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The majority of the focus going into the final day of GSL vs The World may have been directed at the Grand Final between  TY and INnoVation, but before those two Terrans could do battle, they, and six other Koreans, along with their coach,  NesTea, were set to face off against their foreign rivals, led by another legendary Zerg, Stephano.
 Stats put Korea up 1-0 with a commanding performance. He expertly countered Nerchio's ling/bane/hydra style with immortals and high templars, ramping all the way up to carriers before locking up the game.
sOs bought himself an early lead with a pair of dark templars which steadily increased as his army supply ballooned. ShoWTimE had some nervous moments playing far from behind and ultimately fell as sOs poured into the space between his third and natural.
After Neeb’s dark templars failed to end the game, both players ramped up to five bases. Once there, they found themselves in a basetrade. herO eliminated Neeb's economy before recalling and joining his archons with his carriers. Together they narrowly defeated Neeb’s army.
Kelazhur’s lead was turned into an enormous economic advantage by a basetrade. Barely mining, TY attacked all over the map, but the Brazilian Terran was still producing and mining. It didn't take long for Kelazhur to have a larger army, giving the World Team their first win.
ByuN delayed his expansion, but used the extra resources to fund a reaper/cyclone attack that slowed MajOr's natural command center. ByuN added in a banshee and resumed his assault. The arrival of more cyclones put the nail in the coffin, getting Team Korea back on track.
soO rolled iAsonu in a completely one sided affair. Both players started hatchery first, but it was all soO after that. An early zergling run by put him in the lead, the ling/bane battles that followed increased it and the roaches that arrived soon after put an end to things.
Dark opened with an early pool as he is wont to do against foreigners, killing off Scarlett's hatchery, but not ending the game. Scarlett tried to counter with queens and +1 carapace, but Dark held firm, parlaying the defense into a ravager based attack that earned him the win.
INnoVation and Serral went to the extreme late game, with Serral calling upon ultralisk, vipers and brood lords. INnoVation made significant headway with mass liberators, but was only able to seal the deal when he added ghosts to his composition. From there, Serral could do nothing to stop INnoVation from ending the match with another Korean win, making the final score 7-1.
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What a shame for foreigners... except Khela... and also Serral.. bad luck to be against INno
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I thought they said the skill gap between foreigners and koreans had closed...
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On August 07 2017 19:27 Espartaquen wrote:
I thought they said the skill gap between foreigners and koreans had closed...
Yeah it had closed, they have not surpassed them. A lot of the games were close narrow victories, very different from how it looked 3-4 years ago. Clearly even matchups mostly
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On August 07 2017 19:38 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2017 19:27 Espartaquen wrote:
I thought they said the skill gap between foreigners and koreans had closed... Yeah it had closed, they have not surpassed them. A lot of the games were close narrow victories, very different from how it looked 3-4 years ago. Clearly even matchups mostly
Well i can remember when Dimaga, White Ra , TT1 etc. played better and closer against the Koreans 
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On August 07 2017 20:05 MKStyles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2017 19:38 Shuffleblade wrote:On August 07 2017 19:27 Espartaquen wrote:
I thought they said the skill gap between foreigners and koreans had closed... Yeah it had closed, they have not surpassed them. A lot of the games were close narrow victories, very different from how it looked 3-4 years ago. Clearly even matchups mostly Well i can remember when Dimaga, White Ra , TT1 etc. played better and closer against the Koreans
And those matches happened before Kespa came into the scene.
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We won a game, gap is closed, you can either love it or hate it, but that is all, you can do against it.
I would just not praise Kelazhur so much for the game as it was a huge pain watching for 20 minutes a player being up 50 supply trying hard to throw the game. At the end, he did not succeed, so he suffered a win.
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Kela was up 50 supply and the game was still dead even for 20 mins lol
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It's just too funny to see Dark go early pool every time against foreigner zergs and win handily
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same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement.
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On August 07 2017 19:25 Mun_Su wrote:and also Serral.. bad luck to be against INno
He was super lucky that Innovation was looking elsewhere and lost that attack on Serral's 4th to those banelings. That's the only reason that game was close.
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On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement.
7-1
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On August 07 2017 21:55 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. 7-1
I think you're being a bit of a BraGer here.
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I was impressive more about Neeb and Serral's games than Kelazhur's one even though he won. 
-Firstly Neeb and Serral fought hard and made their games look really close, at many stages we could tell that was a fight between 2 even players.
-TY looked so much better than Kelazhur in mid and late game, he lost becoz the cheese deal so much damage at the beginning and nearly played with handicap for the rest of that game. . Of course it's a strategy game so a win is a win, however a macro game tells much more about the skill level between 2 players than a cheese one.
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always beautiful to see foreigners being put in their place. havent had this much fun watching sc2 for quite the time.
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On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
I'm not sure how you thought up this analogy; the hypothetical ladder player you're talking about lost - Korean progamers tend to wipe the floor with foreigners, we've seen this time and time again over many years now. And when I say "wipe the floor" I mean both in the sense of "yeah both play really well but one of them just never loses no matter how close it gets" and in the sense of "wow he really made his opponent look like a Gold leaguer in that one".
Even if I were to agree with your dehumanization of everyone who rages on ladder as being some shitty spoiled kid who can't face their own mistakes and blames it on something else as opposed to complex human beings who may or may not have various circumstances going on in their lives, the fact of the matter remains that Korean pros almost never lose anymore, and sometimes it doesn't even look close at all. So your analogy is like really really really silly.
Whatever, I've never been the type to get irrationally angry over this kind of thing. I just enjoy the game. And I quite enjoyed this tournament, both the team match and the individual tournament.
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On August 07 2017 22:18 ParksonVN wrote:I was impressive more about Neeb and Serral's games than Kelazhur's one even though he won. -Firstly Neeb and Serral fought hard and made their games look really close, at many stages we could tell that was a fight between 2 even players.
Serral lost after Inno made a mistake he almost never makes that put him super behind. Playing even with that was not impressive in the slightest.
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you'll never be the best baseball hitter in the world if you don't play full time in the USA, assimilate into the culture of MLB, and learn how to speak english and/or spanish.
until foreigners do what grrr did.. they'll never be the best. grrr played full time in Korea, assimilated into the culture of the best SC players and learned to speak Korean.
congratz to the koreans.. its a well deserved stomp against a group of very talented non-koreans who for whatever reason won't do everything that it takes to be the very best.
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I think what people are missing about kelazhur vs TY is that Kelazhur made 0 vikings. He choked and made 0 vikings vs 5 vikings and 4 liberators. TY's air units completely controlled every fight right up until he lost them.
Had Kelazhur made a starport along with those bunch of factories below his 3rd he would have cleaned up the game so much earlier. Ultimately we saw kelazhur choke hard and TY fail to overcome the extreme economic disparity.
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On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement.
It's the same way that a top korean player can lose the occasional game to a low level pro doing a cheese/allin. We don't suddenly act like those players are equal level and start praising the low level pro, he just got a lucky build.
TY is generally a high level player/champion contender, meanwhile Kela couldn't qualify for GSL when he tried earlier this year. One cheese game isn't enough for anyone to make up for a whole year of lower level play. Just like if TY had lost to a low level korean player cheesing him.
And lets be honest here. Kela did go for a risky cheese on a 4 player map and it paid of. He had a worker lead for the whole game. The fact he was up 50 supply and 2 bases, but the game was still close for 20 minutes shows he isn't on the same TvT level. If TY up 50 supply and 2 bases (or even equal supply/bases), that game would not have been close
(and no I'm not trying to hate on Kela, I think he's one of the best foreigners maybe of all time, but I'm just being honest)
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