• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 13:35
CET 19:35
KST 03:35
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book4Clem wins HomeStory Cup 287HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info4herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2RSL Season 4 announced for March-April7Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info Clem wins HomeStory Cup 28 HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview
Tourneys
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026 HomeStory Cup 28 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April
Strategy
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report
Brood War
General
Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? StarCraft player reflex TE scores [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Gypsy to Korea 2024 BoxeR's birthday message
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread EVE Corporation Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1268 users

GuMiho: Pandemonium in a Bottle - Rank 9 - Road to BlizzCo…

Forum Index > SC2 General
115 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 17 2017 15:20 GMT
#21
Neeb would 3-0 Gumiho while being able to wear a different warchest portrait of himself every game
Neosteel Enthusiast
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7159 Posts
October 17 2017 15:22 GMT
#22
On October 18 2017 00:19 engesser1 wrote:
Not losing but respect. His games, it's an art style. He did so many this year, so much addictable. He rediscovered mech, tons of builds, and so much crazy things in GSL! RESPECT HIM! god damn.

You know you can respect him even though he was placed under neeb on a list that has no impact on what is about to come. I'm not getting my panties in a twist even though i think Serral > Elazer, because it really does not matter. Just see how the games go and chill.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
React42
Profile Joined August 2017
United States12 Posts
October 17 2017 15:23 GMT
#23
Well, I sort of figured we'd see at least one Korean (not counting True) placed below Neeb. I'll be damned if Neeb isn't next on the list though.
NyuBPrime
Profile Joined January 2017
22 Posts
October 17 2017 15:24 GMT
#24
If ranking were only defined by head to head results they would be fucked up by any "triangle" situation^^
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
October 17 2017 15:24 GMT
#25
It looks like he has been humiliated in the public square for engesser1 ...
TL+ Member
engesser1
Profile Blog Joined December 2016
264 Posts
October 17 2017 15:25 GMT
#26
Give the opportunity to KR pros play again WCS and we'll see the real meaning of your words.
Maru, he is the reason why i'm still playing and watching sc2
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 15:27:48
October 17 2017 15:25 GMT
#27
Gumiho is the obvious pick as the last korean, and I also think he is a better player than Neeb.

But you can look at blizzcon groups and argue that Neeb has a better shot at reaching the ro8, so putting Neeb>Gumiho can be justified in that sense
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
React42
Profile Joined August 2017
United States12 Posts
October 17 2017 15:29 GMT
#28
On October 18 2017 00:25 engesser1 wrote:
Give the opportunity to KR pros play again WCS and we'll see the real meaning of your words.


Well that's exactly what's going to happen in 10 days or so.
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
October 17 2017 15:42 GMT
#29
Code A player better than GSL winner confirmed.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
LtCalley
Profile Joined March 2011
United States244 Posts
October 17 2017 15:52 GMT
#30
On October 18 2017 00:42 Morbidius wrote:
Code A player better than GSL winner confirmed.


gumiho didn't even make it to the quarterfinals of the qualifier of the kespa cup that Neeb won. i completely fail to see your point here.
"No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you" - Homer Simpson
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
October 17 2017 15:52 GMT
#31
stay mad TL lul
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
October 17 2017 15:54 GMT
#32
On October 18 2017 00:52 LtCalley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 00:42 Morbidius wrote:
Code A player better than GSL winner confirmed.


gumiho didn't even make it to the quarterfinals of the qualifier of the kespa cup that Neeb won. i completely fail to see your point here.

Why isn't Mvp #1 in this power rank? I heard he was the best in the world in 2011.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 17 2017 15:55 GMT
#33
On October 18 2017 00:16 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 00:10 Ej_ wrote:
On October 18 2017 00:05 DieuCure wrote:
On October 17 2017 23:37 Ej_ wrote:
This placement is a disgrace.


Rofl no, it was really predictable between him and Neeb.

GSL winner vs a guy who placed lower than NoRegret.


Gumiho had the run of his life, then nothing in offline tournaments compared to the top top, sure they are near for the powerrank and maybe a little biaised because it's the best foreigners etc

This is wrong to the point of being a straight up lie.

Neeb and GuMiho's winrates versus opponents from South Korea, starting from the day after the GSL final GuMiho won:
http://aligulac.com/players/4495/results/?after=2017-06-24&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
http://aligulac.com/players/44/results/?after=2017-06-25&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=

GuMiho has higher winrate across twice as many games.
Now, let's check what happens if we remove players with 0 broadcasted offline appearances in Korea in that period from both players' records:
Neeb:
-(3-0 Natural)
-(2-0 gyulzzing)
-(2-0 Billowy)
-(10-0 TRUE)

GuMiho:
-(6-1 Billowy)
-(2-0 MyuNgSiK)
-(1-0 SuperNova)
-(2-0 Natural)
-(2-0 HerO)
-(2-0 Spear)
-(2-0 블랙맘바)
-(2-0 gyulzzing)

Neeb's record goes from 61-46 to 44-46. Yes, that's below 50%. 48,9%, to be precise.
GuMiho's record goes from 143-102 to 124-101. That is 55,1%.

