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Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States680 Posts
December 09 2016 18:47 GMT
#101
I'm not a fan of region lock given Koreans and foreigners are much more aligned in term of skills nowadays. I don't see the point of keeping that restriction. I think it is just anti-competition. However, that is how Blizzard wants it to be. So be it.

My big complaint is the lacking of Global events. There are only two, IEM Katowice and All-Star (Global Finals doesn't count). The big part of be a fan of SC2 is to see top players, Korean and foreigners, compete in Global stage. I would prefer to have about 3 Global events.

Anyway, my feeling about today news is that it is not too rosy but not too dim either. I really hope Korean SC2 remains positive. I just don't want to see many of them give up and retire. Stay strong, guys!
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
December 09 2016 18:48 GMT
#102
On December 10 2016 03:46 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2016 03:42 Raskit wrote:
RiP Team Salmon

Good point, I sure hope they will joing the GSL casting team.

I don't think there is a demand for that many casters.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16095 Posts
December 09 2016 18:48 GMT
#103
On December 10 2016 03:42 Espartaquen wrote:
Is it a good time to start rioting or are we still gonna still lick blizzard´s ass? A lot of people have dedicated insane amounts of time for this game and in return they are getting nothing out of it. This really pisses me off.

They are investing a ton of money into a game which brings little profit. Korea gets more tournaments than the rest. Katowice is a global event.
I don't know a better reason to lick blizzard's ass
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
December 09 2016 18:48 GMT
#104
Good:
Katowice is back and it is great.

Bad:
-4 Dreamhacks make up the complete circuit?
-1 less Starleague in Korea

Neutral:
2M is slightly lower then last years money by Blizzard, but Battlechests can increase it, overall more then I expected.


But only 4 WCS Events is a joke and shows that not only Korean SC II is almost dead, but also nobody in the foreign scene wants to invest into starcraft. Even on the 2016 terms.

Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-09 18:51:18
December 09 2016 18:50 GMT
#105
I am just thankful Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong are playing in the ASL. It gives me hope for 2017.

For me, ASL is like a loaf of bread and SC2 tournaments with Koreans are like bread crumbs. If I can have the bread, that's great. If I can't, at least bread crumbs are better than nothing.
atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1711 Posts
December 09 2016 18:51 GMT
#106
On December 10 2016 03:47 Vutalisk wrote:
I'm not a fan of region lock given Koreans and foreigners are much more aligned in term of skills nowadays.!


They're not aligned in skill per se just nobody in Korea plays the game anymore
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-09 18:53:49
December 09 2016 18:52 GMT
#107
I really wonder how much money Blizzard is giving Dreamhack to keep doing SC2 events. It can't be profitable for them, especially with the prize pool at 100k now.
All in all at least the "WCS Apartheid" crowd will be quiet now that foreigners have as few tournaments to play in as Koreans
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 09 2016 18:54 GMT
#108
I'm just happy that there is SC2 to watch. WCS is a good foundation because it can encourage players to keep competing, community members to stay active, etc. Glad to see more SC2 in 2017
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Espartaquen
Profile Joined September 2015
88 Posts
December 09 2016 18:54 GMT
#109
On December 10 2016 03:46 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2016 03:42 Espartaquen wrote:
Is it a good time to start rioting or are we still gonna still lick blizzard´s ass? A lot of people have dedicated insane amounts of time for this game and in return they are getting nothing out of it. This really pisses me off.

You have a strange idea of nothing.


Sorry, maybe I get a bit carried away, but seeing people that have given up the safety of a normal job, have devoted their lives to this game, sacrificed friends, health and education ir order to become the best and in the end don´t get rewarded because of a company´s bullshit policy, it really makes me angry.

Most of these retired pros were good enough, it was not their fault that Blizzard decided to screw the WCS System and tournaments so much. In the end, they have been forced to leave, they have not done so willingly.
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
December 09 2016 18:55 GMT
#110
On December 10 2016 03:48 Clonester wrote:
Good:
Katowice is back and it is great.

Bad:
-4 Dreamhacks make up the complete circuit?
-1 less Starleague in Korea

Neutral:
2M is slightly lower then last years money by Blizzard, but Battlechests can increase it, overall more then I expected.


