WCSOn October 18 2017 10:22 pvsnp wrote:
So, what I take from this is that....TY doesn't have the best results, but they are still better than Gumiho's. Offline > Online every day of the week.
Beating Dark in a series is quite the achievement, given that Dark is either the greatest or second-greatest Zerg currently playing. It's also something that Gumiho has never managed to do–Dark 8-0 Gumiho in career records. Also, TY beat Neeb and soO to get to the GSL vs the World finals. If you want to call soO, outside of a finals no less, "absolutely nobody of note" then I think it's safe to discount Gumiho's GSL Season 2 trophy as well.
Ergo, TY > Gumiho.
Sorry friend, but Fango beat you to the party:
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On October 18 2017 09:34 Boggyb wrote:
-TY's ro16 GSL S3 was by far the easiest of the 4, so getting one round further than GuMiho isn't that impressive.
-That IEM Shanghai semifinals came off the back of beating Dark and nobody else of note. (Yes, he beat iAsonu which GuMiho didn't, but he had the benefit of being able to watch his ZvT before the series which GuMiho did not)
-TY beat absolutely nobody of note at GSL vs The World and that tournament was a complete joke due to being a popularity contest. (Scarlett and Showtime at an event that is supposedly pitting the top non-Koreans against the top Koreans? Scarlett brings world class whining and nothing else. Showtime isn't close to the player he was in 2016)
TY does play in some online tournaments. Take a look at one of the only major online tournaments: Master's Coliseum.
-GuMiho won the 1st which included eliminating TY in the group stages.
-GuMiho made the ro8 in the 2nd while TY was eliminated in the group stages though TY's group was by far the hardest. (he went 2-6 in maps though and finished last...)
On October 18 2017 08:40 pvsnp wrote:
Gumiho's most recent offline trophy was winning GSL Season 2. Since then he has gotten no further than the Ro16 of any big tournament.
TY's most recent offline trophy was way back in March. But while Gumiho's been dropping out in the Ro16, TY has gotten to the quarterfinals of GSL S3, the semifinals of IEM Shanghai, and the finals of GSL vs the World.
Gumiho plays some online stuff, but TY basically never does, so it's hard to draw any conclusions from that. On the balance, I would put TY > Gumiho more than the other way around.
On October 18 2017 08:23 leublix wrote:
Well, the power ranking should be more about current form then overall season achievements. TY clearly (imo) had a better year than gumiho but he didn't look particularly strong lately.
On October 18 2017 03:35 pvsnp wrote:
They talk about the $$$. It was a well-paid showmatch.
At this point, I think it would be fairly straightforward to finalize the Terran hierarchy for 2017. Inno is unquestionably first. TY clearly takes second. After that though, it gets murkier. Maru, then Gumiho, then ByuN, then aLive, then Ryung, would be my ranking. But I can see how people could rank them differently.
They talk about the $$$. It was a well-paid showmatch.
At this point, I think it would be fairly straightforward to finalize the Terran hierarchy for 2017. Inno is unquestionably first. TY clearly takes second. After that though, it gets murkier. Maru, then Gumiho, then ByuN, then aLive, then Ryung, would be my ranking. But I can see how people could rank them differently.
Well, the power ranking should be more about current form then overall season achievements. TY clearly (imo) had a better year than gumiho but he didn't look particularly strong lately.
Gumiho's most recent offline trophy was winning GSL Season 2. Since then he has gotten no further than the Ro16 of any big tournament.
TY's most recent offline trophy was way back in March. But while Gumiho's been dropping out in the Ro16, TY has gotten to the quarterfinals of GSL S3, the semifinals of IEM Shanghai, and the finals of GSL vs the World.
Gumiho plays some online stuff, but TY basically never does, so it's hard to draw any conclusions from that. On the balance, I would put TY > Gumiho more than the other way around.
-TY's ro16 GSL S3 was by far the easiest of the 4, so getting one round further than GuMiho isn't that impressive.
-That IEM Shanghai semifinals came off the back of beating Dark and nobody else of note. (Yes, he beat iAsonu which GuMiho didn't, but he had the benefit of being able to watch his ZvT before the series which GuMiho did not)
-TY beat absolutely nobody of note at GSL vs The World and that tournament was a complete joke due to being a popularity contest. (Scarlett and Showtime at an event that is supposedly pitting the top non-Koreans against the top Koreans? Scarlett brings world class whining and nothing else. Showtime isn't close to the player he was in 2016)
TY does play in some online tournaments. Take a look at one of the only major online tournaments: Master's Coliseum.
-GuMiho won the 1st which included eliminating TY in the group stages.
-GuMiho made the ro8 in the 2nd while TY was eliminated in the group stages though TY's group was by far the hardest. (he went 2-6 in maps though and finished last...)
