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On August 09 2017 04:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2017 04:07 Bayaz90 wrote:
Nerchio, you have won $240,000 from this game. What is stopping you from training in Korea? The answer is you. Every caster talks about your poor creep spread, yet it doesn't seem like you've made effort to improve it. When foreigners seem like they don't care about being the best they can be at Starcraft, why should we care about them? Foreigners can't expect to be coddled on forums when they aren't putting in their all.
i don't think the foreigners are "bad people"; they are just unwilling to commit to the extra effort it takes to be #1 when not born in Korea. Its no different than if a french speaking baseball pitcher from Quebec, Canada wants to be the best baseball relief pitcher in the world. He has to move to another country and learn how to speak English. If he just stays in Quebec and never learns how to speak English that baseball pitcher will never be the best in the world. And, that guy born in Quebec will have to put in extra work to learn English and assimilate into American/English/MLB culture. This "extra effort" is not required for any really good baseball pitcher born in New York state or California. i'll say it again: until a foreigner is willing to do what grrr did we'll never have a non-Korean world champ. Whether it's Guilliame Patry or Eric Gagne. They've provided the blue print for what it takes. Learn the language of the best, assimilate into the culture of the best. Then .... eat, sleep, breathe and live the game. It is a lot easier to develop into the best baseball pitcher in the world if you're born in New York or California. Its a lot easier to develop into the best Starcraft player in the world if you are born in Korea. Life Ain't Fair.
At this point it doesn't make sense for a foreigner to assimiliate into the korean culture and learn the language because the korean sc2 scene is at its last breaths. there are no team houses anymore so by the time the current generation has to go to military the korean sc2 scene as we know it won't exist anymore. So why waste time assimilating to the culture when there's only a few years left for the korean scene and all your effort will be wasted afterwards?
Also thinking from the perspective of a foreign pro the prize money isn't much higher in korea than in wcs circuit so there's very little motivation to move there. I know from a competitive perspective it would be cool if they'd value prestige over money but those guys are humans and have to make a living afterall.
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On August 09 2017 08:10 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2017 04:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 09 2017 04:07 Bayaz90 wrote:
Nerchio, you have won $240,000 from this game. What is stopping you from training in Korea? The answer is you. Every caster talks about your poor creep spread, yet it doesn't seem like you've made effort to improve it. When foreigners seem like they don't care about being the best they can be at Starcraft, why should we care about them? Foreigners can't expect to be coddled on forums when they aren't putting in their all.
i don't think the foreigners are "bad people"; they are just unwilling to commit to the extra effort it takes to be #1 when not born in Korea. Its no different than if a french speaking baseball pitcher from Quebec, Canada wants to be the best baseball relief pitcher in the world. He has to move to another country and learn how to speak English. If he just stays in Quebec and never learns how to speak English that baseball pitcher will never be the best in the world. And, that guy born in Quebec will have to put in extra work to learn English and assimilate into American/English/MLB culture. This "extra effort" is not required for any really good baseball pitcher born in New York state or California. i'll say it again: until a foreigner is willing to do what grrr did we'll never have a non-Korean world champ. Whether it's Guilliame Patry or Eric Gagne. They've provided the blue print for what it takes. Learn the language of the best, assimilate into the culture of the best. Then .... eat, sleep, breathe and live the game. It is a lot easier to develop into the best baseball pitcher in the world if you're born in New York or California. Its a lot easier to develop into the best Starcraft player in the world if you are born in Korea. Life Ain't Fair. At this point it doesn't make sense for a foreigner to assimiliate into the korean culture and learn the language because the korean sc2 scene is at its last breaths. there are no team houses anymore so by the time the current generation has to go to military the korean sc2 scene as we know it won't exist anymore. So why waste time assimilating to the culture when there's only a few years left for the korean scene and all your effort will be wasted afterwards?
Maybe they just like Korean culture?