But only 4 WCS Events is a joke and shows that not only Korean SC II is almost dead, but also nobody in the foreign scene wants to invest into starcraft. Even on the 2016 terms.



Yeah, 4 DHs is not much of a circuit. This does not give me too much hope for an exiting 2017.

Battle chests, for what? Again it is not explained. I'm not buying this at all.
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
December 09 2016 18:55 GMT
#111
On December 10 2016 03:25 Kaizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2016 03:11 Ansibled wrote:
On December 10 2016 02:58 Charoisaur wrote:
Maybe I was a bit harsh with my initial criticism, I apologize.
I just don't really understand why it's still needed to separate koreans and foreigners but looking at this it doesn't look that bad for koreans. But at least they should make the region-lock go both ways so that foreigners can't play in korean tournaments, doesn't sound really fair like it is.

I agree that WCS Korea events shoudl have the same region lock, this has always been a weird quirk.


Besides from neeb, how many foreigners have gone to korea and won a tournament?

You cannot just go for the highest skill level and ignore the foreigner scene.


The most hyped tournaments are the Koreans vs foreigner ones. This is what most people were talking about during Kespa cup, shoutcraft, and blizzcon. People want to see NErchio, neeb, snute, scarlett etc go up against byun, inno, zest etc.
Koreans historically win because they had better infrastructure for competing. That's now gone and they are on the same level as foreigners, or even worse considering most don't have teams.

Blizzard probably can't have any global cups because DH etc don't want them. Simple as. I just hope that more korean cups pop up throughout the year (kespa or hot6ix cups would be a dream)
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
December 09 2016 18:55 GMT
#112
Sc2 is saved! Blizzard played its role for 2017. Now its our turn. We should support sc2 in any way, and financially ofc. We must show them there's still a large community behind sc. Not everything is lost.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
December 09 2016 18:59 GMT
#113
I like it.
The Bomber boy
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13326 Posts
December 09 2016 19:02 GMT
#114
On December 10 2016 03:48 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2016 03:46 Musicus wrote:
On December 10 2016 03:42 Raskit wrote:
RiP Team Salmon

Good point, I sure hope they will joing the GSL casting team.

I don't think there is a demand for that many casters.

Well, there was more casters then players at Blizzcon
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
December 09 2016 19:06 GMT
#115
I hope Blizzard contacts Take and they do a WCS Krefeld. 4 events is just not enough for the WCS Circuit, just like it was not enough in WCS Korea last year.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
KappaKingPrime
Profile Joined May 2014
United States468 Posts
December 09 2016 19:07 GMT
#116
I'll take 1 season of GSL over 2 seasons of SSL anytime. Pretty bad news for lower tier pros tho.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-09 19:16:51
December 09 2016 19:08 GMT
#117
*if the winner of the IEM Katowice event is a WCS Korea competitor, then only four players will be drawn from the WCS Korea Standings to fill out the complement of eight WCS Korea players at the WCS Global Finals.




and still more welfare region lock

sigh
T P Z sagi
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
December 09 2016 19:09 GMT
#118
On December 10 2016 04:06 Musicus wrote:
I hope Blizzard contacts Take and they do a WCS Krefeld. 4 events is just not enough for the WCS Circuit, just like it was not enough in WCS Korea last year.

Well there are 5 events if you add in Katowice. I don't know I don't think it's unreasonable for a circuit.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
December 09 2016 19:10 GMT
#119
On December 10 2016 04:06 Musicus wrote:
I hope Blizzard contacts Take and they do a WCS Krefeld. 4 events is just not enough for the WCS Circuit, just like it was not enough in WCS Korea last year.

Yeah but HSC wouldn't be as fun if it has to be PG, which I'm sure Blizzard would require for a WCS event.
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
December 09 2016 19:10 GMT
#120
On December 10 2016 04:06 Musicus wrote:
I hope Blizzard contacts Take and they do a WCS Krefeld. 4 events is just not enough for the WCS Circuit, just like it was not enough in WCS Korea last year.


Yeah, I don't get this either. They are going to get the 8 best EU players from 4 events only? 6-8 events would make much more sense.
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