So, what I take from this is that....TY doesn't have the best results, but they are still better than Gumiho's. Offline > Online every day of the week.
Beating Dark in a series is quite the achievement, given that Dark is either the greatest or second-greatest Zerg currently playing. It's also something that Gumiho has never managed to do–Dark 8-0 Gumiho in career records. Also, TY beat Neeb and soO to get to the GSL vs the World finals. If you want to call soO, outside of a finals no less, "absolutely nobody of note" then I think it's safe to discount Gumiho's GSL Season 2 trophy as well.
Ergo, TY > Gumiho.
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On October 18 2017 10:14 Phredxor wrote:
Some nice liquid bias you got going there. Otherwise you'd go to the next logical step that Flash beats Taeja H2H.
On October 18 2017 05:57 pvsnp wrote:
Mvp was the GOAT but Inno beat him H2H so he is GOAT but Taeja beat him H2H so thefore Taeja confirmed GOAT.
It is known.
On October 18 2017 04:04 Heartland wrote:
bringing us all back to the fact that the Unofficial World Champion is the only true way to measure Starcraft skill
On October 18 2017 03:43 Charoisaur wrote:
he also beat Neeb who is a better player than Gumiho
On October 18 2017 03:30 Fango wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot about TY winning that bo7 showmatch against Maru. People never seem to talk about it on here for some reason
On October 18 2017 03:25 Olli wrote:
2 wins, WESG too.
On October 18 2017 03:24 Fango wrote:
You realise that "one amazing run" is more accurate to describe Gumiho's year right?
Over the entirety of 2017, Gumiho has 2 ro8 finishes and a win. TY has 3 ro8 finshes, a ro4, a final, and a win
On October 18 2017 02:52 Boggyb wrote:
A single amazing run basically describes TY's 2017. Not only that, but TY's was 7 months ago compared to GuMiho's being approximately 4. In terms of current form, you can argue TY over GuMiho, but it isn't a super credible argument.
On October 18 2017 02:44 pvsnp wrote:
Lmao at all this controversy. Maybe Gumiho is better than Neeb, maybe not. There's a reasonable argument to be made either way, and I expected Neeb to outrank at least one Korean in any case. Of all the Koreans, Gumiho's 2017 achievements are by far the least impressive. A single amazing run and nothing else does not a legend make. The fanboy rage is amusing, but immaterial.
Next spot could be Neeb, or TY, or soO.
Lmao at all this controversy. Maybe Gumiho is better than Neeb, maybe not. There's a reasonable argument to be made either way, and I expected Neeb to outrank at least one Korean in any case. Of all the Koreans, Gumiho's 2017 achievements are by far the least impressive. A single amazing run and nothing else does not a legend make. The fanboy rage is amusing, but immaterial.
Next spot could be Neeb, or TY, or soO.
A single amazing run basically describes TY's 2017. Not only that, but TY's was 7 months ago compared to GuMiho's being approximately 4. In terms of current form, you can argue TY over GuMiho, but it isn't a super credible argument.
You realise that "one amazing run" is more accurate to describe Gumiho's year right?
Over the entirety of 2017, Gumiho has 2 ro8 finishes and a win. TY has 3 ro8 finshes, a ro4, a final, and a win
2 wins, WESG too.
Oh yeah, I forgot about TY winning that bo7 showmatch against Maru. People never seem to talk about it on here for some reason
he also beat Neeb who is a better player than Gumiho
bringing us all back to the fact that the Unofficial World Champion is the only true way to measure Starcraft skill
Mvp was the GOAT but Inno beat him H2H so he is GOAT but Taeja beat him H2H so thefore Taeja confirmed GOAT.
It is known.
Some nice liquid bias you got going there. Otherwise you'd go to the next logical step that Flash beats Taeja H2H.
Sorry friend, but Fango beat you to the party:
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On October 18 2017 06:15 Fango wrote:
TRUE beats Taeja head-to-head and TL had the nerve to put him 15th....smh
On October 18 2017 05:57 pvsnp wrote:
Mvp was the GOAT but Inno beat him H2H so he is GOAT but Taeja beat him H2H so thefore Taeja confirmed GOAT.
It is known.
On October 18 2017 04:04 Heartland wrote:
bringing us all back to the fact that the Unofficial World Champion is the only true way to measure Starcraft skill
On October 18 2017 03:43 Charoisaur wrote:
he also beat Neeb who is a better player than Gumiho
On October 18 2017 03:30 Fango wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot about TY winning that bo7 showmatch against Maru. People never seem to talk about it on here for some reason
On October 18 2017 03:25 Olli wrote:
2 wins, WESG too.
On October 18 2017 03:24 Fango wrote:
You realise that "one amazing run" is more accurate to describe Gumiho's year right?
