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On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement.
That was a very impressive 1-7. That one map win completely closed the gap.
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On August 07 2017 20:43 Fango wrote:
Kela was up 50 supply and the game was still dead even for 20 mins lol
that's tvt in lotv though, the matchup is truly terrible.
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yea cheesing on a 4p map takes so much skill lmao and unable to close the game with 10 times your opponents income.
kelazhur gambled hard, got lucky, got far ahead, still almost lost because hes an inferior player compared to TY.
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On August 08 2017 03:15 paxconsciente wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2017 20:43 Fango wrote:
Kela was up 50 supply and the game was still dead even for 20 mins lol that's tvt in lotv though, the matchup is truly terrible.
In this case it was entirely on Kelazhur, since for most of the game, the only thing that kind of kept TY in it was his air advantage. Kelazhur's economic lead was so gigantic he could have easily afforded to go into multiple starports and take the air dominance himself. With an air advantage, he wouldn't have had to be so scared of TY's tank count.
On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement.
On the one hand you complain about 'prejudiced narratives', on the other hand you give him praise for winning 1 game against a top Korean like it's still 2014 and those things never happen.
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On August 08 2017 03:15 paxconsciente wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2017 20:43 Fango wrote:
Kela was up 50 supply and the game was still dead even for 20 mins lol that's tvt in lotv though, the matchup is truly terrible.
t v t is my favourite matchup in lotv to both watch and play.
especially with the new dominion special forces skins 
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On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement.
watch the actual game. kelazhur was up in supply and bases the entire time and still barely won. i seriously thought he was gonna lose, because TY was stomping his production with a superior army. but he messed up the base trade.
whereas in the neeb match, neeb played really well and could have won but lost the final engage.
7-1. prejudice? lol facts don't care about your feelings
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oh also i remember when people were saying region locking was good. in the end, it accelerated the death of sc2 as predicted as the EU and NA matches are boring without koreans, AND as predicted, the foreigners got stomped. Only neeb looked legit.
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On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement.
If you are trying to argue that the gap has closed, why on earth would you use the Teamleague matches? Team World just got their asses handed to them 7-1; we haven't seen foreigners getting beat down so hard since WESG.
You would have a much better case if you used the individual tourney results. Neeb beat sOs and went 2-3 against TY. MajOr went 2-3 against Stats. These were all close series during which the foreigners legitimately looked equal (at times) to their top-tier Korean opponents.
Team Korea vs Team World was a dumpster fire for the World.
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I think a lot of people itt have an incorrect reading of the kelazhur TY game. The part that's absolutely right is that TY is a better player than kelazhur and would probably win in a proper series. But seriously TY gave a Fantasy gg timing, he never had any chance of winning that game after the basetrade. It kinda looked like he was making a comeback but if you actually look at the info on the screen and not just the army you'd see kelazhur had 2,000+ minerals in the bank and TY had less than 100. the game was already over and TY knew it because he had actually scouted kelazhur's bases mining so it's not like he didn't know how far behind he was as is sometimes the case. He was putting on a show because there was a big audience and that's the only reason the game kept going. It's kind of like the inverse of that Firecake vs ForGG game that made it look like ZvT was a broken mess when really ForGG was being a prick by not leaving the game (it's the 'inverse' because this time it was interesting and fun to watch, so it's okay)
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On August 08 2017 08:39 Dabble wrote:
I think a lot of people itt have an incorrect reading of the kelazhur TY game. The part that's absolutely right is that TY is a better player than kelazhur and would probably win in a proper series. But seriously TY gave a Fantasy gg timing, he never had any chance of winning that game after the basetrade. It kinda looked like he was making a comeback but if you actually look at the info on the screen and not just the army you'd see kelazhur had 2,000+ minerals in the bank and TY had less than 100. the game was already over and TY knew it because he had actually scouted kelazhur's bases mining so it's not like he didn't know how far behind he was as is sometimes the case. He was putting on a show because there was a big audience and that's the only reason the game kept going. It's kind of like the inverse of that Firecake vs ForGG game that made it look like ZvT was a broken mess when really ForGG was being a prick by not leaving the game (it's the 'inverse' because this time it was interesting and fun to watch, so it's okay)
TY had over 100 army supply. In a TvT you never GG with that. Even if you know in your head that the game's 99% lost, you at least try for a basetrade or whatever. If you're behind, you can bet on your opponent making a mistake. And Kela was only one or two control errors of losing.
