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On November 07 2018 16:12 FvRGg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2018 10:05 Xain0n wrote:
I'm sorry but I can't agree that 3 GSL are better than 4 WCS and Blizzcon.
As for Bonjwa, it's a title tied to complete domination and back to back tournament wins; were Serral to win HSC, GSL, IEM and WESG next year, he'd deserve to be called as such. A long way, indeed.
He already is the best player of 2018(barely) and the mosg successful foreigner ever seen.
Hmm I do think that 3 GSL's are a greater achievement, its the hardest tournament to win in starcraft. Let's put it this way - Maru and Serral trade spots for 2018 - what are the chances Maru wins all 4 WCS tournaments? Very very high if you ask me. The chances Serral wins all 3 GSL... IMO it's quite low, but I'll concede its impossible to truly say considering he has never competed in GSL.
Maru also won WESG, which is pretty much on par with blizzcon, how are we only talking about his 3 GSLs?
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130k less as first prize and not even close prestige wise; it was previously compared to GSL vs the world...
Serral and Maru have enough skill so that they could win premier champioships back in 2015; their 2018 streaks would have been very unlikely.
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What a great pic of Serral on top of the article, nice coverage!
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On November 08 2018 04:58 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2018 16:12 FvRGg wrote:On November 07 2018 10:05 Xain0n wrote:
I'm sorry but I can't agree that 3 GSL are better than 4 WCS and Blizzcon.
As for Bonjwa, it's a title tied to complete domination and back to back tournament wins; were Serral to win HSC, GSL, IEM and WESG next year, he'd deserve to be called as such. A long way, indeed.
He already is the best player of 2018(barely) and the mosg successful foreigner ever seen.
Hmm I do think that 3 GSL's are a greater achievement, its the hardest tournament to win in starcraft. Let's put it this way - Maru and Serral trade spots for 2018 - what are the chances Maru wins all 4 WCS tournaments? Very very high if you ask me. The chances Serral wins all 3 GSL... IMO it's quite low, but I'll concede its impossible to truly say considering he has never competed in GSL. Maru also won WESG, which is pretty much on par with blizzcon, how are we only talking about his 3 GSLs?
tbf, it was me who made that comparison (that GSL vs the World is comparable to WESG). If you look at it that way then basically you can remove the two tournaments from the equation and just compare 3 GSL to Blizzcon + 4 WCS Circuit. But now that I think of it a bit more, I would say winning WESG is closer to winning IEM WC than GSL vs the World in terms of prestige since it is a much larger tournament (in terms of player pool and prize pool) and its format is more similar to IEM WC. That means WESG is probably more prestigious than GSL vs the World and probably close to as prestigious as winning IEM WC.
Edit: BTW first prize in WESG is 200k and Blizzcon is 280k so it's actually only 80k difference.
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Hm, i thought it was 150k but that is IEM WC's prize in fact, my bad.
Personally, i previously compared 3 GSL to 4 WCS+GSL vs the World and BlizzCon to WESG; it seems me more appropriate, to me.
If it comes down to numbers, Serral is ahead in 2018:more earnings, better win percentage and so on.
The exact prestige given to GSL cannot actually be exactly agreed upon; top Koreans are still better on average than top foreigners but i don't think this makes up for Maru not winning both Super Tournaments, when comparing him to Serral steamrolling the Circuit and winning GSL vs the World.
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Had to avoid youtube and teamliquid for the past few days because I couldn't find the time to watch the whole tournament. But it sure payed off, getting the watch everything in one go.
Amazing games and great story line, congrats Serral!
It was great to see Stats improving each game to combat the swarmhosts to make sure at least Serral didn't sweep the whole thing. Stat's way to the finals seemed comparatively easy on paper: Has, Showtime, Special, sOs. But Special also played well and I can't wait to see more of him.
Pumped about the future of starcraft!
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Guys, in the thread devoted to Serral's majestic victory you're obsessed with Maru's inferiority/superiority. Just stop, c'mon you.
The bottom line is : Serral is great and Maru is great. The future will tell.
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Has it been mentioned already how awesome the teaser photo is? It tells the whole story, no text is needed. Wow!
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On November 08 2018 22:23 Sphairos wrote:
Guys, in the thread devoted to Serral's majestic victory you're obsessed with Maru's inferiority/superiority. Just stop, c'mon you.
The bottom line is : Serral is great and Maru is great. The future will tell.
plz dont - let me enjoy more terran salt.
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Both Maru and Serral are great players that dominated this year. But it's Serral who won Global Finals, so he is our reigning world champion which means, on this moment, he os the best player on the world now. That's the logic you should all follow.
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They can try and undermine Serral's 2018 but the truth is terms of wins and money is probably the best year any SC player ever had..
now it's way more impressive to have a foreigner make it instead of a korean
So Serral was not only the best SC player of 2018 he had of one best years of all-time with so much money and prestige wins
He could retire today and would still remain GOAT foreigner for sure
one of the most dominant players i have seen.. mastery of all levels of play and wonderfull to see
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On November 09 2018 23:27 inken wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 22:23 Sphairos wrote:
Guys, in the thread devoted to Serral's majestic victory you're obsessed with Maru's inferiority/superiority. Just stop, c'mon you.
The bottom line is : Serral is great and Maru is great. The future will tell. plz dont - let me enjoy more terran salt.
I think it’s more Anti-foreigner salt than Terran Lol.
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Ok guys, just gonna straight up say it, Serral is better than Maru IMO. I mean. Let's not forget that GCS is very Protoss heavy, with Zerg being the least common. I am pretty sure that ZvP is Serral's best matchup and he has said it himself when being interviewed before a game against a high-level Protoss. (I also researched it and he has a 75% win rate by matchup in ZvP)
I will admit that Maru is a great player, but no one can match Serral's adaptability in a game. In 2018, I am pretty sure that almost half of Serral's matches in WCS tournaments were won in a 3-0 fashion. The only WCS tournament this year that Serral did not smack anyone down excessively in was Montreal, but he was against Scarlett, Lambo and Reynor for the top 8, 4 and grand final respectively and they are all great players.
Sure, GCS has better players on average, but once you get to the top 16 of GCS or WCS the players are usually all incredibly well matched. Either way, I personally think Serral is a better player just because I myself am a zerg player and generally, Zerg find it hard to play anything other than a standard macro usually. Serral is by far the most efficient starcraft II player currently and I believe that economy is usually the best way to tell between players. Someone who can eco better will usually win assuming it is a macro game, whoever uses their units better will win most engagements, whoever can adapt the best will usually suffer the least losses. Serral does all three of those things the best.
Honestly, though, I think there is one player who is gonna top Serral and Maru in a year or two. That is Reynor. I mean seriously, he lost 3-4 to Serral, who is arguably the best player of 2018 in a ZvZ, which Serral plays the most often out of any matchup (he has played ~170 ZvZ, ~110 ZvT and ~80 ZvP). Top 8 in GCS at the age of 14, got top 8 in a WCS in Valencia this year but got smacked down by Serral and then loses by a game in the very next WCS of that year.
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Was finally able to watch the semi-finals and finals last night. Rogue vs. Serral was great and the finals did not disappoint either. Congratulations to Serral for his historic achievement!
Hope we will see a bit more competition in WCS Circuit in 2019. This year, Serral was very dominant.
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