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On November 06 2018 13:22 ShowTheLights wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2018 07:46 machinus wrote:
Once all of this pathetic "foreigner" obsession goes away, we'll realize that any player who wins Code S three times in a row is way more impressive than winning Blizzcon.
Maru comes out on top for 2018. I don't understand this. It's like saying billionaire made another million dollars. This was a broke ass homeless dude who just made a million dollars. It's not the best analogy but you are looking at this so horribly wrong. Of course Maru winning GSL is impressive, and nobody is saying Serral > Maru. People are saying he is the greatest foreigner who has accomplished something NOBODY in the foreign scene has accomplished.
I am saying: Serral right now is better than Maru. They have competed together in 2 premier tournaments in recent months. Serral has won both, and Maru hasn't even gotten do the finals. Both players who won Maru, lost to Serral. Serral is the best, forget the rest.
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On November 06 2018 18:53 Locutos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2018 13:22 ShowTheLights wrote:On November 06 2018 07:46 machinus wrote:
Once all of this pathetic "foreigner" obsession goes away, we'll realize that any player who wins Code S three times in a row is way more impressive than winning Blizzcon.
Maru comes out on top for 2018. I don't understand this. It's like saying billionaire made another million dollars. This was a broke ass homeless dude who just made a million dollars. It's not the best analogy but you are looking at this so horribly wrong. Of course Maru winning GSL is impressive, and nobody is saying Serral > Maru. People are saying he is the greatest foreigner who has accomplished something NOBODY in the foreign scene has accomplished. I am saying: Serral right now is better than Maru. They have competed together in 2 premier tournaments in recent months. Serral has won both, and Maru hasn't even gotten do the finals. Both players who won Maru, lost to Serral. Serral is the best, forget the rest.
Televised series are considered the ultimate form of competitive starcraft because it's weeks of preparation, hundreds of games to prepare against a specific opponent, hours to dissect his play style. Players just give up on other match-ups during that time. At least it's how they depicted their preparation during team houses days, I'm not so sure they have this level of practice noawadays.
Mind you it's totally acceptable to think it's just a different form of competition and should not be held in higher esteem than week long tournaments, even if the consensus still is to rate televised tournaments higher.
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As small as it is, it seems that even the Korean SC2 community is widely praising Serral more so than some of the anti-Serral people who aren't even Korean. It's hilarious, really.
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Congratz Serral!
the best foreigner of all time, best SC player os 2018, best year for a foreigner and probably of any player all time..
Pure domination!
Hope you grind it to another good run next year so that you can be forever remembered as one of the best SC players of all time and not a one year fluke
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On November 06 2018 07:46 machinus wrote:
Once all of this pathetic "foreigner" obsession goes away, we'll realize that any player who wins Code S three times in a row is way more impressive than winning Blizzcon.
Maru comes out on top for 2018.
Worldchampion is the best player in the world 
Winning 3 tourneys and losing when it matters in the big one (to 8th player in the korean seeds) doesn't make you the worlds best.
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On November 06 2018 07:46 machinus wrote:
Once all of this pathetic "foreigner" obsession goes away, we'll realize that any player who wins Code S three times in a row is way more impressive than winning Blizzcon.
Maru comes out on top for 2018.
Winning world championship is actually the definition of world champion. And that means he is the best player in the world.
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On November 06 2018 19:27 Kommander wrote:
As small as it is, it seems that even the Korean SC2 community is widely praising Serral more so than some of the anti-Serral people who aren't even Korean. It's hilarious, really.
They know the truth. Serral is #1.
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I think Serral it's the best right now, as he won the last major tournament. But the best player in 2018? That's really hard to say.
Winning blizzcon doesn't make you the best player of the year, otherwise SOS would be the best player in the world in 2013 and 2015, and no one ever claimed that(as far as I know).
The problem is Maru was allowed to compete only in GSL, IEM, WESG, Super Tournaments and Blizzcon.
Serral was allowed to compete in all of these + the 4 WCS events. He chose to ignore GSL, it was he's choice. Maru and other Koreans could not play WCS, no choice there. Other top foreigners played both GSL and WCS events.
Even if we ignore the fact that he has 0 results in GSL, there is the fact they had IEM, WESG and Blizzcon allone as major tournaments where they both competed. In the first 2 Maru had better results, including direct win over Serral.
It's really hard to say who had the better year. I tend to give it to Maru because I feel GSL > WCS (anyone can play in GSL, some players are forbidden from WCS, I don't think anyone can argue the restrictive tournament is better), and Bllizzcon ~= IEM + WESG. But it's very close.
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If Maru won IEM World Championship I'd probably agree with you, but actually Rogue did.
So it's more likely we can compare 3 GSL to 4WCS+GSL vs the world(slight edge to Maru, maybe), but then it's just Serral's Blizzcon vs Maru's WESG!
Serral comes out on top, even if not by a mile; Maru's 2018 is still one of the best years a Sc2 player has ever had.
As for Rogue winning three weekenders in late 2017 including Blizzcon(the fourth took place in 2018) and not been acclaimed as the best player of the year unlike Serral in 2018:five is way more than three and Rogue accomplished nothing before those wins, whereas Serral already had a WCS plus top placements in WESG and Katowice.
