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On August 08 2017 15:19 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments. Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims.
It was probably not the ideal way to put thoughts on paper but I am not surprised people are fed up and annoyed with some sub-communities that formed and are very loud. Talking to players behind the scenes pretty much nobody says a good word about community approach these days(TL/ Reddit).
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On August 08 2017 15:30 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 15:19 207aicila wrote:On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments. Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims. It was probably not the ideal way to put thoughts on paper but I am not surprised people are fed up and annoyed with some sub-communities that formed and are very loud. Talking to players behind the scenes pretty much nobody says a good word about community approach these days(TL/ Reddit).
Since when have online communities ever been positive? Obviously there are a lot of good fans but in any online community for anything the trolls, haters, etc, are extremely vocal. And of course this applies doubly for any community revolving around competition. Throw in race and/or nationality on top of all that and you have a veritable bonfire of hostility.
I'm not saying the players are wrong to disparage the community (they're certainly justified), only that they shouldn't be surprised about how negative it is now, and always has been. Dealing with the hate of anonymous trolls is simply part and parcel of being a public figure these days.
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It's so sad seeing people trying to diminish Kelas completely legit win over TY.
They make it sound as if he could A move at any time and roll him over. Why don't you watch the vods? Kela was ahead and played solid the whole game, TY just wasn't going to give it up easily. And at the end of the game despite TY not mining, had Kela made one mistake and lost his marines to tanks, he was dead. He made the right call, played patiently and starved TY out.
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On August 08 2017 15:44 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 15:30 Nerchio wrote:On August 08 2017 15:19 207aicila wrote:On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments. Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims. It was probably not the ideal way to put thoughts on paper but I am not surprised people are fed up and annoyed with some sub-communities that formed and are very loud. Talking to players behind the scenes pretty much nobody says a good word about community approach these days(TL/ Reddit). Since when have online communities ever been positive? Obviously there are a lot of good fans but in any online community for anything the trolls, haters, etc, are extremely vocal. And of course this applies doubly for any community revolving around competition. Throw in race and/or nationality on top of all that and you have a veritable bonfire of hostility. I'm not saying the players are wrong to disparage the community (they're certainly justified), only that they shouldn't be surprised about how negative it is now, and always has been. Dealing with the hate of anonymous trolls is simply part and parcel of being a public figure these days.
You can't use an excuse like "it's always been like this" for anything, it just makes the problem bigger.
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Does "patch Terran" trolling bother Inno? Probably not. He won't compute irrelevant data.
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On August 08 2017 15:19 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments. Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims.
But he agrees with Brickrd's post so that's why he doesn't have a problem with it.
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Look, for the record, I believe Kela DID take a series off TY at WESG, even though TY had already won the group, I don't wanna go so far as to say TY wasn't trying his hardest.
Edit; He might have lost to Showtime too, I forget...
But I will say this, TY's style, because it's so mid-late game based, is VERY susceptible to cheese. This used to happen to him a lot in proleague games he shoulda won.
It's like this, Inno is the Macro God, Byun is the ” Skirmish" micro God, ( hence the reaper madness) Maru is the decisive engagement, " Army control God" , with the splits and whatnot. And like I said, when he's at his best, he's very decisive with his attack s, he just kills you.
TY is the tactics, multi tasking, out think you kinda player.
But all in all, the foreigners are a long way off. Major, top foreign Terran easy, MIGHT be as good as Ryung.
Neeb is fuckin legit, forget about it....
Edit; Showtime seems to have the skill too, but I dunno. Neeb is definitely better to me.....
Serrall is solid, but I still got Elazer higher off results. Neither I put above Dark, sOO, or Solar.....
Scarlett, really I LOVE her play, but..... I don't know what's missing. I feel like it's mental there cause the raw skills seem to be there..
Sometimes she just seems way too cocky...
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On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
when nani and stephano were wiping floors occasionally with koreans, people were giving honest praise.
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On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement.
it was 25-14 in the 16 player event and 7-1 on championship sunday. there is no requirement for a narrative or any reason/excuse. the Win/Loss record of the Non-Koreans in the GSL v. World and the 8 game exhibition on championship sunday speaks for itself.
if we took the lifetime cumulative win-loss ratio of every non-korean in GSL history i wonder how close it is to 15:32 ?
