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DrDenim
8 Posts
On November 06 2018 22:34 Xain0n wrote: I wouldn't underestimate GSL vs the world that much. Serral is 100k ahead in earnings, that too should mean something. Sorry, do you mean behind? Maru is about $100k ahead of serral still https://www.esportsearnings.com/games/151-starcraft-ii But I have a feeling that gap will start to close next year.. WESG etc are gonna be interesting! | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16085 Posts
On November 07 2018 02:00 DrDenim wrote: Sorry, do you mean behind? Maru is about $100k ahead of serral still https://www.esportsearnings.com/games/151-starcraft-ii But I have a feeling that gap will start to close next year.. WESG and IEM are gonna be interesting! He's talking about this years earnings in which Serral is well ahead of Maru - as he is in every other aspect. Better winrate, more tournaments won, Wins the head-to-head 2-1 (beat him at Katowice qualifiers and GSL vs the world while only losing at WESG because Ravens were OP back then), more handsome. Simply the best RTS gamer of all time - Maru doesn't come close. | ||
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Locutos
Brazil273 Posts
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On November 07 2018 02:14 Charoisaur wrote: He's talking about this years earnings in which Serral is well ahead of Maru - as he is in every other aspect. Better winrate, more tournaments won, Wins the head-to-head 2-1 (beat him at Katowice qualifiers and GSL vs the world while only losing at WESG because Ravens were OP back then), more handsome. Simply the best RTS gamer of all time - Maru doesn't come close. loooooooooool | ||
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derpistole
Germany33 Posts
Whats funny about that ? It's the truth - straight facts. What archieved Maru this year ? 3 GSL, gj congrats wasnt that easy. Serral made Dark/sOs/Zest look like diamond players and on top of that he won the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP were the best players compete. Maru didnt even reached the semis and lost to sOs straight 0:3 - btw Serral won 0:2 vs sOs and made him look like a gold player. Right now Serral is untouchable in every aspect | ||
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
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digmouse
China6331 Posts
On November 07 2018 05:09 Zeon0 wrote: I wasnt around for Bonjwas in BW and in SC2 we never really had them. At one point can we discuss Serral being one? The guy obliterated everyone for an entire year, how long does he have to continue? For context, all previous BW Bonjwas were extremely consistent title contenders for at least 2-3 years, won multiple (5+) premier tournaments in dominant fashion, and were meta defining players, whose legacy persists through time affecting all pros after them. The only player in SC2 who is remotely close to this feat is Mvp. And no, Serral still has a LONG way to go. | ||
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derpistole
Germany33 Posts
On November 07 2018 05:09 Zeon0 wrote: I wasnt around for Bonjwas in BW and in SC2 we never really had them. At one point can we discuss Serral being one? The guy obliterated everyone for an entire year, how long does he have to continue? Even if Serral wins next year 3 GSL and outclass everyone and spends all his winnings for charity - the Koreaboos here would say "GSL not strong anymore, Korean scene is dead" When Maru vs Serral play a bo21 and Serral win 11:0 they would say "Maru was not motivated" There was never in SC2 history a player with that perfection and dominance in EVERY aspect of the game. Serral is the SC2 GOD | ||
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thezanursic
5500 Posts
On November 06 2018 08:14 DomeGetta wrote: This is basically a snapshot of tl forum dweller fanboi percentages..which we mostly knew already xD Well it's either him or Maru, and I wouldn't consider myself a fanboy. And you can hardly argue that another foreigner was better. | ||
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DeadBull
421 Posts
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Vincenzo
11 Posts
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Poopi
France13011 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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Aegwynn
Italy460 Posts
