EPTSerral wins the 2018 WCS Global Finals - Page 10
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Latr02
United States268 Posts
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machinus
United States291 Posts
Maru comes out on top for 2018. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On November 06 2018 06:23 deltahf wrote: Since when we call timing push a cheese? As you said earlier about the matches of Maru vs sOs and Stats. Do not forget that the matchups in starcraft are often like rock paper scissor. It is not like when player 1 beats player 2 and player 2 beats player 3 then player 1 > player 3. For example Maru has problems with sOs but Serral wiped the floor with sOs in the group stage. On the other hand Maru regularly dominates Neeb in matches. Is he like 4-0 in 20 minutes from the matches of GSL groups and wcs global finals? Yet Neeb is first player to end Serrals winning streak in convincing way (I get it was in an online tournament but Serral is not supposed to lose to Neeb 3:0 even in these matches). Lambo lost to Serral 2:3 in Montreal yet there was no chance in groups vs Maru for him. TY has usually problems with Neeb but TY was a huge obstacle in GSL finals season 3 for Maru and Neeb has problems with Dark. The list could go on and on. Kind of off-topic and not really trying to prove or disprove your point, but Serral lost 3-0 to Neeb right before Blizzcon when Serral had 2 protosses in his group and Neeb had 0 zergs. Serral probably didn't show much skill in those games to make sure his opponents had as little info on his current form and strategies as possible. Still, Neeb did 3-0 him and I can't really say he didn't win the games fair and square | ||
hexhaven
Finland940 Posts
On November 06 2018 07:46 machinus wrote: Once all of this pathetic "foreigner" obsession goes away, we'll realize that any player who wins Code S three times in a row is way more impressive than winning Blizzcon. Maru comes out on top for 2018. Winning three back-to-back GSL seasons is an incredible feat of skill and tenacity that should be celebrated in the years to come. Winning four back-to-back Circuit tournaments, GSL vs the World and BlizzCon is an incredible feat of skill and tenacity that should be celebrated in the years to come. Winning three back-to-back GSL seasons does not take away from winning four back-to-back Circuit tournaments, GSL vs the World and Blizzcon. Winning four back-to-back Circuit tournaments, GSL vs the World and BlizzCon does not take away from winning three back-to-back GSL seasons. | ||
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ProFalseIdol
70 Posts
On November 06 2018 05:22 Pandain wrote: Obviously the best year of any foreigner by far, and amazing how I'm pretty sure 99% of people would agree he's the best foreigner of all time after just one year. Humans generally think in terms of crowd opinion instead of hard data. And that's only natural as we can't really process data like a computer. And there's likely lots of bias involved than people would admit or even aware of. | ||
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thezanursic
5497 Posts
On November 05 2018 05:02 Dave4 wrote: 6 Premier victories in one calendar year. And he can still make it 7. Absolutely Savage. Poll: Serral's place in SC2 History (following BlizzCon Victory) Best Player of 2018 (485) Best foreigner of 2018 (128) GOAT (106) Best Zerg of 2018 (26) Noob foreigner (23) 768 total votes Your vote: Serral's place in SC2 History (following BlizzCon Victory) (Vote): Best foreigner of 2018 Best Player of 2018, Best foreigner of all time. | ||
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
On November 06 2018 07:56 hexhaven wrote: Winning three back-to-back GSL seasons is an incredible feat of skill and tenacity that should be celebrated in the years to come. Winning four back-to-back Circuit tournaments, GSL vs the World and BlizzCon is an incredible feat of skill and tenacity that should be celebrated in the years to come. Winning three back-to-back GSL seasons does not take away from winning four back-to-back Circuit tournaments, GSL vs the World and Blizzcon. Winning four back-to-back Circuit tournaments, GSL vs the World and BlizzCon does not take away from winning three back-to-back GSL seasons. +1 post! +1wesg pls formymarufanboiheart | ||
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
On November 06 2018 07:59 thezanursic wrote: Best Player of 2018, Best foreigner of all time. This is basically a snapshot of tl forum dweller fanboi percentages..which we mostly knew already xD | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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xAdra
Singapore1858 Posts
Probably just maru fanboy salt though | ||
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deltahf
5 Posts
On November 06 2018 07:50 StasisField wrote: Kind of off-topic and not really trying to prove or disprove your point, but Serral lost 3-0 to Neeb right before Blizzcon when Serral had 2 protosses in his group and Neeb had 0 zergs. Serral probably didn't show much skill in those games to make sure his opponents had as little info on his current form and strategies as possible. Still, Neeb did 3-0 him and I can't really say he didn't win the games fair and square I understand your point and it would totally make sense to not show any builds etc but I just watched the games briefly and I hope that I remember the games well. Neeb defeated Serral with mid game timings with storm, archon, immortal army with (not sure exactly) 2-2 upgrades. And games won by Stats were exactly the same. (I really can not say how were the openers, but the main battles were quite the same) It looks like you need to hit the gap just before hive tech units. Maybe it is Serral's weakness, maybe it is his only one. I also think that after Stats defeated Special (or maybe sOs) he told that he prepared only for match with special and didnt prepare for other matches in the playoffs. Maybe if he saw that game of Neeb vs Serral finals would be closer yet all of these are just huge guesses and almost all of them are pointless. I still wonder if that window which is needed to be hit is real (if it is then how serral will try to figure it out) or I missed something else. | ||
