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Top players and their stats in 2017

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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 12 2017 17:31 GMT
#1
Hey guys i thought this might be an interesting topic now that the first half of the year is already over (time flies!).
With recent discussions about "the best player ever" or "goat" i thought adding some stats for this specific year might be useful. (also check out Trying to make a goat list for sc2)
Note that i only look at offline stats simply because some players inflate their winrate a lot through playing in rather unimportant online cups, i think going for offline stats levels the playingfield in that regard.
I will only look at the top 15 players in the wcs korea standings, so this isn't 100% accurate for the lower ranks. (someone like Dear might be in it for example)


So here it goes:

15. (P)sOs

45–42 (51.72%) in games and 16–17 (48.48%) in matches

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14. (T)Ryung

76–77 (49.67%) in games and 28–29 (49.12%) in matches

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13. (Z)Solar

73–56 (56.59%) in games and 33–19 (63.46%) in matches
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12. (T)aLive

80–60 (57.14%) in games and 34–19 (64.15%) in matches
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11. (Z)Dark

71–47 (60.17%) in games and 30–16 (65.22%) in matches
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10. (T)TY

94–62 (60.26%) in games and 35–18 (66.04%) in matches
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9. (P)Stats

94–64 (59.49%) in games and 37–19 (66.07%) in matches
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8. (T)Maru

81–47 (63.28%) in games and 32–16 (66.67%) in matches
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7. (P)herO[jOin]

93–59 (61.18%) in games and 37–18 (67.27%) in matches
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6. (T)GuMiho

85–52 (62.04%) in games and 29–14 (67.44%) in matches
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5. (Z)soO

59–44 (57.28%) in games and 23–11 (67.65%) in matches
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4. (T)ByuN

91–55 (62.33%) in games and 42–20 (67.74%) in matches
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3. (P)Classic

77–46 (62.60%) in games and 33–15 (68.75%) in matches
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2. (Z)ByuL

83–50 (62.41%) in games and 39–17 (69.64%) in matches
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1. (T)INnoVation

102–36 (73.91%) in games and 46–13 (77.97%) in matches
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This list is in no means implied to be a definitive ranking of these players for this year. But imo it is still has some value to look at the stats with all the other context in mind (titles, opponents, etc)
Personally i think the gap between Innovation and everyone else at least supports the idea that he indeed is the best player of 2017 so far and it's not even really close.
Will definitely be interesting to see how this develops further!

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IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15919 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-12 20:00:46
July 12 2017 19:58 GMT
#2
Stats don't mean everything, no way Inno is the best player this year.
He only has his SSL win and no other ro4 appearance in premier tournaments. Stats on the other hand won GSL, got 2nd at IEM Katowice and got to the SSL playoffs as well as the GSL season 2 playoffs.
TY got to both GSL playoffs as well and won WESG and Katowice.
They are ahead of Inno for sure.

And I say this as a huge Inno fan who has him at #1 in the GOAT ranking.

Byul at #2 and ByuN at #4 shows how flawed looking only at winrates is.

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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 12 2017 20:12 GMT
#3
Well i state that this isn't meant to be a ranking of the best players of the year.
But yeah i state that it supports the idea of Innovation being the best player this year. I guess i should have phrased it differently because you are totally right that at least Stats has better results (i would argue about TY tbh)

But the gap in winrates is just huge and it definitely means something. Winrates are one objective measurement besides tournament results itself, so i think it definitely adds to the overall claim.
Let's just say this, if he can somewhat stay on that win% it is very likely that he will get the tournament results as well.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15919 Posts
July 12 2017 20:40 GMT
#4
On July 13 2017 05:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Well i state that this isn't meant to be a ranking of the best players of the year.
But yeah i state that it supports the idea of Innovation being the best player this year. I guess i should have phrased it differently because you are totally right that at least Stats has better results (i would argue about TY tbh)

But the gap in winrates is just huge and it definitely means something. Winrates are one objective measurement besides tournament results itself, so i think it definitely adds to the overall claim.
Let's just say this, if he can somewhat stay on that win% it is very likely that he will get the tournament results as well.

not necessarily; winrates definitely say something about the form of the players but if that doesn't translate to good tournament results it's ultimately worthless. TY's winrates at IEM Katowice weren't that impressive but he won when it counted and got the trophy. INnoVation dominated the first season of GSL until the playoffs only dropping 1 map to Classic but then got reverse-swept by Stats and had nothing to show for his impressive winrates.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 12 2017 20:55 GMT
#5
Well high winrates imply that you have results to show. You cannot win 80% of your games and do actually badly in tournaments. (well assuming all the players play in the same tournaments and the sample size is reasonable)

Also Innovation got a ro8 result, that isn't "nothing", it's just under value simply because even if you are the best in the world you can still lose to other really good players. That's simply how it works.
This list is also based on the match winrate, which is obviously a better measurement for tournament results.
Though a high win% for games definitely adds a form of "domination" to the context.

Again, i am not saying this is a list of the top 15 players this year, but winrates are still objective data and by comparing players of the same tournament scene it definitely means something.
It's no surprise that players like Flash and Jaedong are at the top of career win% and are also considered to be the best players ever (in bw obviously)
It's also no surprise that Innovation might have one of the highest career win% in sc2 (if not the highest) and tournament results show it as well. A high win% definitely matters
And this year Innovation has ridiculous stats so far, even though you are right that his tournament results are probably lacking considering that this huge gap between him and other players exists.

IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12790 Posts
July 12 2017 22:00 GMT
#6
The scene has so few players for sub 50% players appearing in the top 15 :x
WriterMaru
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 12 2017 22:09 GMT
#7
On July 13 2017 07:00 Poopi wrote:
The scene has so few players for sub 50% players appearing in the top 15 :x

No i just used the korean wcs standings to decide which players i check, this isn't the absolute top 15 list.
I simply didn't feel like it to check every korean player

But the upper ranks should all be actually the best, i would guess the wcs rankins are that solid ^^
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16679 Posts
July 13 2017 03:44 GMT
#8
thx for posting this and compiling this information.
On July 13 2017 04:58 Charoisaur wrote:
Stats don't mean everything, no way Inno is the best player this year.

true, however, win/loss statistics mean more than nothing.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 13 2017 07:21 GMT
#9
Pretty much in line with the state of the game: INnoVation is a bonjwa and a choker.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28474 Posts
July 13 2017 09:26 GMT
#10
Interesting list

Inno get that choke valve fixed
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51481 Posts
July 13 2017 10:30 GMT
#11
Nice stats viper! Interesting to see most terrans struggling in TvT as it's just Gumiho and Innovation with 60% win rates, rest all below that.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
July 13 2017 10:41 GMT
#12
On July 13 2017 19:30 Pandemona wrote:
Nice stats viper! Interesting to see most terrans struggling in TvT as it's just Gumiho and Innovation with 60% win rates, rest all below that.

Shows you what the changes to the match-up late last year did. Back then those winrates would have been 70%+ for TY, Maru and ByuN.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51481 Posts
July 13 2017 10:44 GMT
#13
Yeah wasn't much TvT happening then though right or was there, i always thought Maru TvT was questionable shall we say. Last 2 GSL he has lost in TvT series' and looked more than fine in every other match up for example (in that specific tournament)
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
July 13 2017 13:08 GMT
#14
Innovation wins again, how surprising.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2214 Posts
July 15 2017 08:21 GMT
#15
INno is certainly the best player of 2017
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