EPTSerral wins the 2018 WCS Global Finals - Page 13
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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ProFalseIdol
70 Posts
Better winrate, more tournaments won, Wins the head-to-head 2-1 (beat him at Katowice qualifiers and GSL vs the world while only losing at WESG because Ravens were OP back then), more handsome. Simply the best RTS gamer of all time - Maru doesn't come close. Minor tournaments sure.. Katowice qualifiers was online in EU server. GSL vs the world was a best of 1 showmatch. Ravens didn't matter during their WESG best of 3 match. Watch it for yourself: | ||
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terribleplayer1
95 Posts
Did you actually watch it? I know cuz I've counted the ravens in one of the games, he made so many he ran out of gas and threw down 12 rax in a 30min game. 2 of the maps he "spams" ravens in a way it's not viable anymore, one map he doesnt. | ||
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FvRGg
68 Posts
On November 07 2018 10:05 Xain0n wrote: I'm sorry but I can't agree that 3 GSL are better than 4 WCS and Blizzcon. As for Bonjwa, it's a title tied to complete domination and back to back tournament wins; were Serral to win HSC, GSL, IEM and WESG next year, he'd deserve to be called as such. A long way, indeed. He already is the best player of 2018(barely) and the mosg successful foreigner ever seen. Hmm I do think that 3 GSL's are a greater achievement, its the hardest tournament to win in starcraft. Let's put it this way - Maru and Serral trade spots for 2018 - what are the chances Maru wins all 4 WCS tournaments? Very very high if you ask me. The chances Serral wins all 3 GSL... IMO it's quite low, but I'll concede its impossible to truly say considering he has never competed in GSL. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Serral wouldn't have won 3 GSL as he was not the best earlier in the year, but he would have been the favourite in GSL 3; in his Blizzcon shape, Serral would have won all three(most likely). Maru has shown to be someway shaky in weekender tournaments so he might have lost to Reynor in Valencia, at least. In addiction to that, both Maru and Serral played GSL vs the world and BlizzCon and Serral ended up winning those events; current patch may favor zerg but it's not like Dark and Rogue performances skyrocketed. Maru's and Serral's years are about even but if I had to choose one, i'd say Serral's(366k vs 467k earned, too). | ||
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seifhd
2 Posts
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Jihadi_Chant
19 Posts
2018 was a disaster year for Korea, lost sc2 global finals and haven't made into finals at league. | ||
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EEk1TwEEk
Russian Federation186 Posts
Disastrous 2018 for the Koreans. But everything was screaming about that. 1. Europeans and Americans can qualify to GSL - Koreans not allowed to qualify in WCS events, except for Katowice. 2. 8 seeds from each region made the Global Finals less competitive, because, you know, I am not interested in watching Lambo or Has terrible perfeormances, just like other 4 ppl from WCS Circuit failing to go to the next round. 3. And lastly, Kaelaris. Being a host, not even a commentator, making a Serral poster. Fucking retard, hope he never hosts again. So unprofessional of every single person there on stage rooting for Serral to win! Nevertheless, congrats to Serral. What a monster he is! Sad he didn't meet Maru User was warned for this post | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Neeb and Showtime deserved a place at Blizzcon and they did well enough. The problem was that Korea's standings were much closer to an actual top 8 power ranking than World's:Reynor, Scarlett and Elazer didn't make it but they are better players than Has, Nerchio(currently) and Heromarine/Lambo. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On November 07 2018 23:47 Xain0n wrote: The Global Finals weren't less competitive because of the 8 spots reserved to Circuit! Neeb and Showtime deserved a place at Blizzcon and they did well enough. The problem was that Korea's standings were much closer to an actual top 8 power ranking than World's:Reynor, Scarlett and Elazer didn't make it but they are better players than Has, Nerchio(currently) and Heromarine/Lambo. They performed worse this year so they aren't better (with the possible exception of Reynor because he missed 2 WCS events) | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 07 2018 23:47 Xain0n wrote: The Global Finals weren't less competitive because of the 8 spots reserved to Circuit! Neeb and Showtime deserved a place at Blizzcon and they did well enough. The problem was that Korea's standings were much closer to an actual top 8 power ranking than World's:Reynor, Scarlett and Elazer didn't make it but they are better players than Has, Nerchio(currently) and Heromarine/Lambo. Agreed. I couldnt have changed a single player from the Korean top 8 and make their roster stronger. Like, who would you want there more? Solar? no chance. Gumiho? maybe, but then who would have you dropped? As for foreigners, definitely Reynor, Scarlett and Elazer over Has, Nerchio and Heromarine. I dont hate Heromarine, he s a good and consistent player, but not the kind who punches up. He s the kind who reliably beats everyone below him, preforms well against ppl with similar skill and loses 100% against more accomplished players. Compared to that, Scarlett would have been a wildcard, maybe she wins the group, maybe she goes 0-4. And we can all but state it for certain that Reynor would have qualified had he participated in all 4 events. Even with only 2 events he almost made it, and ultimately was stopped by Serral in a 4-3 series. Has would have never qualified without the challenger points, the stars aligned for that 2nd place finish, so ha made it, earned it, but everyone knew this would happen in Anaheim. Lambo is actually legit good, i wouldnt have change him out, ofcourse he looked kinda bad vs the two top terrans, nobody was really shocked there. But he s smart and fast, I would have kept him in my top8. | ||
