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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On October 18 2017 06:15 Fango wrote: TRUE beats Taeja head-to-head and TL had the nerve to put him 15th....smh Clearly another case of egregious Liquid bias. TRUE is the one true GOAT. The throne is his by rights. All those who deny that are my foes. | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On October 18 2017 06:33 Zaros wrote: soO or Neeb next I think, probably not fair to rank Neeb higher than anyone else other than soO even if he has been completely dominant in WCS and is number 1 on aligulac. I mean ... soO wasn't even in all GSL finals this year and neeb was only one game away from qualifying for it, so it's only fair to rank him higher. | ||
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xongnox
540 Posts
However, still a good read for a fabulous player. | ||
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LtCalley
United States244 Posts
On October 18 2017 04:48 Fango wrote: Firstly, that was a year ago. The amount that a single victory can indicate current form decreases over time. Results from before the big patch last year hold no value. And secondly, Neeb did not win a GSL-like tournament. He did indeed take korean PvP by storm with his superior expirience of disruptor-stalker control, and he did indeed win a korean tournament with it. And while that is an incredible achievment, it's not on the same level as winning GSL. In fact it's not even close. i'd argue that it's on the same level as winning a GSL, just different format. "In fact," it's an opinion. | ||
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scoo2r
Canada90 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 18 2017 07:22 LtCalley wrote: i'd argue that it's on the same level as winning a GSL, just different format. "In fact," it's an opinion. Go ahead and argue it, I'm yet to see any reason other than "they're both in korea". | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On October 18 2017 00:56 LtCalley wrote: nice straw man, and a completely idiotic response to my post. but thanks for your contribution I'm going to be honest, I have a hard time taking anyone seriously who defaults to just saying inane things like 'nice straw man.' Why don't you try explaining your point instead of being even more awful than the person you chastise? | ||
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leublix
493 Posts
On October 18 2017 03:35 pvsnp wrote: They talk about the $$$. It was a well-paid showmatch. At this point, I think it would be fairly straightforward to finalize the Terran hierarchy for 2017. Inno is unquestionably first. TY clearly takes second. After that though, it gets murkier. Maru, then Gumiho, then ByuN, then aLive, then Ryung, would be my ranking. But I can see how people could rank them differently. Well, the power ranking should be more about current form then overall season achievements. TY clearly (imo) had a better year than gumiho but he didn't look particularly strong lately. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On October 18 2017 08:23 leublix wrote: Well, the power ranking should be more about current form then overall season achievements. TY clearly (imo) had a better year than gumiho but he didn't look particularly strong lately. Gumiho's most recent offline trophy was winning GSL Season 2. Since then he has gotten no further than the Ro16 of any big tournament. TY's most recent offline trophy was way back in March. But while Gumiho's been dropping out in the Ro16, TY has gotten to the quarterfinals of GSL S3, the semifinals of IEM Shanghai, and the finals of GSL vs the World. Gumiho plays some online stuff, but TY basically never does, so it's hard to draw any conclusions from that. On the balance, I would put TY > Gumiho more than the other way around. On October 18 2017 07:22 LtCalley wrote: i'd argue that it's on the same level as winning a GSL, just different format. "In fact," it's an opinion. You would be wrong. It is most certainly a fact that a KeSPA Cup takes place over a few days while a GSL Season spans a few months. Starleagues outrank any weekender for that exact reason. It's far more difficult to stay in top form for several months than it is for several days. | ||
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barcodeno1
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On October 18 2017 08:40 pvsnp wrote: Gumiho's most recent offline trophy was winning GSL Season 2. Since then he has gotten no further than the Ro16 of any big tournament. TY's most recent offline trophy was way back in March. But while Gumiho's been dropping out in the Ro16, TY has gotten to the quarterfinals of GSL S3, the semifinals of IEM Shanghai, and the finals of GSL vs the World. Gumiho plays some online stuff, but TY basically never does, so it's hard to draw any conclusions from that. On the balance, I would put TY > Gumiho more than the other way around. -TY's ro16 GSL S3 was by far the easiest of the 4, so getting one round further than GuMiho isn't that impressive. -That IEM Shanghai semifinals came off the back of beating Dark and nobody else of note. (Yes, he beat iAsonu which GuMiho didn't, but he had the benefit of being able to watch his ZvT before the series which GuMiho did not) -TY beat absolutely nobody of note at GSL vs The World and that tournament was a complete joke due to being a popularity contest. (Scarlett and Showtime at an event that is supposedly pitting the top non-Koreans against the top Koreans? Scarlett brings world class whining and nothing else. Showtime isn't close to the player he was in 2016) TY does play in some online tournaments. Take a look at one of the only major online tournaments: Master's Coliseum. -GuMiho won the 1st which included eliminating TY in the group stages. -GuMiho made the ro8 in the 2nd while TY was eliminated in the group stages though TY's group was by far the hardest. (he went 2-6 in maps though and finished last...) | ||
