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_Epi_
Germany158 Posts
On April 19 2017 20:04 StraKo wrote: + Show Spoiler + INnoVation vs. sOs on Abyssal Reef basically perfectly showed why i don't enjoy LotV since launch and why i made this thread. Over 50 worker kills on 2base. That's just not the star craft anymore that i used to love. I am feeling you! | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
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GrandSmurf
Netherlands462 Posts
` yep. that was bullshit. | ||
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
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kajtarp
Hungary472 Posts
On April 13 2017 08:28 AssyrianKing wrote: So far reading through the comments. I really like the idea of making warpgate tech a late game upgrade, either at robotics facility/twilight council, or at robotics bay/templar archives, or available to be built at both techways as to not force a protoss towards a specific tech path. Phasing mode for a warp prism could also be made into an upgrade. For example a robotics bay upgrade. The pickup area of the warp prism is also a bit silly... It will never gonna happen. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3344 Posts
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
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seopthi
391 Posts
The problem is not fixable by tweaking numbers, the unit has a wrong design from its core and is kept on life support like Swarm Host..at least SH did go through a radical change which did help the situation somewhat. The problem with radical change of Adept is that it likely won't fix the overlap with Zealot and Stalker. Zealot/Stalker/Sentry is a perfect gateway trio design wise. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16669 Posts
2 expansions forced Blizzard to create too many units per race. This gives units such a narrow role that there is constant angst about how the unit should fit into the rest of a race's army. In turn, every tweak sparks an endless debate over whether or not a unit is stepping on the toes of another unit's defined role. That said, the game is still fun. its not a game breaking issue, but it is noticeable relative to other RTS games with fewer units per faction/race. | ||
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todespolka
221 Posts
If adepts follow you, you can move to a disadvantages position for adepts: Tank range + kite back, move over wm and kite back, use medivacs to lift up and boost into the base, ... Also how do you split your units, how do you position your buildings and and and... There is a lot of decision making! If you look adepts vs other units, adepts are not cost efficient. They depend on shading to work. The only thing that bothers me is that adepts snowball very fast if you are a bad player. Lower league player are bad at splitting units. Adepts shade where the opponent has less units, kill them and shade away. After a few cycles protoss has enough adepts to overrun the opponent. | ||
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
On April 19 2017 20:04 StraKo wrote: + Show Spoiler + INnoVation vs. sOs on Abyssal Reef basically perfectly showed why i don't enjoy LotV since launch and why i made this thread. Over 50 worker kills on 2base. That's just not the star craft anymore that i used to love. *Edit: It's really not about balance. Protoss is clearly beatable. It's not about stats, it's about how units interact with each other. How matchups play out. My point is that adepts (and a lot more lotv units/mechanics) simply don't create good RTS gameplay. Sooo you weren't there for HotS or what? Remember Hellion TvT? Oracles? Blue flame Hellions? Adepts are a joke in comparison. LotV is fine, stop with the ridiculous hyperbole. Yes Adepts needed a nerf but its probably fine now. And you can 100% micro against Adepts. Yeah you gotta keep up with the shades, but that is 100% possible. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On April 10 2017 04:12 Eternal Dalek wrote: There needs to be much fewer activated abilities in the game, especially when it comes to core combat units. The game needs less ability micro and more positional and combat micro. Excellently put. Day[9] loves StarCraft, but in his video about Starbow he subtly shows his disdain for SC2, and it is for that very reason. In SC2 you need certain units and abilities to counter other units, positioning and micro be damned. Against someone with equal skill you can't micro and position Mutalisks to a victory versus Phoenixes. I queue up this video to one of the times talks about it. | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
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StraKo
Germany96 Posts