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HaloLegend98
United States54 Posts
On November 05 2018 04:35 Musicus wrote: Big congrats once again. Definitely the best foreigner of all time and if he keeps this up he could become a real legend. Just imagine if he keeps this up in 2019 and 2020. The next test will be HSC. Great games by Stats too, almost thought he wouldn't take a map but then he showed his class. I'd say other than the other than Life, Serral definitely showed that he can stand against the other best Zergs. Rogue, Dark, etc. Serral is in another league from the foreigners. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1700 Posts
On November 06 2018 07:46 machinus wrote: Once all of this pathetic "foreigner" obsession goes away, we'll realize that any player who wins Code S three times in a row is way more impressive than winning Blizzcon. Maru comes out on top for 2018. I don't understand this. It's like saying billionaire made another million dollars. This was a broke ass homeless dude who just made a million dollars. It's not the best analogy but you are looking at this so horribly wrong. Of course Maru winning GSL is impressive, and nobody is saying Serral > Maru. People are saying he is the greatest foreigner who has accomplished something NOBODY in the foreign scene has accomplished. | ||
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YamiRi
152 Posts
watching his games since Nation War where he almost take down South Korea has been a great SC2 experiences for me personally I don't know if he could do anything on GSL or not since it has different format... but Serral is truly one of the best player that ever played this game for me | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
For those saying that Serral hasn't won a GSL... why would he go to GSL and suffer the following? It was a fair for him to compete in this own tournaments whilst korea compete in their own. Then they meet up in a neutral setting to find out the best-of-the-best. Guess what??? He won the super tournament and blizzcon - Being away from your "home base", don't discount the importance of training infrastructure and family/friends support - Cost of living in Korea playing sporadic games. How about you fund his costs of living - Travel weakens your body | ||
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hexhaven
Finland940 Posts
On November 06 2018 08:11 DomeGetta wrote: +1 post! +1wesg pls formymarufanboiheart Oh, yes! Add WESG to Maru's list as well! | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On November 06 2018 15:39 hexhaven wrote: Oh, yes! Add WESG to Maru's list as well! And then horribly murdered by sOs+ Show Spoiler + the true king of Starcraft | ||
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Veluvian
Bulgaria256 Posts
Flash. | ||
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
Maru had one of the best years SC2 has ever seen. If Serral hadn't had the year he did, there's no doubt we'd be calling it the best of this year and maybe the best we've ever seen in SC2, even better than MVP's 2011. But I have to give Serral the edge, not only because of the events he won, but also because of the manner in which he did it. The start of his year was shaky, but as the year progressed he become more and more consistent, to the point that by the end of the year in GSL vs the World and Blizzcon, he looked unstoppable. After WESG in March, he didn't lose a single set for 7 months straight until he played Neeb in Starladder, and he followed that up by winning Blizzcon. He definitely proved himself against Korea's top P's and Z's (Stats, sOs, Zest, Dark and Rogue), though you could argue he never really faced the top T's going 3-3 vs Maru for the year and 3-0 vs a slumping Innovation. Even if you only look at Bo3+ Matches vs Koreans, Serral is 17-2 (~89%) vs Maru's 31-16 (~66%) for the year. Yes, it's only about 1/3 of the matches played vs Koreans, but it's an insanely higher win percentage. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4028 Posts
On November 06 2018 07:56 hexhaven wrote: Winning three back-to-back GSL seasons is an incredible feat of skill and tenacity that should be celebrated in the years to come. Winning four back-to-back Circuit tournaments, GSL vs the World and BlizzCon is an incredible feat of skill and tenacity that should be celebrated in the years to come. Winning three back-to-back GSL seasons does not take away from winning four back-to-back Circuit tournaments, GSL vs the World and Blizzcon. Winning four back-to-back Circuit tournaments, GSL vs the World and BlizzCon does not take away from winning three back-to-back GSL seasons. Thank you. I really dont understand how people are even comparing the two let alone dismissing any for some reason. Ehy does it even matter - i never know. | ||
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