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On July 14 2017 22:28 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 09:13 Poopi wrote:On July 14 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:On July 13 2017 19:56 jalstar wrote:
Don't know why people are upset about votes... That's generally how all-star games work. :/ Its a $100K tournament. If it was just a showmatch with a small or non existent prize pool it wouldn't be so bad. The fact that its one of the biggest tournaments of the year (money wise) means it should have proper seeding/qualification. There are players performing a lot better than byun or sos that haven't even got a shot at getting in. Plus, it's one of the only time we get to see foreigners vs Koreans, I want to see the best, not the ones reddit likes the most. ByuN is top 4 in winrates this year. 2nd best terran winrates wise ^^ Yes he has good winrates, because he plays in more online cups than anyone else. It's not hard to have good win %'s when you're playing against lower level competition. Remember when Maru went 16-0 against foreigners at WeSG? You think he has a chance at doing that in Korea? ByuN hasn't been close to looking like he can win a tournament this year. He's not even top 5 terran (Inno, TY, Gumiho, aLive, and Maru are all above him). But reddit loves anything he does, so gets into GSLvsTW easy........
Nah he is actually at the top without online cups
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/524740-top-players-and-their-stats-in-2017
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has someone figured out a way to view the results of the vote so far? Please post if so!
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On July 14 2017 22:28 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 09:13 Poopi wrote:On July 14 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:On July 13 2017 19:56 jalstar wrote:
Don't know why people are upset about votes... That's generally how all-star games work. :/ Its a $100K tournament. If it was just a showmatch with a small or non existent prize pool it wouldn't be so bad. The fact that its one of the biggest tournaments of the year (money wise) means it should have proper seeding/qualification. There are players performing a lot better than byun or sos that haven't even got a shot at getting in. Plus, it's one of the only time we get to see foreigners vs Koreans, I want to see the best, not the ones reddit likes the most. ByuN is top 4 in winrates this year. 2nd best terran winrates wise ^^ Yes he has good winrates, because he plays in more online cups than anyone else. It's not hard to have good win %'s when you're playing against lower level competition. Remember when Maru went 16-0 against foreigners at WeSG? You think he has a chance at doing that in Korea? ByuN hasn't been close to looking like he can win a tournament this year. He's not even top 5 terran (Inno, TY, Gumiho, aLive, and Maru are all above him). But reddit loves anything he does, so gets into GSLvsTW easy........
Since when aLive and TY are above Byun ?
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On July 14 2017 23:51 Segalicious wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 22:28 Fango wrote:On July 14 2017 09:13 Poopi wrote:On July 14 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:On July 13 2017 19:56 jalstar wrote:
Don't know why people are upset about votes... That's generally how all-star games work. :/ Its a $100K tournament. If it was just a showmatch with a small or non existent prize pool it wouldn't be so bad. The fact that its one of the biggest tournaments of the year (money wise) means it should have proper seeding/qualification. There are players performing a lot better than byun or sos that haven't even got a shot at getting in. Plus, it's one of the only time we get to see foreigners vs Koreans, I want to see the best, not the ones reddit likes the most. ByuN is top 4 in winrates this year. 2nd best terran winrates wise ^^ Yes he has good winrates, because he plays in more online cups than anyone else. It's not hard to have good win %'s when you're playing against lower level competition. Remember when Maru went 16-0 against foreigners at WeSG? You think he has a chance at doing that in Korea? ByuN hasn't been close to looking like he can win a tournament this year. He's not even top 5 terran (Inno, TY, Gumiho, aLive, and Maru are all above him). But reddit loves anything he does, so gets into GSLvsTW easy........ Since when aLive and TY are above Byun ?