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On August 08 2017 17:46 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 15:44 pvsnp wrote:On August 08 2017 15:30 Nerchio wrote:On August 08 2017 15:19 207aicila wrote:On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments. Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims. It was probably not the ideal way to put thoughts on paper but I am not surprised people are fed up and annoyed with some sub-communities that formed and are very loud. Talking to players behind the scenes pretty much nobody says a good word about community approach these days(TL/ Reddit). Since when have online communities ever been positive? Obviously there are a lot of good fans but in any online community for anything the trolls, haters, etc, are extremely vocal. And of course this applies doubly for any community revolving around competition. Throw in race and/or nationality on top of all that and you have a veritable bonfire of hostility. I'm not saying the players are wrong to disparage the community (they're certainly justified), only that they shouldn't be surprised about how negative it is now, and always has been. Dealing with the hate of anonymous trolls is simply part and parcel of being a public figure these days. You can't use an excuse like "it's always been like this" for anything, it just makes the problem bigger.
It's not really an excuse, it's just the way things are and not much can be done about it. Where people can stay anonymous and speak publicly, they will always talk shit like this.
This same behavior is there in traditional sports as well, athletes are loved then hated the next minute, they get called all kinds of names and their achievements are downplayed for whatever reasons. I guess they can console themselves with the money though, which SC players cannot :\.
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On August 08 2017 15:30 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 15:19 207aicila wrote:On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments. Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims. It was probably not the ideal way to put thoughts on paper but I am not surprised people are fed up and annoyed with some sub-communities that formed and are very loud. Talking to players behind the scenes pretty much nobody says a good word about community approach these days(TL/ Reddit).
When a bunch of foreigners shit-talk on stage against the Koreans and then get destroyed 1-7, those cocky shit-talking foreigners deserve all the negative feedback from the community.
I have said this before: The foreigners talk big but don't do shit. This statement most certainly includes you. Have you changed the perception of foreigners yet?
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On August 09 2017 03:42 usopsama wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 15:30 Nerchio wrote:On August 08 2017 15:19 207aicila wrote:On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments. Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims. It was probably not the ideal way to put thoughts on paper but I am not surprised people are fed up and annoyed with some sub-communities that formed and are very loud. Talking to players behind the scenes pretty much nobody says a good word about community approach these days(TL/ Reddit). When a bunch of foreigners shit-talk on stage against the Koreans and then get destroyed 1-7, those cocky shit-talking foreigners deserve all the negative feedback from the community. I have said this before: The foreigners talk big but don't do shit. This statement most certainly includes you. Have you changed the perception of foreigners yet?
If players are bland, parts of the community complains.
If players talk trash (even if it isn't intended to be insulting), parts of the community complains.
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On August 09 2017 03:42 usopsama wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 15:30 Nerchio wrote:On August 08 2017 15:19 207aicila wrote:On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments. Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims. It was probably not the ideal way to put thoughts on paper but I am not surprised people are fed up and annoyed with some sub-communities that formed and are very loud. Talking to players behind the scenes pretty much nobody says a good word about community approach these days(TL/ Reddit). When a bunch of foreigners shit-talk on stage against the Koreans and then get destroyed 1-7, those cocky shit-talking foreigners deserve all the negative feedback from the community. I have said this before: The foreigners talk big but don't do shit. This statement most certainly includes you. Have you changed the perception of foreigners yet?
come on, it's just banter.
without that the scene would be boring
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On August 08 2017 15:30 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 15:19 207aicila wrote:On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments. Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims. It was probably not the ideal way to put thoughts on paper but I am not surprised people are fed up and annoyed with some sub-communities that formed and are very loud. Talking to players behind the scenes pretty much nobody says a good word about community approach these days(TL/ Reddit).
Nerchio, you have won $240,000 from this game. What is stopping you from training in Korea? The answer is you. Every caster talks about your poor creep spread, yet it doesn't seem like you've made effort to improve it. When foreigners seem like they don't care about being the best they can be at Starcraft, why should we care about them? Foreigners can't expect to be coddled on forums when they aren't putting in their all.
When sports athletes seem like their coasting by, do you think no one says anything negative about them? You and Innovation were both on Acer; he left because he wanted to be a better player, is that why you did? Heromarine said it yesterday on stream... foreigners are bad because all they want to do is play vs bad EU players and practice bad builds.
Blizzcon is gonna be an absolute slaughter.