Besides it's more impressive that TY was 50 supply down and Kela couldn't win for so long. If they were on equal supplies I imagine a very one sided game.
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How on Earth did Hero's army "narrowly" defeat Neeb, he had SEVEN carriers left it was an utter roflstomp.
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srzl you argueing about skill Gaps closing and stuff... its hillarious. Debating about some fictional definitions about Skill levels... It is what it is... Koreans are the best, what all the chattering about. Its a competition, there are winners and losers.
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On August 08 2017 05:05 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. watch the actual game. kelazhur was up in supply and bases the entire time and still barely won. i seriously thought he was gonna lose, because TY was stomping his production with a superior army. but he messed up the base trade. whereas in the neeb match, neeb played really well and could have won but lost the final engage. 7-1. prejudice? lol facts don't care about your feelings
Ure being quite narrowsighted in regard to Kelazhurs game.
First: You introduce the fact that Kela was up in supply as if the game had started that way. Kelazhurs macro skill was top notch. The dmg he did with the cheese wasnt that much to explain his much superior strenght. You gotta praise his Macro.
Second: From the basetrade's get go, TY's economy and therefore, production, was in shambles. So, but for his positioning of troops in the entrance of the natural, he dedicated his attention wholy to his army. With Kelazhur, it was much more complicated, he managed to rebuild his infrastructure and also keep expanding, in a very complex setting, since TY's troops were in the middle of the map. So while Kela managed rebuilding, economy and army, TY was mainly controlling his army and so he had a more efficient use of it.
I do acknowledge TYs decision making with the army better. But in everything else, Kelazhur was superior.
And thats why he won.
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the only problem with tvt is medivac boost being op vs. missile turrets.
tanks are way better than they used to be
also you can play the game without going air in TvT and instead contain the other terran, mass expand, and drop harass to slow down the other player. it's exactly what kela did no? TY was hardcore contained the whole game. It worked best because of the size of the map.
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On August 08 2017 12:22 youngjiddle wrote:
the only problem with tvt is medivac boost being op vs. missile turrets.
tanks are way better than they used to be
also you can play the game without going air in TvT and instead contain the other terran, mass expand, and drop harass to slow down the other player. it's exactly what kela did no? TY was hardcore contained the whole game. It worked best because of the size of the map.
A better example of air-control Terran vs expand-harass Terran is TY vs Inno, with the former prioritizing Vikings/Libs and the latter mass Marines.
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finally got around to watching the team showmatch games. Serral was very impressive. probably would have beaten any terran not named Innovation in that game
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On August 08 2017 10:26 Locutos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 05:05 fishjie wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. watch the actual game. kelazhur was up in supply and bases the entire time and still barely won. i seriously thought he was gonna lose, because TY was stomping his production with a superior army. but he messed up the base trade. whereas in the neeb match, neeb played really well and could have won but lost the final engage. 7-1. prejudice? lol facts don't care about your feelings Ure being quite narrowsighted in regard to Kelazhurs game. First: You introduce the fact that Kela was up in supply as if the game had started that way. Kelazhurs macro skill was top notch. The dmg he did with the cheese wasnt that much to explain his much superior strenght. You gotta praise his Macro. Second: From the basetrade's get go, TY's economy and therefore, production, was in shambles. So, but for his positioning of troops in the entrance of the natural, he dedicated his attention wholy to his army. With Kelazhur, it was much more complicated, he managed to rebuild his infrastructure and also keep expanding, in a very complex setting, since TY's troops were in the middle of the map. So while Kela managed rebuilding, economy and army, TY was mainly controlling his army and so he had a more efficient use of it. I do acknowledge TYs decision making with the army better. But in everything else, Kelazhur was superior. And thats why he won.
moron. oh you're from brazil that figures
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Best part has to be soO dancing roaches. Foreigners can even make a Kong feel like a King, just for a day.
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On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement.
Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments.
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On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments.
Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims.
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