On April 19 2017 23:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Others have made this point that i agree with... 2 expansions forced Blizzard to create too many units per race. This gives units such a narrow role that there is constant angst about how the unit should fit into the rest of a race's army. In turn, every tweak sparks an endless debate over whether or not a unit is stepping on the toes of another unit's defined role. That said, the game is still fun. its not a game breaking issue, but it is noticeable relative to other RTS games with fewer units per faction/race. i absolutely agree with you. I think the addition of even more units was one of the biggest mistakes blizzard did. I feel like the balance team never wanted to go this way, but the PR team basically told them to add more units. A prime example is the liberator. It's AA did what thors are supposed to do and now they simply nerfed the AA into something that can't even hunt down overlords. They didn't change the design of the liberator, they just nerfed it. Also the AtG mode is basically doing the siegetanks job. Protoss got adepts in order to buff gateway tech and robo tech got nerfed. In theory this is something good, but i think some kind of stalker buff would've been a lot more interesting. Instead they decided to add this terrible unit. ..... The list goes on. | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary472 Posts
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Nuttawet
United States6 Posts
I have starcraft 2 heart of the swarm how to go back and play starcraft 2 wings of liberty? | ||
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Krikkitone
United States1451 Posts
On April 19 2017 23:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Others have made this point that i agree with... 2 expansions forced Blizzard to create too many units per race. This gives units such a narrow role that there is constant angst about how the unit should fit into the rest of a race's army. In turn, every tweak sparks an endless debate over whether or not a unit is stepping on the toes of another unit's defined role. That said, the game is still fun. its not a game breaking issue, but it is noticeable relative to other RTS games with fewer units per faction/race. Which is why they should have either 1. cut a Lot more units for WoL (say down to 6-7 combat units per race) OR 2. cut units for each expansion as well | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15914 Posts
I think most of the new units added something new and interesting to the game. The only redundant units we have right now are swarmhost (no role at all), tempest (extremely niche role and overlaps with carriers) and arguably the liberator (overlaps somewhat with siege tanks), other then that all the new units are clearly differenciated from the old units. | ||
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SnowfaLL
Canada730 Posts
On April 19 2017 21:53 ejozl wrote: You can't cater to the anti Protoss circle jerk. You can remove the Adept, then it's remove the Warp Gate, then when you remove the Warp Gate, it's remove the Mothership Core, then it's the Sentry and then the Dark Templar. It just goes on and on constantly and you better just try and shut it out. And this is mainly why I quit SC2.. The "foundation" of protoss hate was laid in 2010 to the "masses" from the two most mainstream players, and since then its just impossible to get respect as a protoss, even if you are Neeb level. It even happened in BW a bit with the whole stupid 1a2a3a junk, despite protoss having the lowest wins in OSL/MSL's. It's pretty frustrating. On April 19 2017 23:26 seopthi wrote: Addition, of the Adept really hasn't improved the game. If it were replaced with another unit (or Zealot buffed instead), then not only the game would be more fun to watch and play, but I think that Warp Prism would be fine, and even the slow warpin on Pylons without gateway would be unnecessary (which I think was a somewhat awkward ad hoc fix that still doesn't feel right). The problem is not fixable by tweaking numbers, the unit has a wrong design from its core and is kept on life support like Swarm Host..at least SH did go through a radical change which did help the situation somewhat. The problem with radical change of Adept is that it likely won't fix the overlap with Zealot and Stalker. Zealot/Stalker/Sentry is a perfect gateway trio design wise. It's funny you say that last sentence, cause all everyone heard at the end of WOL/all of HotS was "Sentry is the wrong unit design from its core, and it should be removed instantly - until that point the game will always be imbalanced". | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15914 Posts
On April 28 2017 04:44 SnowfaLL wrote: And this is mainly why I quit SC2.. The "foundation" of protoss hate was laid in 2010 to the "masses" from the two most mainstream players, and since then its just impossible to get respect as a protoss, even if you are Neeb level. It even happened in BW a bit with the whole stupid 1a2a3a junk, despite protoss having the lowest wins in OSL/MSL's. It's pretty frustrating. IdrA and...? | ||
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