cyan and Jieshi were banned from WCS for match-fixing for winter 2019. Yes, along with a long list of Korean players, as well as Special, who got banned for three month because of doing similar things like Cyan and Jieshi. Shall we start to clean the SC2 scene by banning all Korean players, since they have the most match-fixers? You are being racist here. Also, the more interesting thing is that you are being racist against your own race. The nickname "chin" associated with Classic is something used most often within the Chinese SC2 community. Next time when you came up a cover-up account, pick something more covert. | ||
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mierin
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