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GoloSC2
711 Posts
On November 30 2017 23:38 DieuCure wrote: Because wesg 2016 was interesting ? Stop fooling yourself, guys like you are ruining kr scene. literally the reason proleague didn't continue how could you | ||
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LDaVinci
France130 Posts
On November 30 2017 23:41 GoloSC2 wrote: literally the reason proleague didn't continue how could you Yes I should be blame on the fact koreans don't watch SC2. It's all my fault, I've got to admit it. And silly me, I didn't watch proleague or GSL during day time because I was at work, what was I thinking ? Sorry to want to watch European play and to get excited when foreigners play at top level. Guys like you are an insult to intelligence. Blizzcon was fun and interesting and it was only few weeks ago. In a year, foreigners showed they can improve a lot when there is the money incentive. They are not at top korean level yet, but neither are most koreans... you know the difference between top 4 5 korean and the rest. Top foreigners are good enough to show great games against the top koreans though. You know Denver just beat Impact and hero in Ting event. Sure they are probably not the hottest koreans right now and they maybe had lags, but this was unthinkable a year ago. Foreigners are improving fast. And btw I don't care about developping the kr scene. I mean they have two major tournaments to earn money, plus some big events. For just one country that's not even that populated (less than germany). Region lock was the best decision of blizzard ever. 5 years ago, koreans where trusting all the tournaments, and the koreans who where playing in NA or EU where not even the best of them (except 1 or 2). Now the foreigners can improve and get money. The level is increasing tremendously. Guys like you are the reason of the skill gap between kr and EU/NA | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
Unless it's a 3rd tier event, it shouldn't. | ||
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
On December 01 2017 00:08 LDaVinci wrote: Yes I should be blame on the fact koreans don't watch SC2. It's all my fault, I've got to admit it. And silly me, I didn't watch proleague or GSL during day time because I was at work, what was I thinking ? Sorry to want to watch European play and to get excited when foreigners play at top level. Guys like you are an insult to intelligence. Blizzcon was fun and interesting and it was only few weeks ago. In a year, foreigners showed they can improve a lot when there is the money incentive. They are not at top korean level yet, but neither are most koreans... you know the difference between top 4 5 korean and the rest. Top foreigners are good enough to show great games against the top koreans though. You know Denver just beat Impact and hero in Ting event. Sure they are probably not the hottest koreans right now and they maybe had lags, but this was unthinkable a year ago. Foreigners are improving fast. And btw I don't care about developping the kr scene. I mean they have two major tournaments to earn money, plus some big events. For just one country that's not even that populated (less than germany). Region lock was the best decision of blizzard ever. 5 years ago, koreans where trusting all the tournaments, and the koreans who where playing in NA or EU where not even the best of them (except 1 or 2). Now the foreigners can improve and get money. The level is increasing tremendously. Guys like you are the reason of the skill gap between kr and EU/NA people like you: 1/ Dont care about Korean scene (basically like love football but dont give a shit about European Champion league) 2/ Dont watch GSL or Korean tournaments 3/ Always say the best players are some foreign dudes 4/ Cheer for Korean to lose 5/ Hype about AMAZING level of plays by foreigners People like you make me enjoy watching foreigners get rekted at big tournaments so much <3 I still remember the sweet moment when all the American audiences silently watched Neeb got 0-3ed cruelly by Dark at last year Blizzcon <3 | ||
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Drfilip
Sweden590 Posts
Top Koreans are generally better than the rest of the world. That doesn't mean they will always win (lucky me that Dark lost vs a foreigner at Blizzcon :p ). We will probably have a Korean in the grand final, but it isn't a certainty. The way to the final match is the interesting part. We are (or at least I am) viewers. We watch the games. Watching the games is the exciting part. It is also the part that lures sponsors who bring money into the sport, making it possible to have professional gamers. The statistics is secondary in this case, and raw match wins or even game scores isn't the whole story. Did anyone watch Maru vs Zest in code A? Zest won 3-0, but it was the most even match in all of GSL that I can remember. The games were also thrilling to watch, with long macro games and several nukes. My favourite game ended with a gas broke Zest warping in 40 zealots vs Maru's bio. The match ended 3-0. Maru didn't know how to defeat Zest. Zest played better. The games were amazing. These kinds of games are possible with a better player vs an inferior player. The inferior player might even win, but if the inferior player loses we have a new shot in the next map. The tourney continues and we, the viewers, will get our games. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
As for the tournament director's decisions, it's hard enough making a successful esports business atm. Lots of investors/interest nowadays but not a lot of people figuring out how to be profitable and sustainable. If they've put everything together and they're risking their own careers/money, then they've earned the right to decide what they think is best for their event. If anyone thinks there's a huge opportunity being missed because Korean SC2 player talent is being undervalued, then start your own business or get involved somehow and make it happen. I think it's fair to say that TotalBiscuit has done that and it's been really awesome for the community and has put more money in the pockets of the best players while still giving other players a chance. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On November 30 2017 03:58 aQuaSC wrote: Were people crying that much at WCG back in the day about it not having 50% of Korean line-up too? False equivalence; WCG always had that format. For IEM it's considered a bad change. Also WCG had become a joke in its final years, just saying. | ||
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GoloSC2
711 Posts