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On August 09 2017 04:06 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2017 03:42 usopsama wrote:On August 08 2017 15:30 Nerchio wrote:On August 08 2017 15:19 207aicila wrote:On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments. Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims. It was probably not the ideal way to put thoughts on paper but I am not surprised people are fed up and annoyed with some sub-communities that formed and are very loud. Talking to players behind the scenes pretty much nobody says a good word about community approach these days(TL/ Reddit). When a bunch of foreigners shit-talk on stage against the Koreans and then get destroyed 1-7, those cocky shit-talking foreigners deserve all the negative feedback from the community. I have said this before: The foreigners talk big but don't do shit. This statement most certainly includes you. Have you changed the perception of foreigners yet? come on, it's just banter. without that the scene would be boring
Don't speak for everyone.
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On August 09 2017 04:05 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2017 03:42 usopsama wrote:On August 08 2017 15:30 Nerchio wrote:On August 08 2017 15:19 207aicila wrote:On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments. Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims. It was probably not the ideal way to put thoughts on paper but I am not surprised people are fed up and annoyed with some sub-communities that formed and are very loud. Talking to players behind the scenes pretty much nobody says a good word about community approach these days(TL/ Reddit). When a bunch of foreigners shit-talk on stage against the Koreans and then get destroyed 1-7, those cocky shit-talking foreigners deserve all the negative feedback from the community. I have said this before: The foreigners talk big but don't do shit. This statement most certainly includes you. Have you changed the perception of foreigners yet? If players are bland, parts of the community complains. If players talk trash (even if it isn't intended to be insulting), parts of the community complains.
On August 09 2017 04:06 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2017 03:42 usopsama wrote:On August 08 2017 15:30 Nerchio wrote:On August 08 2017 15:19 207aicila wrote:On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments. Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims. It was probably not the ideal way to put thoughts on paper but I am not surprised people are fed up and annoyed with some sub-communities that formed and are very loud. Talking to players behind the scenes pretty much nobody says a good word about community approach these days(TL/ Reddit). When a bunch of foreigners shit-talk on stage against the Koreans and then get destroyed 1-7, those cocky shit-talking foreigners deserve all the negative feedback from the community. I have said this before: The foreigners talk big but don't do shit. This statement most certainly includes you. Have you changed the perception of foreigners yet? come on, it's just banter. without that the scene would be boring
I am not against talking trash nor banter. But at the very least, you need to have the skills to back up your words.
If you talk shit and then get completely slaughtered. That's completely different.
For example, if Neeb were to talk trash about the Koreans but ends up destroying all the Korean protoss to win a trophy, that would be much more acceptable than if he got completely slaughtered.
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On August 09 2017 04:07 Bayaz90 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 15:30 Nerchio wrote:On August 08 2017 15:19 207aicila wrote:On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments. Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims. It was probably not the ideal way to put thoughts on paper but I am not surprised people are fed up and annoyed with some sub-communities that formed and are very loud. Talking to players behind the scenes pretty much nobody says a good word about community approach these days(TL/ Reddit). Nerchio, you have won $240,000 from this game. What is stopping you from training in Korea? The answer is you. Every caster talks about your poor creep spread, yet it doesn't seem like you've made effort to improve it. When foreigners seem like they don't care about being the best they can be at Starcraft, why should we care about them? Foreigners can't expect to be coddled on forums when they aren't putting in their all. When sports athletes seem like their coasting by, do you think no one says anything negative about them? You and Innovation were both on Acer; he left because he wanted to be a better player, is that why you did? Heromarine said it yesterday on stream... foreigners are bad because all they want to do is play vs bad EU players and practice bad builds. Blizzcon is gonna be an absolute slaughter.
This is an incredibly ignorant statement. You have no idea how much time/work/effort Nerchio puts into the game or what specific elements of gameplay/strategy he focuses on. It's also worth mentioning that Nerchio is one of the very few Europeans who plays in online Korean events despite the lag. Bottom line, you don't know anything about him. Stop assuming you do.
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On August 09 2017 04:07 Bayaz90 wrote:
Nerchio, you have won $240,000 from this game. What is stopping you from training in Korea? The answer is you. Every caster talks about your poor creep spread, yet it doesn't seem like you've made effort to improve it. When foreigners seem like they don't care about being the best they can be at Starcraft, why should we care about them? Foreigners can't expect to be coddled on forums when they aren't putting in their all.
i don't think the foreigners are "bad people"; they are just unwilling to commit to the extra effort it takes to be #1 when not born in Korea.