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On August 09 2017 08:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2017 08:10 Charoisaur wrote:On August 09 2017 04:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 09 2017 04:07 Bayaz90 wrote:
Nerchio, you have won $240,000 from this game. What is stopping you from training in Korea? The answer is you. Every caster talks about your poor creep spread, yet it doesn't seem like you've made effort to improve it. When foreigners seem like they don't care about being the best they can be at Starcraft, why should we care about them? Foreigners can't expect to be coddled on forums when they aren't putting in their all.
i don't think the foreigners are "bad people"; they are just unwilling to commit to the extra effort it takes to be #1 when not born in Korea. Its no different than if a french speaking baseball pitcher from Quebec, Canada wants to be the best baseball relief pitcher in the world. He has to move to another country and learn how to speak English. If he just stays in Quebec and never learns how to speak English that baseball pitcher will never be the best in the world. And, that guy born in Quebec will have to put in extra work to learn English and assimilate into American/English/MLB culture. This "extra effort" is not required for any really good baseball pitcher born in New York state or California. i'll say it again: until a foreigner is willing to do what grrr did we'll never have a non-Korean world champ. Whether it's Guilliame Patry or Eric Gagne. They've provided the blue print for what it takes. Learn the language of the best, assimilate into the culture of the best. Then .... eat, sleep, breathe and live the game. It is a lot easier to develop into the best baseball pitcher in the world if you're born in New York or California. Its a lot easier to develop into the best Starcraft player in the world if you are born in Korea. Life Ain't Fair. At this point it doesn't make sense for a foreigner to assimiliate into the korean culture and learn the language because the korean sc2 scene is at its last breaths. there are no team houses anymore so by the time the current generation has to go to military the korean sc2 scene as we know it won't exist anymore. So why waste time assimilating to the culture when there's only a few years left for the korean scene and all your effort will be wasted afterwards? Maybe they just like Korean culture?
Sure that's possible but if the question is if they should assimilate to korea for the sole purpose of improving their sc2 skill it doesn't make sense.
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On August 09 2017 08:10 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2017 04:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 09 2017 04:07 Bayaz90 wrote:
Nerchio, you have won $240,000 from this game. What is stopping you from training in Korea? The answer is you. Every caster talks about your poor creep spread, yet it doesn't seem like you've made effort to improve it. When foreigners seem like they don't care about being the best they can be at Starcraft, why should we care about them? Foreigners can't expect to be coddled on forums when they aren't putting in their all.
i don't think the foreigners are "bad people"; they are just unwilling to commit to the extra effort it takes to be #1 when not born in Korea. Its no different than if a french speaking baseball pitcher from Quebec, Canada wants to be the best baseball relief pitcher in the world. He has to move to another country and learn how to speak English. If he just stays in Quebec and never learns how to speak English that baseball pitcher will never be the best in the world. And, that guy born in Quebec will have to put in extra work to learn English and assimilate into American/English/MLB culture. This "extra effort" is not required for any really good baseball pitcher born in New York state or California. i'll say it again: until a foreigner is willing to do what grrr did we'll never have a non-Korean world champ. Whether it's Guilliame Patry or Eric Gagne. They've provided the blue print for what it takes. Learn the language of the best, assimilate into the culture of the best. Then .... eat, sleep, breathe and live the game. It is a lot easier to develop into the best baseball pitcher in the world if you're born in New York or California. Its a lot easier to develop into the best Starcraft player in the world if you are born in Korea. Life Ain't Fair. At this point it doesn't make sense for a foreigner to assimiliate into the korean culture and learn the language because the korean sc2 scene is at its last breaths. there are no team houses anymore so by the time the current generation has to go to military the korean sc2 scene as we know it won't exist anymore. So why waste time assimilating to the culture when there's only a few years left for the korean scene and all your effort will be wasted afterwards? Also thinking from the perspective of a foreign pro the prize money isn't much higher in korea than in wcs circuit so there's very little motivation to move there. I know from a competitive perspective it would be cool if they'd value prestige over money but those guys are humans and have to make a living afterall.
depends how Blizz arranges GSL and WCS in the future. BlizzCon is for more money due to the Warchest. the #1 player in the world usually makes a lot more than any one else and if that #1 player is fluent in both Korean and ENglish they are probably in a position to make more than they can doing anything else.
the probability of Gagne and Patry doing what they did was exceedingly low. i don't know if they did it for the cash. how much cash was out there when Patry started living in Korea? how long had that cash been available? both guys took massive risks. Until Gagne made it to the majors he made 1/20th of what Byun did last year. Minor League baseball players are currently in a labour dispute claiming they make less than the US's minimum hourly wage.
