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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 17 2017 15:20 GMT
#21
Neeb would 3-0 Gumiho while being able to wear a different warchest portrait of himself every game
Neosteel Enthusiast
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7104 Posts
October 17 2017 15:22 GMT
#22
On October 18 2017 00:19 engesser1 wrote:
Not losing but respect. His games, it's an art style. He did so many this year, so much addictable. He rediscovered mech, tons of builds, and so much crazy things in GSL! RESPECT HIM! god damn.

You know you can respect him even though he was placed under neeb on a list that has no impact on what is about to come. I'm not getting my panties in a twist even though i think Serral > Elazer, because it really does not matter. Just see how the games go and chill.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
React42
Profile Joined August 2017
United States12 Posts
October 17 2017 15:23 GMT
#23
Well, I sort of figured we'd see at least one Korean (not counting True) placed below Neeb. I'll be damned if Neeb isn't next on the list though.
NyuBPrime
Profile Joined January 2017
22 Posts
October 17 2017 15:24 GMT
#24
If ranking were only defined by head to head results they would be fucked up by any "triangle" situation^^
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
October 17 2017 15:24 GMT
#25
It looks like he has been humiliated in the public square for engesser1 ...
TL+ Member
engesser1
Profile Blog Joined December 2016
264 Posts
October 17 2017 15:25 GMT
#26
Give the opportunity to KR pros play again WCS and we'll see the real meaning of your words.
Maru, he is the reason why i'm still playing and watching sc2
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 15:27:48
October 17 2017 15:25 GMT
#27
Gumiho is the obvious pick as the last korean, and I also think he is a better player than Neeb.

But you can look at blizzcon groups and argue that Neeb has a better shot at reaching the ro8, so putting Neeb>Gumiho can be justified in that sense
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
React42
Profile Joined August 2017
United States12 Posts
October 17 2017 15:29 GMT
#28
On October 18 2017 00:25 engesser1 wrote:
Give the opportunity to KR pros play again WCS and we'll see the real meaning of your words.


Well that's exactly what's going to happen in 10 days or so.
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
October 17 2017 15:42 GMT
#29
Code A player better than GSL winner confirmed.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
LtCalley
Profile Joined March 2011
United States244 Posts
October 17 2017 15:52 GMT
#30
On October 18 2017 00:42 Morbidius wrote:
Code A player better than GSL winner confirmed.


gumiho didn't even make it to the quarterfinals of the qualifier of the kespa cup that Neeb won. i completely fail to see your point here.
"No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you" - Homer Simpson
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
October 17 2017 15:52 GMT
#31
stay mad TL lul
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
October 17 2017 15:54 GMT
#32
On October 18 2017 00:52 LtCalley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 00:42 Morbidius wrote:
Code A player better than GSL winner confirmed.


gumiho didn't even make it to the quarterfinals of the qualifier of the kespa cup that Neeb won. i completely fail to see your point here.

Why isn't Mvp #1 in this power rank? I heard he was the best in the world in 2011.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 17 2017 15:55 GMT
#33
On October 18 2017 00:16 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 00:10 Ej_ wrote:
On October 18 2017 00:05 DieuCure wrote:
On October 17 2017 23:37 Ej_ wrote:
This placement is a disgrace.


Rofl no, it was really predictable between him and Neeb.

GSL winner vs a guy who placed lower than NoRegret.


Gumiho had the run of his life, then nothing in offline tournaments compared to the top top, sure they are near for the powerrank and maybe a little biaised because it's the best foreigners etc

This is wrong to the point of being a straight up lie.

Neeb and GuMiho's winrates versus opponents from South Korea, starting from the day after the GSL final GuMiho won:
http://aligulac.com/players/4495/results/?after=2017-06-24&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
http://aligulac.com/players/44/results/?after=2017-06-25&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=

GuMiho has higher winrate across twice as many games.
Now, let's check what happens if we remove players with 0 broadcasted offline appearances in Korea in that period from both players' records:
Neeb:
-(3-0 Natural)
-(2-0 gyulzzing)
-(2-0 Billowy)
-(10-0 TRUE)

GuMiho:
-(6-1 Billowy)
-(2-0 MyuNgSiK)
-(1-0 SuperNova)
-(2-0 Natural)
-(2-0 HerO)
-(2-0 Spear)
-(2-0 블랙맘바)
-(2-0 gyulzzing)

Neeb's record goes from 61-46 to 44-46. Yes, that's below 50%. 48,9%, to be precise.
GuMiho's record goes from 143-102 to 124-101. That is 55,1%.

I don't know when Neeb was in Korea and when in the NA so I don't have the expertise to filter his Olimoleague games where obviously he had to deal with high ping (not that playing from Europe stopped Nerchio from 2-0ing Classic).

The only 2 offline tournaments they both played in was GSL Season 3 where Neeb was eliminated in winners and losers bracket by Hurricane and GuMiho advanced from his ro32 group over Elazer twice and then lost to Solar and a rematch to INnoVation in ro16.

I know I'm just being baited by a troll that's been banned countless on reddit, but somehow barely gets actioned on this website, but this is more food for thought for anyone who thought Neeb and GuMiho were close, even excluding their lopsided H2H.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
LtCalley
Profile Joined March 2011
United States244 Posts
October 17 2017 15:56 GMT
#34
On October 18 2017 00:54 Morbidius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 00:52 LtCalley wrote:
On October 18 2017 00:42 Morbidius wrote:
Code A player better than GSL winner confirmed.


gumiho didn't even make it to the quarterfinals of the qualifier of the kespa cup that Neeb won. i completely fail to see your point here.

Why isn't Mvp #1 in this power rank? I heard he was the best in the world in 2011.


nice straw man, and a completely idiotic response to my post. but thanks for your contribution
"No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you" - Homer Simpson
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
October 17 2017 15:58 GMT
#35
On October 18 2017 00:56 LtCalley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 00:54 Morbidius wrote:
On October 18 2017 00:52 LtCalley wrote:
On October 18 2017 00:42 Morbidius wrote:
Code A player better than GSL winner confirmed.


gumiho didn't even make it to the quarterfinals of the qualifier of the kespa cup that Neeb won. i completely fail to see your point here.

Why isn't Mvp #1 in this power rank? I heard he was the best in the world in 2011.


nice straw man, and a completely idiotic response to my post. but thanks for your contribution

God forbid i value results from 2 months ago more than what happened a year ago when judging form.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 16:02:46
October 17 2017 16:02 GMT
#36
So soO is going to be higher than Gumiho despite not winning anything in the whole year?
I think number 9 should be soO, then Gumiho/Neeb
Faker is the GOAT!
jy_9876543210
Profile Joined March 2016
265 Posts
October 17 2017 16:06 GMT
#37
OMG Neeb > Gumiho confirmed.
Phase 1: F2    Phase 2: A   Phase 3: Profit!
engesser1
Profile Blog Joined December 2016
264 Posts
October 17 2017 16:07 GMT
#38
No, #8 is for soO, then #7 is Stats (for sure), #6 some guy who was called Dictator, #5-#2 dudes from Korea, and #1 is Neeb. Very clear.
Maru, he is the reason why i'm still playing and watching sc2
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
October 17 2017 16:13 GMT
#39
I can accept Neeb ahead of GuMiho, but what in the hell has soO done to deserve being ranked ahead of him? GuMiho won the 1st Master's Coliseum since winning GSL season 2 and that's more impressive than anything soO has done since those finals.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 17 2017 16:19 GMT
#40
Now I want to see some other Korean be number 8 rather than Neeb just to see how much whining that engenders.
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