I don't know when Neeb was in Korea and when in the NA so I don't have the expertise to filter his Olimoleague games where obviously he had to deal with high ping (not that playing from Europe stopped Nerchio from 2-0ing Classic).

The only 2 offline tournaments they both played in was GSL Season 3 where Neeb was eliminated in winners and losers bracket by Hurricane and GuMiho advanced from his ro32 group over Elazer twice and then lost to Solar and a rematch to INnoVation in ro16.

I know I'm just being baited by a troll that's been banned countless on reddit, but somehow barely gets actioned on this website, but this is more food for thought for anyone who thought Neeb and GuMiho were close, even excluding their lopsided H2H.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
LtCalley
Profile Joined March 2011
United States244 Posts
October 17 2017 15:56 GMT
#34
On October 18 2017 00:54 Morbidius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 00:52 LtCalley wrote:
On October 18 2017 00:42 Morbidius wrote:
Code A player better than GSL winner confirmed.


gumiho didn't even make it to the quarterfinals of the qualifier of the kespa cup that Neeb won. i completely fail to see your point here.

Why isn't Mvp #1 in this power rank? I heard he was the best in the world in 2011.


nice straw man, and a completely idiotic response to my post. but thanks for your contribution
"No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you" - Homer Simpson
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
October 17 2017 15:58 GMT
#35
On October 18 2017 00:56 LtCalley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 00:54 Morbidius wrote:
On October 18 2017 00:52 LtCalley wrote:
On October 18 2017 00:42 Morbidius wrote:
Code A player better than GSL winner confirmed.


gumiho didn't even make it to the quarterfinals of the qualifier of the kespa cup that Neeb won. i completely fail to see your point here.

Why isn't Mvp #1 in this power rank? I heard he was the best in the world in 2011.


nice straw man, and a completely idiotic response to my post. but thanks for your contribution

God forbid i value results from 2 months ago more than what happened a year ago when judging form.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 16:02:46
October 17 2017 16:02 GMT
#36
So soO is going to be higher than Gumiho despite not winning anything in the whole year?
I think number 9 should be soO, then Gumiho/Neeb
Faker is the GOAT!
jy_9876543210
Profile Joined March 2016
265 Posts
October 17 2017 16:06 GMT
#37
OMG Neeb > Gumiho confirmed.
Phase 1: F2    Phase 2: A   Phase 3: Profit!
engesser1
Profile Blog Joined December 2016
264 Posts
October 17 2017 16:07 GMT
#38
No, #8 is for soO, then #7 is Stats (for sure), #6 some guy who was called Dictator, #5-#2 dudes from Korea, and #1 is Neeb. Very clear.
Maru, he is the reason why i'm still playing and watching sc2
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
October 17 2017 16:13 GMT
#39
I can accept Neeb ahead of GuMiho, but what in the hell has soO done to deserve being ranked ahead of him? GuMiho won the 1st Master's Coliseum since winning GSL season 2 and that's more impressive than anything soO has done since those finals.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 17 2017 16:19 GMT
#40
Now I want to see some other Korean be number 8 rather than Neeb just to see how much whining that engenders.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
16:55
FSL TeamLeague Season Opener
Freeedom36
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 219
trigger 106
JuggernautJason88
BRAT_OK 88
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 39029
firebathero 235
Hyun 107
Mong 75
sSak 31
Shuttle 31
Free 30
Shine 29
Yoon 25
Aegong 23
[ Show more ]
IntoTheRainbow 15
sas.Sziky 8
ivOry 4
yabsab 3
Dota 2
qojqva2919
singsing2883
Dendi987
Counter-Strike
fl0m3250
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King117
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor668
Liquid`Hasu472
MindelVK17
Other Games
Grubby2932
FrodaN2328
Mlord566
KnowMe125
Hui .109
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV1551
gamesdonequick1440
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 61
• printf 32
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV301
League of Legends
• Jankos3417
• TFBlade801
• Shiphtur258
Counter-Strike
• C_a_k_e 1595
Other Games
• imaqtpie1193
Upcoming Events
Ladder Legends
26m
AI Arena Tournament
1h 26m
Replay Cast
5h 26m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
17h 26m
WardiTV Winter Champion…
20h 26m
OSC
1d 5h
Replay Cast
1d 14h
Wardi Open
1d 17h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 22h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
LiuLi Cup
2 days
PiGosaur Monday
3 days
LiuLi Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
LiuLi Cup
4 days
Online Event
5 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS4
HSC XXVIII
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.