On November 07 2018 07:16 Vincenzo wrote: This Blizzcon was much worse than that of Byun or that of Rogue. Even if Serral was on point, no memorable games. 2016 was by far the worst blizzcon ever. Only one good game on king sejong isn't enough to save that since we've seen nothing else than reaper abuse. At least Serral and Stats are delivered good games this blizzcon. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16085 Posts
On November 07 2018 07:32 Aegwynn wrote: 2016 was by far the worst blizzcon ever. Only one good game on king sejong isn't enough to save that since we've seen nothing else than reaper abuse. At least Serral and Stats are delivered good games this blizzcon. disagree - Blizzcon 2016 had a number of good games (Dark vs Stats, TY vs Nerchio, Showtime vs Elazer, Dark vs Byun) The only games of this years blizzcon worth watching at all were Special vs Classic and Rogue vs Serral G4. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On November 07 2018 05:09 Zeon0 wrote: I wasnt around for Bonjwas in BW and in SC2 we never really had them. At one point can we discuss Serral being one? The guy obliterated everyone for an entire year, how long does he have to continue? I agree that Serral's year is amazing but bonjwa is a really high bar. He won Blizzcon, 4 WCS, GSL vs the world and got some ro4s. Very few called Maru bonjwa when he won 3 GSLs. Few called INnoVation bonjwa even though he won a GSL, SSL, GSL vs the World and IEM Gyeonggi with a ridiculous 68.8% winrate against Koreans offline (this might be 2nd highest winrate against Koreans offline for a year that I recall). Serral's year is probably more impressive than Dark and Byun's 2016, and a bit more impressive than Rogue's 2017. I would say it's just barely less impressive than INnoVation's 2017. However, I don't think you could say it's just as impressive as Maru in 2018. If Serral does close to as well as he has this year in 2019, then I think many would be more willing to call him bonjwa unless INnoVation and/or Maru also do well in 2019. If you compare Serral to Maru in achievements (only counting ro4 and beyond) Serral won - 4 WCS Circuit, Blizzcon, 3rd place WESG, GSL vs the World, ro4 IEM WC Maru won - 3 GSL, ro4 IEM WC, WESG, ro4 GSL vs the World We can remove ro4 IEM WC. Also, this is subjective but I would say WESG is comparable to GSL vs the World since the qualifier is pretty hard so it would be fair to just simply compare 4 WCS Circuit, Blizzcon to 3 GSL I think most people would agree that 3 GSL > 4 WCS Circuit + Blizzcon, even though Serral's achievements are incredible, and perhaps even unbelievable for a foreigner. Edit: Also, you have to remember that FlaSh in BW was only called bonjwa after he was in every final of 2010 and won 4 out 6 of the Starleagues. He also won WCG 2010 and had like a 75.15% winrate. I'm sorry to say, but I don't think any SC2 player will do anything even close to that ridiculous. Not even Jaedong was called bonjwa and his 2009 year was incredible in its own right. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19371 Posts
On November 07 2018 02:50 Locutos wrote: I predict a Serral vs Reynor rivalry next year Reynor is the most interesting player in SC2 right to me. I'm very excited to see if he can adapt and take a series of Serral. ZvZ is by far Reynor's weakest against top Zergs. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On November 07 2018 08:15 Charoisaur wrote: disagree - Blizzcon 2016 had a number of good games (Dark vs Stats, TY vs Nerchio, Showtime vs Elazer, Dark vs Byun) The only games of this years blizzcon worth watching at all were Special vs Classic and Rogue vs Serral G4. Blizzcon 2016 had some good game but none of them (except for that King Sejong game) were Buyn games, he had the worst style in SC history, not his fault of course ot was the meta but still it was a shit show. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
As for Bonjwa, it's a title tied to complete domination and back to back tournament wins; were Serral to win HSC, GSL, IEM and WESG next year, he'd deserve to be called as such. A long way, indeed. He already is the best player of 2018(barely) and the mosg successful foreigner ever seen. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On November 07 2018 07:16 Vincenzo wrote: This Blizzcon was much worse than that of Byun or that of Rogue. Even if Serral was on point, no memorable games. I would've said that up until we got to Rogue vs TY onward. Then it was just epic (excluding sOs vs Stats bop). Serral vs Rogue on Lost and Found might just be the game of the year....a ZvZ people. | ||
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