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On November 06 2018 20:59 da.ta wrote:
I think Serral it's the best right now, as he won the last major tournament. But the best player in 2018? That's really hard to say.
Winning blizzcon doesn't make you the best player of the year, otherwise SOS would be the best player in the world in 2013 and 2015, and no one ever claimed that(as far as I know).
The problem is Maru was allowed to compete only in GSL, IEM, WESG, Super Tournaments and Blizzcon.
Serral was allowed to compete in all of these + the 4 WCS events. He chose to ignore GSL, it was he's choice. Maru and other Koreans could not play WCS, no choice there. Other top foreigners played both GSL and WCS events.
Even if we ignore the fact that he has 0 results in GSL, there is the fact they had IEM, WESG and Blizzcon allone as major tournaments where they both competed. In the first 2 Maru had better results, including direct win over Serral.
It's really hard to say who had the better year. I tend to give it to Maru because I feel GSL > WCS (anyone can play in GSL, some players are forbidden from WCS, I don't think anyone can argue the restrictive tournament is better), and Bllizzcon ~= IEM + WESG. But it's very close.
Maru and Serral had the same result in IEM, both semi-finalist. Also I don't see why GSLvsworld isn't also in the list.
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GSL vs the world seems kinda like Home Story cup to me as importance. Nice tournament, great players, but no one takes it too serious. At least that's how I perceive it. And in the previous years it did not seem that anyone really cared who won it when discussing about best players. After all, we have public voting to decide participants. It just doesn't feel major, at least not to me.
About IEM, my mistake. It's been a while and I thought Serral went out in quarters.
So IEM out of the question, same result there.
GSL> WCS? Do you agree?
Blizzcon > WESG? Agree?
Let's call it a draw then between them and let's be all happy
Only issue remaining it's that Serral chose not to play GSL, Maru could not play WCS. But this can not be solved by us
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I wouldn't underestimate GSL vs the world that much.
Serral is 100k ahead in earnings, that too should mean something.
Moving to Korea mid season would have been a weird decision and at the start of the year Serral wasn't the player he is now. If he has desire of, he will be able to compete in GSL next year!
Maru's year was astonishing, Serral's just a little more in my opinion.
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Right now Serral is the best in the world
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On November 06 2018 22:04 da.ta wrote:GSL vs the world seems kinda like Home Story cup to me as importance. Nice tournament, great players, but no one takes it too serious. At least that's how I perceive it. And in the previous years it did not seem that anyone really cared who won it when discussing about best players. After all, we have public voting to decide participants. It just doesn't feel major, at least not to me. About IEM, my mistake. It's been a while and I thought Serral went out in quarters. So IEM out of the question, same result there. GSL> WCS? Do you agree? Blizzcon > WESG? Agree? Let's call it a draw then between them and let's be all happy Only issue remaining it's that Serral chose not to play GSL, Maru could not play WCS. But this can not be solved by us
No. I will not be happy untill everyone acknowlodges Serral as the best player of 2018, of living history in StarCraft and as rightful king of Westeros!!
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Well, he's called King in the North!
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We should get something like a whole tournament just Maru and Serral, a whole week of best of 7, like 7 best of seven )
I really don't care who would win, but I think everyone would love it.
I think right now Serral would win, in this patch. In the one from the early part of the year, I think Maru would win.
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On November 06 2018 22:46 da.ta wrote:We should get something like a whole tournament just Maru and Serral, a whole week of best of 7, like 7 best of seven ) I really don't care who would win, but I think everyone would love it. I think right now Serral would win, in this patch. In the one from the early part of the year, I think Maru would win.
A tournament with a round robin of bo7s, between Maru, Serral, Stats, Rogue, TY and Sos (probably the top6 in most ppls opinions) with 2 from each race... Not a bad idea.
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got the chills even after 3 days. Great Finals.
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Been watching sc2 for a long time and Serral is definitely one of a kind.
The way he plays is just outstanding. He makes the right call all the time. You just see and understand his play even if you don't have the in depth knowledge.
It's quite amazing to watch.
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On November 06 2018 18:53 Locutos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2018 13:22 ShowTheLights wrote:On November 06 2018 07:46 machinus wrote:
Once all of this pathetic "foreigner" obsession goes away, we'll realize that any player who wins Code S three times in a row is way more impressive than winning Blizzcon.
Maru comes out on top for 2018. I don't understand this. It's like saying billionaire made another million dollars. This was a broke ass homeless dude who just made a million dollars. It's not the best analogy but you are looking at this so horribly wrong. Of course Maru winning GSL is impressive, and nobody is saying Serral > Maru. People are saying he is the greatest foreigner who has accomplished something NOBODY in the foreign scene has accomplished. I am saying: Serral right now is better than Maru. They have competed together in 2 premier tournaments in recent months. Serral has won both, and Maru hasn't even gotten do the finals. Both players who won Maru, lost to Serral. Serral is the best, forget the rest.
You may be right... but best of 7 is the most convincing... considering how LoTV matches are so short.. why aren't we making matches the best of 7 or more, for more matches?
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