On December 01 2017 00:08 LDaVinci wrote: Yes I should be blame on the fact koreans don't watch SC2. It's all my fault, I've got to admit it. And silly me, I didn't watch proleague or GSL during day time because I was at work, what was I thinking ? Sorry to want to watch European play and to get excited when foreigners play at top level. Guys like you are an insult to intelligence. Blizzcon was fun and interesting and it was only few weeks ago. In a year, foreigners showed they can improve a lot when there is the money incentive. They are not at top korean level yet, but neither are most koreans... you know the difference between top 4 5 korean and the rest. Top foreigners are good enough to show great games against the top koreans though. You know Denver just beat Impact and hero in Ting event. Sure they are probably not the hottest koreans right now and they maybe had lags, but this was unthinkable a year ago. Foreigners are improving fast. And btw I don't care about developping the kr scene. I mean they have two major tournaments to earn money, plus some big events. For just one country that's not even that populated (less than germany). Region lock was the best decision of blizzard ever. 5 years ago, koreans where trusting all the tournaments, and the koreans who where playing in NA or EU where not even the best of them (except 1 or 2). Now the foreigners can improve and get money. The level is increasing tremendously. Guys like you are the reason of the skill gap between kr and EU/NA in case you meant me: i was making fun of dieucure's ridiculous statement, i thought that would come across | ||
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Penev
28504 Posts
So allow me to cry a little pls | ||
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LDaVinci
France130 Posts
On December 01 2017 01:49 GoloSC2 wrote: in case you meant me: i was making fun of dieucure's ridiculous statement, i thought that would come across Don't worry that was pretty clear ;-) Those guys are pretty much jokes. Korean fanboys who view them as litteral gods. Koreans are still the best, but how can you actually blame someone for not watching GSL when it's during working hours. I don't know who they actually are, but when they'll get a life, it will be hard for them ! | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On December 01 2017 01:56 LDaVinci wrote: Don't worry that was pretty clear ;-) Those guys are pretty much jokes. Korean fanboys who view them as litteral gods. Koreans are still the best, but how can you actually blame someone for not watching GSL when it's during working hours. I don't know who they actually are, but when they'll get a life, it will be hard for them ! Can't speak to DieuCure in particular but you do know there are people in this world who work from home right? Also, timezones. Also, different shifts other than morning to afternoon. Just saying buddy, you're looking mighty silly implying someone has no life just because they get to watch GSL live... | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On December 01 2017 02:11 207aicila wrote: Can't speak to DieuCure in particular but you do know there are people in this world who work from home right? Also, timezones. Also, different shifts other than morning to afternoon. Just saying buddy, you're looking mighty silly implying someone has no life just because they get to watch GSL live... Eh, what? So the two people who watch GSL and Proleague who work from home should be respected more than some majority? I have maybe watched on 2 or 3 occasions GSL and/or Proleague since I started working fulltime - even tho I often enough work from home because you know ... I'm working ... It is still funny to see how this scene is dismantling itself with all those entitled elitist on both sides of the argument. Why can't we just enjoy what we want and let people enjoy what they do... Far more concerning is, what Nerchio stated in this thread but hey, lets talk about the distribution of KR vs Rest. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On November 30 2017 18:07 Drfilip wrote: The Olympics is about international sportsmanship. NA has 3 countries, Europe has ~40. What I find surprising is the singular spot for Africa. That continent has a bunch of countries too. My guess for why is that the limited 16 players warrants higher quality of players, making the weak region of Africa get fewer spots despite having a lot of countries. In regular Olympics there are a lot of participants that are happy with just attending, even if they are sure to finish last. It is the international unity through sports that is the core of Olympics, not the competitiveness. Being an IEM event there are conflicting aspects of intent. That has to affect the tournament as well. NA has 20-some countries. Most of them are pretty irrelevant tbf. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On December 01 2017 02:24 bluQ wrote: Eh, what? So the two people who watch GSL and Proleague who work from home should be respected more than some majority? I have maybe watched on 2 or 3 occasions GSL and/or Proleague since I started working fulltime - even tho I often enough work from home because you know ... I'm working ... It is still funny to see how this scene is dismantling itself with all those entitled elitist on both sides of the argument. Why can't we just enjoy what we want and let people enjoy what they do... Far more concerning is, what Nerchio stated in this thread but hey, lets talk about the distribution of KR vs Rest. I am constantly fascinated by people like this who feel the need to boast against them having to work. I mean sure, I see how that is the life situation of a majority of people - but that sucks for them and what the hell is there to be so righteous about it? I am 35, I have a great life (within the boundaries set by my genetics) and have watched countless GSLs and PLs live, because I enjoy that very much and because I am able to get my life together in way that makes it possible. The fact that you are part of the majority doesn't mean that you aren't a loser. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On December 01 2017 02:24 bluQ wrote: Eh, what? So the two people who watch GSL and Proleague who work from home should be respected more than some majority? I have maybe watched on 2 or 3 occasions GSL and/or Proleague since I started working fulltime - even tho I often enough work from home because you know ... I'm working ... Where did I say they should be respected more? I just said they should not be DISrespected, which is what LLDaVinci was doing, alongside his petty and ignorant generalizations... FWIW I also agree with opisska's post above. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On December 01 2017 01:08 ParksonVN wrote: people like you: 1/ Dont care about Korean scene (basically like love football but dont give a shit about European Champion league) 2/ Dont watch GSL or Korean tournaments 3/ Always say the best players are some foreign dudes 4/ Cheer for Korean to lose 5/ Hype about AMAZING level of plays by foreigners People like you make me enjoy watching foreigners get rekted at big tournaments so much <3 I still remember the sweet moment when all the American audiences silently watched Neeb got 0-3ed cruelly by Dark at last year Blizzcon <3 Wow, well said little soldier. On December 01 2017 01:56 LDaVinci wrote: Don't worry that was pretty clear ;-) Those guys are pretty much jokes. Korean fanboys who view them as litteral gods. Koreans are still the best, but how can you actually blame someone for not watching GSL when it's during working hours. I don't know who they actually are, but when they'll get a life, it will be hard for them ! It's absolutely baseless. "You are a complete no life if you dont think like me btw". Smarter than me i guess | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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