Over the entirety of 2017, Gumiho has 2 ro8 finishes and a win. TY has 3 ro8 finshes, a ro4, a final, and a win
On October 18 2017 02:52 Boggyb wrote:
A single amazing run basically describes TY's 2017. Not only that, but TY's was 7 months ago compared to GuMiho's being approximately 4. In terms of current form, you can argue TY over GuMiho, but it isn't a super credible argument.
On October 18 2017 02:44 pvsnp wrote:
Lmao at all this controversy. Maybe Gumiho is better than Neeb, maybe not. There's a reasonable argument to be made either way, and I expected Neeb to outrank at least one Korean in any case. Of all the Koreans, Gumiho's 2017 achievements are by far the least impressive. A single amazing run and nothing else does not a legend make. The fanboy rage is amusing, but immaterial.
Next spot could be Neeb, or TY, or soO.
Lmao at all this controversy. Maybe Gumiho is better than Neeb, maybe not. There's a reasonable argument to be made either way, and I expected Neeb to outrank at least one Korean in any case. Of all the Koreans, Gumiho's 2017 achievements are by far the least impressive. A single amazing run and nothing else does not a legend make. The fanboy rage is amusing, but immaterial.
Next spot could be Neeb, or TY, or soO.
A single amazing run basically describes TY's 2017. Not only that, but TY's was 7 months ago compared to GuMiho's being approximately 4. In terms of current form, you can argue TY over GuMiho, but it isn't a super credible argument.
You realise that "one amazing run" is more accurate to describe Gumiho's year right?
Over the entirety of 2017, Gumiho has 2 ro8 finishes and a win. TY has 3 ro8 finshes, a ro4, a final, and a win
2 wins, WESG too.
Oh yeah, I forgot about TY winning that bo7 showmatch against Maru. People never seem to talk about it on here for some reason
he also beat Neeb who is a better player than Gumiho
bringing us all back to the fact that the Unofficial World Champion is the only true way to measure Starcraft skill
Mvp was the GOAT but Inno beat him H2H so he is GOAT but Taeja beat him H2H so thefore Taeja confirmed GOAT.
It is known.
TRUE beats Taeja head-to-head and TL had the nerve to put him 15th....smh
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On October 18 2017 06:48 pvsnp wrote:
Clearly another case of egregious Liquid bias.
TRUE is the one true GOAT. The throne is his by rights. All those who deny that are my foes.
On October 18 2017 06:15 Fango wrote:
TRUE beats Taeja head-to-head and TL had the nerve to put him 15th....smh
On October 18 2017 05:57 pvsnp wrote:
Mvp was the GOAT but Inno beat him H2H so he is GOAT but Taeja beat him H2H so thefore Taeja confirmed GOAT.
It is known.
On October 18 2017 04:04 Heartland wrote:
bringing us all back to the fact that the Unofficial World Champion is the only true way to measure Starcraft skill
On October 18 2017 03:43 Charoisaur wrote:
he also beat Neeb who is a better player than Gumiho
On October 18 2017 03:30 Fango wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot about TY winning that bo7 showmatch against Maru. People never seem to talk about it on here for some reason
On October 18 2017 03:25 Olli wrote:
2 wins, WESG too.
On October 18 2017 03:24 Fango wrote:
You realise that "one amazing run" is more accurate to describe Gumiho's year right?
Over the entirety of 2017, Gumiho has 2 ro8 finishes and a win. TY has 3 ro8 finshes, a ro4, a final, and a win
On October 18 2017 02:52 Boggyb wrote:
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A single amazing run basically describes TY's 2017. Not only that, but TY's was 7 months ago compared to GuMiho's being approximately 4. In terms of current form, you can argue TY over GuMiho, but it isn't a super credible argument.
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A single amazing run basically describes TY's 2017. Not only that, but TY's was 7 months ago compared to GuMiho's being approximately 4. In terms of current form, you can argue TY over GuMiho, but it isn't a super credible argument.
You realise that "one amazing run" is more accurate to describe Gumiho's year right?
Over the entirety of 2017, Gumiho has 2 ro8 finishes and a win. TY has 3 ro8 finshes, a ro4, a final, and a win
2 wins, WESG too.
Oh yeah, I forgot about TY winning that bo7 showmatch against Maru. People never seem to talk about it on here for some reason
he also beat Neeb who is a better player than Gumiho
bringing us all back to the fact that the Unofficial World Champion is the only true way to measure Starcraft skill
Mvp was the GOAT but Inno beat him H2H so he is GOAT but Taeja beat him H2H so thefore Taeja confirmed GOAT.
It is known.
TRUE beats Taeja head-to-head and TL had the nerve to put him 15th....smh
Clearly another case of egregious Liquid bias.
TRUE is the one true GOAT. The throne is his by rights. All those who deny that are my foes.
Gumiho beat TY in his GSL win
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