Only the majority of 2017
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On July 14 2017 22:36 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 22:28 Fango wrote:On July 14 2017 09:13 Poopi wrote:On July 14 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:On July 13 2017 19:56 jalstar wrote:
Don't know why people are upset about votes... That's generally how all-star games work. :/ Its a $100K tournament. If it was just a showmatch with a small or non existent prize pool it wouldn't be so bad. The fact that its one of the biggest tournaments of the year (money wise) means it should have proper seeding/qualification. There are players performing a lot better than byun or sos that haven't even got a shot at getting in. Plus, it's one of the only time we get to see foreigners vs Koreans, I want to see the best, not the ones reddit likes the most. ByuN is top 4 in winrates this year. 2nd best terran winrates wise ^^ Yes he has good winrates, because he plays in more online cups than anyone else. It's not hard to have good win %'s when you're playing against lower level competition. Remember when Maru went 16-0 against foreigners at WeSG? You think he has a chance at doing that in Korea? ByuN hasn't been close to looking like he can win a tournament this year. He's not even top 5 terran (Inno, TY, Gumiho, aLive, and Maru are all above him). But reddit loves anything he does, so gets into GSLvsTW easy........ Do you realize that his good winrates, especially online, is what made him win GSL & Blizzcon in the first place? He is still ranked first on aligulac, he manages to beat very good opponents, he is definitely top 3 terran right now.
What relevence does that have. He won GSL and blizzcon.......last year. You think Zest is still good now cause he won GSL last year? ByuN is proof that winrates aren't an accurate measurement of level. He hasn't the chance to win GSL this season, he'd need a lucky group to even get to playoffs.
He couldn't get into SSL premier either season, he lost in a GSL ro32. A single GSL ro8 is his best acheivement all year. And he (likely) won't qualify for Blizzcon either. "top 3 terran" smh. Inno, TY, and gumiho have won tournaments. aLive has reached finals, Maru has gotten top 4/top8 minimum in every korean event. All 5 of them have significantly better results than ByuN.
Don't get me wrong he is a very strong player, potentially top 10 korea right now. And he could probably beat any foreigner. But the circlejerking around him is unreal. He hasn't done anything remarkable or consistant all year. People say he's best terran because of 2016. Maybe if tankivacs were still around he'd have a chance
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On July 14 2017 22:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 22:28 Fango wrote:On July 14 2017 09:13 Poopi wrote:On July 14 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:On July 13 2017 19:56 jalstar wrote:
Don't know why people are upset about votes... That's generally how all-star games work. :/ Its a $100K tournament. If it was just a showmatch with a small or non existent prize pool it wouldn't be so bad. The fact that its one of the biggest tournaments of the year (money wise) means it should have proper seeding/qualification. There are players performing a lot better than byun or sos that haven't even got a shot at getting in. Plus, it's one of the only time we get to see foreigners vs Koreans, I want to see the best, not the ones reddit likes the most. ByuN is top 4 in winrates this year. 2nd best terran winrates wise ^^ Yes he has good winrates, because he plays in more online cups than anyone else. It's not hard to have good win %'s when you're playing against lower level competition. Remember when Maru went 16-0 against foreigners at WeSG? You think he has a chance at doing that in Korea? ByuN hasn't been close to looking like he can win a tournament this year. He's not even top 5 terran (Inno, TY, Gumiho, aLive, and Maru are all above him). But reddit loves anything he does, so gets into GSLvsTW easy........ Nah he is actually at the top without online cups http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/524740-top-players-and-their-stats-in-2017
Well I guess it just proves that winrates aren't everything. To put ByuN and ByuL that far above champions like TY, gumiho, and Stats....
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On July 15 2017 00:18 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 22:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 14 2017 22:28 Fango wrote:On July 14 2017 09:13 Poopi wrote:On July 14 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:On July 13 2017 19:56 jalstar wrote:
Don't know why people are upset about votes... That's generally how all-star games work. :/ Its a $100K tournament. If it was just a showmatch with a small or non existent prize pool it wouldn't be so bad. The fact that its one of the biggest tournaments of the year (money wise) means it should have proper seeding/qualification. There are players performing a lot better than byun or sos that haven't even got a shot at getting in. Plus, it's one of the only time we get to see foreigners vs Koreans, I want to see the best, not the ones reddit likes the most. ByuN is top 4 in winrates this year. 2nd best terran winrates wise ^^ Yes he has good winrates, because he plays in more online cups than anyone else. It's not hard to have good win %'s when you're playing against lower level competition. Remember when Maru went 16-0 against foreigners at WeSG? You think he has a chance at doing that in Korea? ByuN hasn't been close to looking like he can win a tournament this year. He's not even top 5 terran (Inno, TY, Gumiho, aLive, and Maru are all above him). But reddit loves anything he does, so gets into GSLvsTW easy........ Nah he is actually at the top without online cups http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/524740-top-players-and-their-stats-in-2017 Well I guess it just proves that winrates aren't everything. To put ByuN and ByuL that far above champions like TY, gumiho, and Stats....