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On August 09 2017 08:10 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2017 04:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 09 2017 04:07 Bayaz90 wrote:
Nerchio, you have won $240,000 from this game. What is stopping you from training in Korea? The answer is you. Every caster talks about your poor creep spread, yet it doesn't seem like you've made effort to improve it. When foreigners seem like they don't care about being the best they can be at Starcraft, why should we care about them? Foreigners can't expect to be coddled on forums when they aren't putting in their all.
i don't think the foreigners are "bad people"; they are just unwilling to commit to the extra effort it takes to be #1 when not born in Korea. Its no different than if a french speaking baseball pitcher from Quebec, Canada wants to be the best baseball relief pitcher in the world. He has to move to another country and learn how to speak English. If he just stays in Quebec and never learns how to speak English that baseball pitcher will never be the best in the world. And, that guy born in Quebec will have to put in extra work to learn English and assimilate into American/English/MLB culture. This "extra effort" is not required for any really good baseball pitcher born in New York state or California. i'll say it again: until a foreigner is willing to do what grrr did we'll never have a non-Korean world champ. Whether it's Guilliame Patry or Eric Gagne. They've provided the blue print for what it takes. Learn the language of the best, assimilate into the culture of the best. Then .... eat, sleep, breathe and live the game. It is a lot easier to develop into the best baseball pitcher in the world if you're born in New York or California. Its a lot easier to develop into the best Starcraft player in the world if you are born in Korea. Life Ain't Fair. At this point it doesn't make sense for a foreigner to assimiliate into the korean culture and learn the language because the korean sc2 scene is at its last breaths. there are no team houses anymore so by the time the current generation has to go to military the korean sc2 scene as we know it won't exist anymore. So why waste time assimilating to the culture when there's only a few years left for the korean scene and all your effort will be wasted afterwards? Also thinking from the perspective of a foreign pro the prize money isn't much higher in korea than in wcs circuit so there's very little motivation to move there. I know from a competitive perspective it would be cool if they'd value prestige over money but those guys are humans and have to make a living afterall.
I think you kinda missed the point of what JimmyJRaynor was saying. Assimilating into Korean culture would be done with the purpose of reaping the most benefits from their practice environment and cut-throat competition. It would not be done with the sole purpose of winning GSL, but rather building the top level skills which would allow a high finish in any tournament no matter the bracket. Thus your counter-argument is kind of moot; he's not saying "go to Korea and win GSL", he's saying "go to Korea and practice until you can win GSL, then you will also win DH, IEM, BlizzCon etc". And those will stick around longer perhaps, and if not they're still a lot more tournaments and a lot more money on the line. Because yeah you're right, it's not worth going to Korea simply to trade WCS for GSL, but it may be worth going to Korea with the endgoal of becoming so good that you will place highly in any given tournament.
Of course it's all hypothetical, but it makes sense.
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On August 09 2017 16:49 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2017 08:10 Charoisaur wrote:On August 09 2017 04:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 09 2017 04:07 Bayaz90 wrote:
Nerchio, you have won $240,000 from this game. What is stopping you from training in Korea? The answer is you. Every caster talks about your poor creep spread, yet it doesn't seem like you've made effort to improve it. When foreigners seem like they don't care about being the best they can be at Starcraft, why should we care about them? Foreigners can't expect to be coddled on forums when they aren't putting in their all.