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EEk1TwEEk
Russian Federation186 Posts
It's still unprofessional for a host/commentator to root for any player | ||
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Gurbak
France622 Posts
On November 08 2018 00:19 EEk1TwEEk wrote: Whatever It's still unprofessional for a host/commentator to root for any player no it's not | ||
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
Definitely debatable but generally speaking it is. For this reason you see in things like college game day etc they dont have the guys calling the games make picks before hand etc..however in this case being such a monumental scene shifting event I think it would be nuts to think the foreign casters wouldnt be pulling for history to be made by a foreigner..having said that its a bit in poor taste but can totally understand it happening in this context. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Elazer kind of underperformed, he is stronger than the players I listed; it's fair that he didn't make it to BlizzCon, but ideally he should have. Scarlett did very well in GSL and won IEM Pyeonchang, she probably wasn't as focused on Circuit events; if she only could add her WCS Korea points, she would have been at BlizzCon. Reynor almost made it being able to play only two events, i don't see how he couldn't deserve a BlizzCon spot. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On November 08 2018 01:25 Xain0n wrote: I share Rion's opinions! Elazer kind of underperformed, he is stronger than the players I listed; it's fair that he didn't make it to BlizzCon, but ideally he should have. Scarlett did very well in GSL and won IEM Pyeonchang, she probably wasn't as focused on Circuit events; if she only could add her WCS Korea points, she would have been at BlizzCon. Reynor almost made it being able to play only two events, i don't see how he couldn't deserve a BlizzCon spot. Okay you have a point with Scarlett but I don't see why you think Elazer is stronger than Has/HM/Nerchio. His results weren't very good. Just because of his reputation? Then I could also say Innovation is better than TY because he's theoretically capable of performing at a higher skill level even though it didn't show in his results. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 08 2018 02:22 Charoisaur wrote: Okay you have a point with Scarlett but I don't see why you think Elazer is stronger than Has/HM/Nerchio. His results weren't very good. Just because of his reputation? Then I could also say Innovation is better than TY because he's theoretically capable of performing at a higher skill level even though it didn't show in his results. I dont think anyone is arguing that Elazer should have had the spot. What I, and some other people, are saying that if we were given the task to invite the 8 most skilled foreigners, we would have picked 3-4 different people than the ones who qualified. As u point out with Reynor and Scarlett a case can be made they would have made in "on their own" if the circumstances were different, not with Elazer. I still would have picked him for the "dreamteam". Why do I say that? Quality of play for one. I for one watch the game, especially the zerg games to see how well they re playing. Elazer played very well this year. He won some tournaments and did well in others, but not quite well enough in WCS. None of his eliminations from WCS were that shocking though, he went out every single time vs the top rep of each race, Serral, Special and Neeb respectively. Bracket draw does impact WCS points, and it s fine, part of the process, Elazer just drawn less well this year, as he could have, his play still looked really solid. Not dominant, but really solid. Better than nerchio`s i would say, as least as good as Lambo`s, probably better. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
The foreigner will caught because korean are falling. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On November 08 2018 04:27 Mun_Su wrote: tbh i think that Maru or Serral would have never won 2 GSL in 2015 for exemple. the game is far less competitive that it was. This is why INnoVation is impressive for having won at least one major tournament from 2013 to 2017. Korean skill has faltered in 2018. In 2012 to 2015 they were so many top korean, having all these finals from soO was something really impressive. But in 2018 only Maru and stats were top level all the year. TY, Classic and Rogue had up and downs, Zest is good one day in 10, same for sOs... INnovation didn't achieve anything this year etc. The foreigner will caught because korean are falling. True, back in sc2's prime days it was a blessing if you could see the top players streaming or playing any other tournament outside of the offline korean ones, the minor tournaments were reserved for a vast amount of mid to low tier players, but nowadays you open a random stream and you will get to see Dark vs Ty level matches on repeat and it lost it's charm, it's like the korean scene is comprised of 16 players and their alt accounts. | ||
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