Well i am not saying that Byun had a really good year in tournaments, but his winrate is still really good and that alone should mean he is quite the strong player even if he loses important playoff matches.
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On July 15 2017 00:21 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:18 Fango wrote:On July 14 2017 22:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 14 2017 22:28 Fango wrote:On July 14 2017 09:13 Poopi wrote:On July 14 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:On July 13 2017 19:56 jalstar wrote:
Don't know why people are upset about votes... That's generally how all-star games work. :/ Its a $100K tournament. If it was just a showmatch with a small or non existent prize pool it wouldn't be so bad. The fact that its one of the biggest tournaments of the year (money wise) means it should have proper seeding/qualification. There are players performing a lot better than byun or sos that haven't even got a shot at getting in. Plus, it's one of the only time we get to see foreigners vs Koreans, I want to see the best, not the ones reddit likes the most. ByuN is top 4 in winrates this year. 2nd best terran winrates wise ^^ Yes he has good winrates, because he plays in more online cups than anyone else. It's not hard to have good win %'s when you're playing against lower level competition. Remember when Maru went 16-0 against foreigners at WeSG? You think he has a chance at doing that in Korea? ByuN hasn't been close to looking like he can win a tournament this year. He's not even top 5 terran (Inno, TY, Gumiho, aLive, and Maru are all above him). But reddit loves anything he does, so gets into GSLvsTW easy........ Nah he is actually at the top without online cups http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/524740-top-players-and-their-stats-in-2017 Well I guess it just proves that winrates aren't everything. To put ByuN and ByuL that far above champions like TY, gumiho, and Stats.... Well i am not saying that Byun had a really good year in tournaments, but his winrate is still really good and that alone should mean he is quite the strong player even if he loses important playoff matches.
I'm not saying he isn't a strong player, he's in really good form. But he isn't a top terran this year like everyone says. He's not on the same level as TY, Inno, Gumi etc
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On July 15 2017 00:23 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:21 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 15 2017 00:18 Fango wrote:On July 14 2017 22:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 14 2017 22:28 Fango wrote:On July 14 2017 09:13 Poopi wrote:On July 14 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:On July 13 2017 19:56 jalstar wrote:
Don't know why people are upset about votes... That's generally how all-star games work. :/ Its a $100K tournament. If it was just a showmatch with a small or non existent prize pool it wouldn't be so bad. The fact that its one of the biggest tournaments of the year (money wise) means it should have proper seeding/qualification. There are players performing a lot better than byun or sos that haven't even got a shot at getting in. Plus, it's one of the only time we get to see foreigners vs Koreans, I want to see the best, not the ones reddit likes the most. ByuN is top 4 in winrates this year. 2nd best terran winrates wise ^^ Yes he has good winrates, because he plays in more online cups than anyone else. It's not hard to have good win %'s when you're playing against lower level competition. Remember when Maru went 16-0 against foreigners at WeSG? You think he has a chance at doing that in Korea? ByuN hasn't been close to looking like he can win a tournament this year. He's not even top 5 terran (Inno, TY, Gumiho, aLive, and Maru are all above him). But reddit loves anything he does, so gets into GSLvsTW easy........ Nah he is actually at the top without online cups http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/524740-top-players-and-their-stats-in-2017 Well I guess it just proves that winrates aren't everything. To put ByuN and ByuL that far above champions like TY, gumiho, and Stats.... Well i am not saying that Byun had a really good year in tournaments, but his winrate is still really good and that alone should mean he is quite the strong player even if he loses important playoff matches. I'm not saying he isn't a strong player, he's in really good form. But he isn't a top terran this year like everyone says. He's not on the same level as TY, Inno, Gumi etc
I am saying that at leats with Byun you cannot really question his gameplay as seen by the win%. His results were mediocre considering these winrates.