i don't think the foreigners are "bad people"; they are just unwilling to commit to the extra effort it takes to be #1 when not born in Korea. Its no different than if a french speaking baseball pitcher from Quebec, Canada wants to be the best baseball relief pitcher in the world. He has to move to another country and learn how to speak English. If he just stays in Quebec and never learns how to speak English that baseball pitcher will never be the best in the world. And, that guy born in Quebec will have to put in extra work to learn English and assimilate into American/English/MLB culture. This "extra effort" is not required for any really good baseball pitcher born in New York state or California. i'll say it again: until a foreigner is willing to do what grrr did we'll never have a non-Korean world champ. Whether it's Guilliame Patry or Eric Gagne. They've provided the blue print for what it takes. Learn the language of the best, assimilate into the culture of the best. Then .... eat, sleep, breathe and live the game. It is a lot easier to develop into the best baseball pitcher in the world if you're born in New York or California. Its a lot easier to develop into the best Starcraft player in the world if you are born in Korea. Life Ain't Fair. At this point it doesn't make sense for a foreigner to assimiliate into the korean culture and learn the language because the korean sc2 scene is at its last breaths. there are no team houses anymore so by the time the current generation has to go to military the korean sc2 scene as we know it won't exist anymore. So why waste time assimilating to the culture when there's only a few years left for the korean scene and all your effort will be wasted afterwards? Also thinking from the perspective of a foreign pro the prize money isn't much higher in korea than in wcs circuit so there's very little motivation to move there. I know from a competitive perspective it would be cool if they'd value prestige over money but those guys are humans and have to make a living afterall. I think you kinda missed the point of what JimmyJRaynor was saying. Assimilating into Korean culture would be done with the purpose of reaping the most benefits from their practice environment and cut-throat competition. It would not be done with the sole purpose of winning GSL, but rather building the top level skills which would allow a high finish in any tournament no matter the bracket. Thus your counter-argument is kind of moot; he's not saying "go to Korea and win GSL", he's saying "go to Korea and practice until you can win GSL, then you will also win DH, IEM, BlizzCon etc". And those will stick around longer perhaps, and if not they're still a lot more tournaments and a lot more money on the line. Because yeah you're right, it's not worth going to Korea simply to trade WCS for GSL, but it may be worth going to Korea with the endgoal of becoming so good that you will place highly in any given tournament. Of course it's all hypothetical, but it makes sense.
but foreigners are already doing that?
MajOr, Kelazhur, Elazer, Ptitdrogo, Neeb, Scarlett have all gone to korea for practice
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On August 09 2017 17:02 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2017 16:49 207aicila wrote:On August 09 2017 08:10 Charoisaur wrote:On August 09 2017 04:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 09 2017 04:07 Bayaz90 wrote:
Nerchio, you have won $240,000 from this game. What is stopping you from training in Korea? The answer is you. Every caster talks about your poor creep spread, yet it doesn't seem like you've made effort to improve it. When foreigners seem like they don't care about being the best they can be at Starcraft, why should we care about them? Foreigners can't expect to be coddled on forums when they aren't putting in their all.
i don't think the foreigners are "bad people"; they are just unwilling to commit to the extra effort it takes to be #1 when not born in Korea. Its no different than if a french speaking baseball pitcher from Quebec, Canada wants to be the best baseball relief pitcher in the world. He has to move to another country and learn how to speak English. If he just stays in Quebec and never learns how to speak English that baseball pitcher will never be the best in the world. And, that guy born in Quebec will have to put in extra work to learn English and assimilate into American/English/MLB culture. This "extra effort" is not required for any really good baseball pitcher born in New York state or California. i'll say it again: until a foreigner is willing to do what grrr did we'll never have a non-Korean world champ. Whether it's Guilliame Patry or Eric Gagne. They've provided the blue print for what it takes. Learn the language of the best, assimilate into the culture of the best. Then .... eat, sleep, breathe and live the game. It is a lot easier to develop into the best baseball pitcher in the world if you're born in New York or California. Its a lot easier to develop into the best Starcraft player in the world if you are born in Korea. Life Ain't Fair. At this point it doesn't make sense for a foreigner to assimiliate into the korean culture and learn the language because the korean sc2 scene is at its last breaths. there are no team houses anymore so by the time the current generation has to go to military the korean sc2 scene as we know it won't exist anymore. So why waste time assimilating to the culture when there's only a few years left for the korean scene and all your effort will be wasted afterwards? Also thinking from the perspective of a foreign pro the prize money isn't much higher in korea than in wcs circuit so there's very little motivation to move there. I know from a competitive perspective it would be cool if they'd value prestige over money but those guys are humans and have to make a living afterall. I think you kinda missed the point of what JimmyJRaynor was saying. Assimilating into Korean culture would be done with the purpose of reaping the most benefits from their practice environment and cut-throat competition. It would not be done with the sole purpose of winning GSL, but rather building the top level skills which would allow a high finish in any tournament no matter the bracket. Thus your counter-argument is kind of moot; he's not saying "go to Korea and win GSL", he's saying "go to Korea and practice until you can win GSL, then you will also win DH, IEM, BlizzCon etc". And those will stick around longer perhaps, and if not they're still a lot more tournaments and a lot more money on the line. Because yeah you're right, it's not worth going to Korea simply to trade WCS for GSL, but it may be worth going to Korea with the endgoal of becoming so good that you will place highly in any given tournament. Of course it's all hypothetical, but it makes sense. but foreigners are already doing that? MajOr, Kelazhur, Elazer, Ptitdrogo, Neeb, Scarlett have all gone to korea for practice
they have, indeed, but i don't think they put as much effort and as many hours as the top Koreans do. Except Major and Scarlet, the rest of them just boot camp in few months of few weeks, that's definitely not enough.