Its no different than if a french speaking baseball pitcher from Quebec, Canada wants to be the best baseball relief pitcher in the world. He has to move to another country and learn how to speak English. If he just stays in Quebec and never learns how to speak English that baseball pitcher will never be the best in the world. And, that guy born in Quebec will have to put in extra work to learn English and assimilate into American/English/MLB culture. This "extra effort" is not required for any really good baseball pitcher born in New York state or California.
i'll say it again:
until a foreigner is willing to do what grrr did we'll never have a non-Korean world champ.
Whether it's Guilliame Patry or Eric Gagne. They've provided the blue print for what it takes. Learn the language of the best, assimilate into the culture of the best. Then .... eat, sleep, breathe and live the game.
It is a lot easier to develop into the best baseball pitcher in the world if you're born in New York or California. Its a lot easier to develop into the best Starcraft player in the world if you are born in Korea.
Life Ain't Fair.
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On August 09 2017 04:05 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2017 03:42 usopsama wrote:On August 08 2017 15:30 Nerchio wrote:On August 08 2017 15:19 207aicila wrote:On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments. Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims. It was probably not the ideal way to put thoughts on paper but I am not surprised people are fed up and annoyed with some sub-communities that formed and are very loud. Talking to players behind the scenes pretty much nobody says a good word about community approach these days(TL/ Reddit). When a bunch of foreigners shit-talk on stage against the Koreans and then get destroyed 1-7, those cocky shit-talking foreigners deserve all the negative feedback from the community. I have said this before: The foreigners talk big but don't do shit. This statement most certainly includes you. Have you changed the perception of foreigners yet? If players are bland, parts of the community complains. If players talk trash (even if it isn't intended to be insulting), parts of the community complains.
People complain. Just like people whine, and hate, and troll, and on and on and on.
It sounds like a truism (because it is), but people are flawed and always will be. To err is human.
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On August 08 2017 17:46 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 15:44 pvsnp wrote:On August 08 2017 15:30 Nerchio wrote:On August 08 2017 15:19 207aicila wrote:On August 08 2017 14:48 Nerchio wrote:On August 07 2017 21:21 brickrd wrote:
same old lazy, brainless, prejudiced narratives being applied to korean vs foreigner games: kelazhur couldn't close out his win "because he sucks" yet ty didn't win at all "because he was just having a bad day/didn't care"
these korean apologists sound like the dude on ladder who rages at the end of your game, telling you he you're bad and he only lost because he's drunk or trying a new build or not playing seriously. a foreigner could 20-0 a korean and it still wouldn't matter, people would just post brainless excuses
as i predicted at the release of lotv, the game being much harder than hots has caused the typical game to contain many more mistakes and misplays due to more intensive ability casting and multitasking. when foreigners screw up they're bad players, when koreans screw up there's always a magical reason
congrats to kelazhur on his very impressive achievement. Yeah, all the people you see here are the people that don't understand how to have a discussion. It's just twich chat culture taken to a forum, so good luck having any meaningful content these days with all these comments. Funny, this applies to brickrd's post far more than it does to any of the ones countering his laughable claims. It was probably not the ideal way to put thoughts on paper but I am not surprised people are fed up and annoyed with some sub-communities that formed and are very loud. Talking to players behind the scenes pretty much nobody says a good word about community approach these days(TL/ Reddit). Since when have online communities ever been positive? Obviously there are a lot of good fans but in any online community for anything the trolls, haters, etc, are extremely vocal. And of course this applies doubly for any community revolving around competition. Throw in race and/or nationality on top of all that and you have a veritable bonfire of hostility. I'm not saying the players are wrong to disparage the community (they're certainly justified), only that they shouldn't be surprised about how negative it is now, and always has been. Dealing with the hate of anonymous trolls is simply part and parcel of being a public figure these days. You can't use an excuse like "it's always been like this" for anything, it just makes the problem bigger.
If you think this online community can improve and are willing to work towards that goal. I applaud your optimism. But I don't share it. Improving the community is an admirable goal that would help everyone if fulfilled, to be sure, but I just can't see it happening.
Call me a cynic if you want, but people are deeply flawed and always will be. It just so happens that in the SC2 community, these flaws manifest as the hate seen on Reddit/TL/etc. Another poster pointed out that public anonymity will always result in shit-talking, and that traditional sports suffer the same problems.
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