With sOs it's consistent though, low win% and no results. I only really addressed your comment because you implied Byun's stats are only good because of online competition, that's not the case though
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In addition to the argument that online cups have softer fields and it is thus easier to amass higher win rate compared to offline/Korean events, I think there is one more dimension to it.
It is possible to have a relatively low winrate vs. mediocre players and higher vs. top players. In poker, Helmuth is very good against bad players, but relatively worse vs. the top players.
Someone like Ike Haxton or Phil Galfond will be better against pros, but compared to Helmuth, worse against amateurs.
I'd thus say that someone with strong mechanics, like Inno, will have a ridiculously high winrate against mediocre players, but that doesn't necessarily directly translate to playing vs. top competition. I wouldn't be surprised if TY/Maru had lower winrate against mediocre players than Inno, but higher against top10 players.
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On July 14 2017 23:53 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 23:51 Segalicious wrote:On July 14 2017 22:28 Fango wrote:On July 14 2017 09:13 Poopi wrote:On July 14 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:On July 13 2017 19:56 jalstar wrote:
Don't know why people are upset about votes... That's generally how all-star games work. :/ Its a $100K tournament. If it was just a showmatch with a small or non existent prize pool it wouldn't be so bad. The fact that its one of the biggest tournaments of the year (money wise) means it should have proper seeding/qualification. There are players performing a lot better than byun or sos that haven't even got a shot at getting in. Plus, it's one of the only time we get to see foreigners vs Koreans, I want to see the best, not the ones reddit likes the most. ByuN is top 4 in winrates this year. 2nd best terran winrates wise ^^ Yes he has good winrates, because he plays in more online cups than anyone else. It's not hard to have good win %'s when you're playing against lower level competition. Remember when Maru went 16-0 against foreigners at WeSG? You think he has a chance at doing that in Korea? ByuN hasn't been close to looking like he can win a tournament this year. He's not even top 5 terran (Inno, TY, Gumiho, aLive, and Maru are all above him). But reddit loves anything he does, so gets into GSLvsTW easy........ Since when aLive and TY are above Byun ? Only the majority of 2017
As u said the majority , dont think so atm that they are in any higher level than Byun . Also Byun seems to have stopped his slump and getting back to his old self .
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On July 15 2017 02:57 Segalicious wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 23:53 Elentos wrote:On July 14 2017 23:51 Segalicious wrote:On July 14 2017 22:28 Fango wrote:On July 14 2017 09:13 Poopi wrote:On July 14 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:On July 13 2017 19:56 jalstar wrote:
Don't know why people are upset about votes... That's generally how all-star games work. :/ Its a $100K tournament. If it was just a showmatch with a small or non existent prize pool it wouldn't be so bad. The fact that its one of the biggest tournaments of the year (money wise) means it should have proper seeding/qualification. There are players performing a lot better than byun or sos that haven't even got a shot at getting in. Plus, it's one of the only time we get to see foreigners vs Koreans, I want to see the best, not the ones reddit likes the most. ByuN is top 4 in winrates this year. 2nd best terran winrates wise ^^ Yes he has good winrates, because he plays in more online cups than anyone else. It's not hard to have good win %'s when you're playing against lower level competition. Remember when Maru went 16-0 against foreigners at WeSG? You think he has a chance at doing that in Korea? ByuN hasn't been close to looking like he can win a tournament this year. He's not even top 5 terran (Inno, TY, Gumiho, aLive, and Maru are all above him). But reddit loves anything he does, so gets into GSLvsTW easy........ Since when aLive and TY are above Byun ? Only the majority of 2017 As u said the majority , dont think so atm that they are in any higher level than Byun . Also Byun seems to have stopped his slump and getting back to his old self .
He's just making more reapers to cover up for his still existing weaknesses. 