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Honestly I think every foreigner from here on out should be legal mandated to prostrate themselves in the presence of every Korean pro they see and discontinue the use of any social media in which they might accidentally say something negative about their Korean overlords until the next KR vs Foreigner competition. It's only fair and obviously what the fans want.
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On August 09 2017 18:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Honestly I think every foreigner from here on out should be legal mandated to prostrate themselves in the presence of every Korean pro they see and discontinue the use of any social media in which they might accidentally say something negative about their Korean overlords until the next KR vs Foreigner competition. It's only fair and obviously what the fans want.
Thank you for this wonderfully insightful and constructive post! Not only is it the most helpful post I've ever seen, it's also by far the funniest! You have a very promising career in comedic writing or perhaps even stand-up!
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On August 07 2017 19:27 Espartaquen wrote:
I thought they said the skill gap between foreigners and koreans had closed...
come on now. it's 1-7 instead of 0-8 it would've been before. it's not as big as before.
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Remember when Stephano almost all kills the Korean All Stars at IPL5?
I mean if you look at it that way, technically we've gotten worse.
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On August 09 2017 04:06 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2017 03:42 usopsama wrote:On August 08 2017 15:30 Nerchio wrote:On August 08 2017 15:19 207aicila wrote:On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments. Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims. It was probably not the ideal way to put thoughts on paper but I am not surprised people are fed up and annoyed with some sub-communities that formed and are very loud. Talking to players behind the scenes pretty much nobody says a good word about community approach these days(TL/ Reddit). When a bunch of foreigners shit-talk on stage against the Koreans and then get destroyed 1-7, those cocky shit-talking foreigners deserve all the negative feedback from the community. I have said this before: The foreigners talk big but don't do shit. This statement most certainly includes you. Have you changed the perception of foreigners yet? come on, it's just banter. without that the scene would be boring
What's the difference between shit talk and banter? As far as I can tell, banter is when you fail to follow through while it's legit shit talk if you succeed?
Yeah no, don't work like that.
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On August 12 2017 07:40 PuddleZerg wrote:
Remember when Stephano almost all kills the Korean All Stars at IPL5?
I mean if you look at it that way, technically we've gotten worse.
Yeah... with Stephano we were so much stronger, it was so good to see Life, MC, Seed and Dongraegu get stomped by foreign zerg swarm...
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On August 12 2017 07:45 PuddleZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2017 04:06 Charoisaur wrote:On August 09 2017 03:42 usopsama wrote:On August 08 2017 15:30 Nerchio wrote:On August 08 2017 15:19 207aicila wrote:On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments. Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims. It was probably not the ideal way to put thoughts on paper but I am not surprised people are fed up and annoyed with some sub-communities that formed and are very loud. Talking to players behind the scenes pretty much nobody says a good word about community approach these days(TL/ Reddit). When a bunch of foreigners shit-talk on stage against the Koreans and then get destroyed 1-7, those cocky shit-talking foreigners deserve all the negative feedback from the community. I have said this before: The foreigners talk big but don't do shit. This statement most certainly includes you. Have you changed the perception of foreigners yet? come on, it's just banter. without that the scene would be boring What's the difference between shit talk and banter? As far as I can tell, banter is when you fail to follow through while it's legit shit talk if you succeed? Yeah no, don't work like that.
I always thought it was the opposite. Banter is when you have the muscle to back up your mouth (also has a more friendly connotation). If not, you're just talking shit and can be dismissed as such, i.e. "Talk shit, get hit."
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When a bunch of foreigners shit-talk on stage against the Koreans and then get destroyed 1-7, those cocky shit-talking foreigners deserve all the negative feedback from the community.
I have said this before: The foreigners talk big but don't do shit. This statement most certainly includes you. Have you changed the perception of foreigners yet?
Confidence in one's ability to win is very important in order to win. That's not to say that anyone can be 100% sure that they'll win a game, but if you think you're going to lose then you've probably lost already.