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engesser1
264 Posts
Neeb is cool lil dude, no questions. I respect him, as like others. But from another side I can't say this is right thing to put him above Gumiho. Gumiho has a style. Unique style. And it's fair to say it. He got his nickname gumiGOD no just because it was a lame joke. Look what have he done. Created so many things for us and he won GSL. People copy him and calling him gumiGOD. While Neeb is just copying someone the whole year. And can't beat terran's ass on ladder. I watched so many ladder games with him against Maru (5-0 one day) or Cure (9-3 another day). It was a disaster for him. But somehow people saying, hey, he is better then Gumiho. It's wrong not to say from community to Gumiho that he is doing it right for so long time, and finlally he made it, he is on top. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
On October 18 2017 09:55 engesser1 wrote: I feel pain for those pros players who've tried to read this ranking. Probably it gives some dismoral for them. Neeb is cool lil dude, no questions. I respect him, as like others. But from another side I can't say this is right thing to put him above Gumiho. Gumiho has a style. Unique style. And it's fair to say it. He got his nickname gumiGOD no just because it was a lame joke. Look what have he done. Created so many things for us and he won GSL. People copy him and calling him gumiGOD. While Neeb is just copying someone the whole year. And can't beat terran's ass on ladder. I watched so many ladder games with him against Maru (5-0 one day) or Cure (9-3 another day). It was a disaster for him. But somehow people saying, hey, he is better then Gumiho. It's wrong not to say from community to Gumiho that he is doing it right for so long time, and finlally he made it, he is on top. yup this article is clearly saying that Gumiho is a lame joke please try harder | ||
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria888 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On October 18 2017 05:57 pvsnp wrote: Mvp was the GOAT but Inno beat him H2H so he is GOAT but Taeja beat him H2H so thefore Taeja confirmed GOAT. It is known. Some nice liquid bias you got going there. Otherwise you'd go to the next logical step that Flash beats Taeja H2H.  | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On October 18 2017 09:34 Boggyb wrote: -TY's ro16 GSL S3 was by far the easiest of the 4, so getting one round further than GuMiho isn't that impressive. -That IEM Shanghai semifinals came off the back of beating Dark and nobody else of note. (Yes, he beat iAsonu which GuMiho didn't, but he had the benefit of being able to watch his ZvT before the series which GuMiho did not) -TY beat absolutely nobody of note at GSL vs The World and that tournament was a complete joke due to being a popularity contest. (Scarlett and Showtime at an event that is supposedly pitting the top non-Koreans against the top Koreans? Scarlett brings world class whining and nothing else. Showtime isn't close to the player he was in 2016) TY does play in some online tournaments. Take a look at one of the only major online tournaments: Master's Coliseum. -GuMiho won the 1st which included eliminating TY in the group stages. -GuMiho made the ro8 in the 2nd while TY was eliminated in the group stages though TY's group was by far the hardest. (he went 2-6 in maps though and finished last...) So, what I take from this is that....TY doesn't have the best results, but they are still better than Gumiho's. Offline > Online every day of the week. Beating Dark in a series is quite the achievement, given that Dark is either the greatest or second-greatest Zerg currently playing. It's also something that Gumiho has never managed to do–Dark 8-0 Gumiho in career records. Also, TY beat Neeb and soO to get to the GSL vs the World finals. If you want to call soO, outside of a finals no less, "absolutely nobody of note" then I think it's safe to discount Gumiho's GSL Season 2 trophy as well. Ergo, TY > Gumiho. On October 18 2017 10:14 Phredxor wrote: Some nice liquid bias you got going there. Otherwise you'd go to the next logical step that Flash beats Taeja H2H. Sorry friend, but Fango beat you to the party: On October 18 2017 06:15 Fango wrote: TRUE beats Taeja head-to-head and TL had the nerve to put him 15th....smh On October 18 2017 06:48 pvsnp wrote: Clearly another case of egregious Liquid bias. TRUE is the one true GOAT. The throne is his by rights. All those who deny that are my foes. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On October 18 2017 10:25 Phredxor wrote: Rats. I'll allow it though. Tbh I only embraced TRUE for the puns. Also because I couldn't resist slipping in that shoutout. | ||
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blind429
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