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On July 15 2017 02:11 seopthi wrote:
In addition to the argument that online cups have softer fields and it is thus easier to amass higher win rate compared to offline/Korean events, I think there is one more dimension to it.
It is possible to have a relatively low winrate vs. mediocre players and higher vs. top players. In poker, Helmuth is very good against bad players, but relatively worse vs. the top players.
Someone like Ike Haxton or Phil Galfond will be better against pros, but compared to Helmuth, worse against amateurs.
I'd thus say that someone with strong mechanics, like Inno, will have a ridiculously high winrate against mediocre players, but that doesn't necessarily directly translate to playing vs. top competition. I wouldn't be surprised if TY/Maru had lower winrate against mediocre players than Inno, but higher against top10 players.
Inno has a ridiculously high winrate, period. And so do TY/Maru, just look at what they did at WESG.
Yes, there are some subtle distinctions but all of them stomp noobs and have epic clashes with top-tiers.
Inno and TY have the big results this year, though I would give Inno a slight edge in form because he has won more recent tournaments.
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On July 14 2017 09:09 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 06:33 Kafka777 wrote:I don't think it's intentionally rigged. And you can vote from EU it's just difficult. Even making it difficult makes it totally rigged as many people will just quit voting. Not rigged, just ignorance on blizzard's part
Which is incredibly surprising considering their track record 
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Your words are too bit too harsh but frankly I agree with you. ByuN is meh this year. He can micro reapers and that is all. I wouldn't want to see him at GSL vs The World. I would prefer seeing GuMiho or Maru instead.
Well I perhaps had a very poor choice of words in this case. I mean Byun is a descent player, however he became a monster by abusing reapers.
You need to calm down. Blizzard screwed up some of their backend logic, that's all. People are trying to help by providing usable workarounds. Raging serves no point.
If you make a vote and make it difficult for persons from a region to vote there is no workaround that will be effective. Imagine if lets say in Germany voters for incumbent party could vote normally but the persons for opposition had to register accounts - could this vote be valid?
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I want to see Borg drink Bleach, and where my boy Tester at.
Show pProtoss the way
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On July 15 2017 02:57 Segalicious wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 23:53 Elentos wrote:On July 14 2017 23:51 Segalicious wrote:On July 14 2017 22:28 Fango wrote:On July 14 2017 09:13 Poopi wrote:On July 14 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:On July 13 2017 19:56 jalstar wrote:
Don't know why people are upset about votes... That's generally how all-star games work. :/ Its a $100K tournament. If it was just a showmatch with a small or non existent prize pool it wouldn't be so bad. The fact that its one of the biggest tournaments of the year (money wise) means it should have proper seeding/qualification. There are players performing a lot better than byun or sos that haven't even got a shot at getting in. Plus, it's one of the only time we get to see foreigners vs Koreans, I want to see the best, not the ones reddit likes the most. ByuN is top 4 in winrates this year. 2nd best terran winrates wise ^^ Yes he has good winrates, because he plays in more online cups than anyone else. It's not hard to have good win %'s when you're playing against lower level competition. Remember when Maru went 16-0 against foreigners at WeSG? You think he has a chance at doing that in Korea? ByuN hasn't been close to looking like he can win a tournament this year. He's not even top 5 terran (Inno, TY, Gumiho, aLive, and Maru are all above him). But reddit loves anything he does, so gets into GSLvsTW easy........ Since when aLive and TY are above Byun ? Only the majority of 2017 As u said the majority , dont think so atm that they are in any higher level than Byun . Also Byun seems to have stopped his slump and getting back to his old self .
What basis do you have for saying ByuN's out of his slump? If he gets a solid ro8-ro4 again I'll give it to you. Right now all I'm seeing is reapers every game
also TY is probably the most consistant player of LoTV so far, or maybe Stats. He's a contender to win every tournament he's in, can't say the same for ByuN
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To be honest I should less concerned with ByuN winning over Gumhio and Maru, and more worried about the fact the protoss vote goes to either sOs or Zest.....
Did people not learn from Nation Wars
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