Thoughts are a real thing, they occupy a 'space'. So if your driving thought is: I can win, chances are your follow up thoughts and preparation will be in line with your goal. So you may then spend thoughts, even while dreaming: HOW can I win, how can I give myself the best chance, you may fe study your opponent, you'll perhaps analyze their strengths to avoid and weaknesses to exploit. I won't pretend to understand the unconscious processes we undergo, but if you condition yourself to win, I'd wager your body will also adapt accordingly to aid your mind in it's goal.
On the flipside if you actually think: I can't win, then chances are you won't be actively trying to figure out how to win, or what could give you the best chance. If you actually think you can't win, why prepare? Why show up? Why play the match? To simplify it even more I ask you: How can both thoughts - one that says you can't win, and another trying to figure out how to win both occupy your head space simultaneously? Even if you could alternate between thinking that you can/can't win, every thought used on "I can't win" will be a wasted thought that you didn't spend on "how can I win".
So, every player should always believe that they can win, or they'll be playing at a disadvantage. When people say "confidence is important" it doesn't mean "this intangible could be important". Because even though we may struggle to measure thoughts we know that they exist and that they occupy a space, for further proof - the voice you hear in your head right now, be that yours or mine is probably the only voice in your head at this point in time.
So now that I've explained part of why I think that players greatly benefit from thinking that they can / will win at whatever point in time they're pitted against their opponent (and most successful competitive players of any sport will share this mindset), what are you upset about? About them thinking that they can win? surely not... About them saying it out-loud? well that's sort of the point of the interview mate.
So now we move on to the last barrier here, which is the cultural one. Believe it or not, based on where you're born and who you hang out with you will adopt behaviors that your surrounding culture / society has set. I imagine this would be difficult to notice without knowing / having lived in different places and experienced different cultures.
Every group of people will collectively draw invisible lines in the sand that they deem appropriate or inappropriate to cross. Where I am from (Peru) there is a lot more dissing and shaming, among friends and foes both, people in general tend to be very blunt - like anything else it has advantages and disadvantages but that's another long pack of thoughts.
On the opposite end of the spectrum you have cultures like Korea, where people tend to be far more reserved/mild, especially in public. The lines of what is/isn't proper or acceptable are different for someone born and raised in Korea and someone born and raised in x western culture, to varying degrees. Another clear example you can see in sc2, is girls who cover their faces when the camera is on them, Korean girls do because Korean culture will often shame them or objectify them, non-korean girls don't really react in the same way, because different culture / different conditioning, different cause-effect for the same actions, in this case the action being "you are on camera". Culture isn't exclusive to nations, TL will have it's own culture and reward/punishment systems. For example if I swear too much or insult you too much I could get a warning or a ban - Since I don't want a warning or a ban, i'll try to walk the line. With that simple mechanic of X is the rule or X is acceptable and not falling in line with X will result in a negative consequence, my behavior and thoughts HAVE to adapt to suit my environment (in this case - Team Liquid). We are also our averages, so the more you act or think a certain way, the more it becomes who you are.
For me, "I will show my fans good game" isn't a good enough interview, it says nothing, it's too mild. To Koreans it's just proper, it's what their culture, relative in this instance to gaming interviews / show of confidence dictates. If someone shows themselves as 'too confident' they might be shamed for doing just that, so that they align with the invisible lines Korean Culture has decided to draw in the sand.
I am used to blunt, to real. If the players think they're going to win (and they fucking SHOULD), then that's what I want to hear in their interview, the more spices they pack the more entertained I will be, because that's what I've been conditioned to be entertained by, and bud if you think you can do better than the best foreigners playing the game then the floor is yours, it's easy to judge and criticize based on what you believe, and honestly - you should, because that's how culture is formed and that's how it shifts - if it'll help, think of culture in this instance as a single entity composed of all the people in it, then take the average and boom you have your invisible lines, then comes things like politics and other mechanisms designed to help update, shift, adapt, "advance" culture and a society to help the law reflect that collective average.
These are my thoughts on the matter, my intend is to provide you (and anyone else who cares to read this) with some perspective based on my experience, both as someone who likes to spend time and head space actively think about shit like this and someone who has experienced many cultures extensively with the hope that you use this perspective to re-think your stance and maybe be less judgmental next time
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EPT
